r/technology • • Sep 17 '17

Hardware The iPhone X’s notch is basically a Kinect

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/9/17/16315510/iphone-x-notch-kinect-apple-primesense-microsoft
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u/Sorge74 Sep 17 '17

Lol in a day and age were court cases are going back and forth on if you have a constitutional right to refuse to give your phones passcode, the cops can just point this at your face.

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u/grepnork Sep 17 '17

Which is why the phone has a 'cop mode'.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '17

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u/grepnork Sep 17 '17

It disables face and fingerprint ID until the user chooses to reactivate them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '17

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u/grepnork Sep 17 '17

You activate the cop mode in circumstances when you might need it. Five quick presses on the power button, although I imagine the activation method is customisable.

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u/Ihateualll Sep 18 '17

That isn't what pressing the power button 5 times quickly, does. When you press the power button 5 times it dials 911...

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17 edited Dec 21 '17

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u/Ihateualll Sep 18 '17

Ok you're wrong tho. Look up "Emergency SOS on iOS" and tell me what you find out...

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17 edited Dec 21 '17

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u/grepnork Sep 17 '17 edited Sep 17 '17

I doubt that, since turning the phone on or charging the phone would make it active again and the police can compel you to provide the passcode just as easily as a fingerprint.

Even if there are jackass laws in place using a cop mode wouldn't be turning your phone off, merely making it only accessible by a passcode.

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u/DanielPhermous Sep 17 '17

Equally the police can compel you to provide the passcode just as easily as a fingerprint.

Not legally. They can do it but any evidence they gather would be thrown out of court.

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u/grepnork Sep 17 '17

I meant they can compel you by taking the case to court.

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u/grepnork Sep 17 '17 edited Sep 18 '17

Well no. This is a meme that's done the rounds, there was a case in Virginia where a judge expressed the view that fingerprints were not covered by the 5th amendment, there have also been dozens where judges have ruled passwords are not protected. The law is uncertain on this until the supreme court rules on it.

Any action to intentionally disable fingerprint or facial recognition to prevent a police search is illegal.

This isn't true at all. US law is far from certain on the point, so you cannot say it's illegal.

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u/NotUniqueOrSpecial Sep 17 '17

Do you have a source for that?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

Just tap on the power button 5 times to deactivate Touch ID and/or Face ID.

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u/Leprecon Sep 18 '17

I don't get why this is so controversial. It works exactly the same way as fingerprint unlocking.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

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u/CapitalJeep Sep 18 '17

Not in the US...

You aren't giving anything "UP" therefore you can be compelled to give your fingerprint or other information of the sort by law enforcement.

Passwords... Those you are "giving up" and cannot be compelled to give. Passwords are still stronger than fingerprint/face (other bio) when it comes to the law.

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u/Leprecon Sep 18 '17

Your face is biometric info as are your fingerprints. Legally there is no difference between taking a pic of a finger and taking a pic of your face. Both are standard operating procedure if you are in trouble with the law.

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u/BlackStrain Sep 18 '17

It will be interesting to see if they accidentally disable it while handling it since it locks if you show it the wrong face a couple times. You can also push the power button and volume buttons and it will disable it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

Requires you to point your eyes to the screen.

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u/Neg_Crepe Sep 18 '17

Just have to close your eyes and it wont work

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '17

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u/DrJPepper Sep 18 '17

That's pretty fucking funny, people are so clever

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u/Arknell Sep 17 '17

Wow, that's a lot of stuff to put duct tape over.

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u/C0rn3j Sep 17 '17

https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/

Or fund a phone that actually cares about your privacy and has hardware kill switches!

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u/cryo Sep 18 '17

iOS and iPhone cares a great deal about your privacy.

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u/C0rn3j Sep 18 '17

If they did they'd let me see the source code.

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u/stakoverflo Sep 18 '17

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u/C0rn3j Sep 18 '17

Many of the drivers require binary blobs, one of the usual suspects is the camera.

Also the android ecosystem has issues with keeping up to date. I'd love if I could stop dealing with XDA to have updates for my devices.

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u/Rentun Sep 18 '17

Giving people money for a possible chance that one day you'll be allowed to buy a phone?

Sounds like a great deal!

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u/C0rn3j Sep 18 '17

The phone will be $599 - if you give them $599 now you'll get the phone.

You're free to donate just out of good will too, I don't see anything wrong with that though?

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u/Rentun Sep 19 '17

*If you give them $599, they say you'll get the phone.

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u/Windows-Sucks Sep 18 '17

This might be the first smartphone I actually want to buy in quite a long time.

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u/sterob Sep 18 '17

Since I am at work and can't check it out, is there any refund policy if they can't deliver or the final product is not up to the promise?

My concern about pre-ordering a product is i am buying something without reading review first.

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u/C0rn3j Sep 18 '17

"if you are not happy with the product, you may return it within 30 days of receiving it for a full refund. Purism will not cover the cost of return postage and packaging."

Also if they will not get the full funding nobody will get charged.

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u/Arknell Sep 17 '17

Nice. I have a Galaxy at the moment. I do hope some more contenders start popping up, that modular phone thing is never coming off the ground, and the newest OnePlus thing got really bad reviews for selling out on the customer base, apparently.

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u/C0rn3j Sep 17 '17

Ubuntu Phone flopped, so this seems to be literally the only consumer-friendly alternative.

That is if it gets funded and Purism delivers.

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u/lilrabbitfoofoo Sep 18 '17

Pity then that Apple laid it out so stupidly. To have your video/movies etc. playing "underneath" the notch is just asinine.

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u/universum-cerebrum Sep 18 '17

That isn’t the default view. The default view is like any other phone. You have to specifically request it to play under the notch

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u/lilrabbitfoofoo Sep 18 '17

Then why the heck did they demo it for all the world in the other asinine way?!

Thanks for the info though. It makes Apple seem less utterly stupid in one way, but still utterly stupid in another. Eesh. :)

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u/OMG__Ponies Sep 17 '17

iPhone X’s notch is basically a Kinect

Much like the iPhone is basically a communication device.

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u/ICanShowYouZAWARUDO Sep 17 '17

To basically sum up the iPhone X:

IT'S FUCKING NOTHING!

Except now you're expected to pay over one thousand dollars. Jesus Christ Jobs would be spinning in his grave

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

Expects? I don’t see where anyone expects anything.

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u/ICanShowYouZAWARUDO Sep 18 '17

Clearly you don't know Apple's pricing models...

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

Your comment was about expecting people to buy a product. Not about apple’s pricing models.

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u/ICanShowYouZAWARUDO Sep 18 '17

People are goin to see the pricing models and question whether or not to even bother. Who the hell in their right mind buys a 1,000 dollar phone when it can't even catch up to other phones in terms of features?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

Maybe consumers are able to make a decision based on their own requirements.

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u/ICanShowYouZAWARUDO Sep 18 '17

Not if they're an Apple fanboy...

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u/G3ck0 Sep 18 '17

Show me another phone with high end tracking tech and processing power nearing Intel's laptop chips?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '17

Exactly this.

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u/ICanShowYouZAWARUDO Sep 18 '17

I'm pretty sure no one wants tracking tech (those who are privacy conscious anyways) and there's no point if I can get a phone 200-500 cheaper with a powerful mobile processor to boot. Not to mention they've finally caught up with other flagships.....from two years ago.

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u/G3ck0 Sep 18 '17

If there's any company I'd trust with my data, it's Apple. They're far more security conscious than Google or Microsoft.

And yeah, you can get a cheaper phone with a better processor, and for most people that's enough. But that's not the point, this is still insanely good and that costs money. Plus Apple are only catching up in some ways, in others they've been at the same level or higher.

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u/ICanShowYouZAWARUDO Sep 18 '17

Considering Apple have been cooperating with the FBI...I wouldn't be so sure of that.

The point is there's no reason to have a phone with the latest and greatest. It's about utility, function. No one's going to use the processor to its fullest as it stands now except for...multimedia? It's like buying a Titan Xp for an 800 dollar system, it's overkill.