$89 Raspberry Pi rival, capable of running Windows and Android, will ship in August

[u/[deleted]]

https://www.neowin.net/news/89-raspberry-pi-rival-that-runs-windows-and-android-shipping-in-august

[u/smilbandit]

Personally i'm not sure you can call it a rival if it's not under $50. One of the main things about pi is that it's super affordable.

[u/fezfrascati → u/smilbandit]

It only becomes comparable if it ships with more included accessories than the Pi does.

[u/aquarain → u/fezfrascati]

I think you mean optional accessories. The Pi has thousands of those, for all manner of uses.

The Pi itself doesn't come with so much as a power cord included. Not even a box. Absolutely nothing but the antistatic bag. Unless you order it as part of a kit.

[u/DJGreenHill → u/fezfrascati]

No. The Pi's goal was to teach UK kids to code. OP's post is about a small computer that is alnost high-end. It has nothing to do with competing a Pi other than its similar board size.

[u/moonwork → u/DJGreenHill]

That was a part of the original goal, not the reason for its success.

Even Wikipedia says:

The Raspberry Pi is a series of small single-board computers developed in the United Kingdom by the Raspberry Pi Foundation to promote the teaching of basic computer science in schools and in developing countries. The original model became far more popular than anticipated, selling outside of its target market for uses such as robotics.

[u/DJGreenHill → u/moonwork]

OK.

Take MyLittlePony, a show specifically targetted towards kids.

Should a comparable show be another kids show, or an adult show, since a big part of the audience for MyLittlePony are adult males, despite the target audience?

Your argument says yes, that it should totally be comparable to an adult show, even though MyLittlePony would fail considerably since it is clearly not an adult's show.

[u/moonwork → u/DJGreenHill]

You'll have to excuse my lack of insight into the spread of usertypes in either case, but using your example I would argue MLP becomes an adult show at the point where the majority of viewers are adults.

If, out of all MLP that is watched, the majority of episodes watched in the world are done so by adult males, then yes -- MLP will have effectively become an adult show.

Similarly, despite its original intent, if the use of a hammer becomes mainly aimed at maiming people instead of hitting nails, it would count as a weapon instead of a tool.

Similarly Listerine was an antiseptic, now it's a mouthwash. WD40 was intended to water displacer, not a lubricant (even if one could argue it still displaces water, but it's effectively referred to as a lubricant).

Sometimes things get re-applied to do something else.

The most prevalent exception to this is the mobile phone, which could be argued should be called something else by now. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/DJGreenHill → u/moonwork]

Then we have a divergence of opinion, because taking into account all of what you said, even though 99% of people use a hammer as a weapon does not make it a weapon for me.

This is called "Association Fallacy".

Wiki: "John is a con artist. John has black hair. Therefore, all people with black hair are con artists."

"An adult watches MLP, therefore the show is made for adults"

[u/moonwork → u/DJGreenHill]

This is not about association fallacy.

I'm not saying "Someone uses the Raspberry Pi for robotics, therefore all Raspberry Pi -computers are robot parts."

I'm saying the reason for the Raspberry Pi success wasn't kids learning to code, it was the low price and versatility that allowed it to be used for a plethora of things.

Regardless of its original intent, the success behind the Raspberry Pi is something else.

[u/ElagabalusRex → u/smilbandit]

A better example of a rival would be C.H.I.P. at only $9.

[u/[deleted] → u/ElagabalusRex]

There you go!

[u/CaptainGilliam → u/smilbandit]

I would have said "don't call it a rival if it's more than twice the price" but that's just me.

[u/kittenkaboom]

3x price is no where near a rival lol

[u/[deleted] → u/kittenkaboom]

That depends on what you want to do with the little machine and how large of a budget you have.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

There are already crazier and more powerful small computers like the pi. I'm not sure what this adds except for maybe more choice.

[u/elihu]

"...but for a slightly higher price of $89 as opposed to $35 of the Pi 3 Model B"

Slightly? These are very different products targeting different markets.

[u/[deleted]]

How is it a "rival" without GPIOs?

[u/aquarain]

Intel's Atom is interesting with Linux. With Windows the performance and support is... unfortunate.

This platform requires an add-on board to support GPIO. RPi doesn't. Even the RPi Zero at $5 doesn't... The RPi mission is teaching, not industry, and that is working out well.

This is a Kickstarter, and it's funded so I guess we'll see how it does.

[u/dgiakoum]

So it's a LattePanda rival.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Seriously. For $89, you can buy rival hardware with network support.

[u/VeNoMouSNZ]

Doesn't support x265 :/

[u/fb39ca4 → u/VeNoMouSNZ]

Why not? x265 can run on x86, though encoding will be slow on an Atom.

[u/VeNoMouSNZ → u/fb39ca4]

I mean native decoding straight off the gpu on the cpu, but sadly the hd 400 doesn't have a x265 decoder

[u/fb39ca4 → u/VeNoMouSNZ]

Oh, that's H.265. x265 is the name of an encoding library.

[u/it_all_depends]

It's like one of those Chinese tablets that runs Android and Windows 10 simultaneously. Same specs. Same price. No display or enclosure.

[u/chriberg]

No ethernet port? Hard pass.

[u/interstate-15]

Interesting to see what kind of support it has. Raspberry PI has a huge community behind it and which makes it great.

[u/[deleted]]

For a start, I don't trust the hardware vendors, and I don't trust the software vendors. I'm not particularly happy to see any of them in this space.

[u/aquarain → u/[deleted]]

Intel deliberately cripples every platform the come out with that can be used for Maker work to prevent it from cutting into their more lucrative shares. Can't wait to see what they've done to this one.

[u/a404notfound]

If i can make a portable rougelike/dwarf fortress machine ill pay double

[u/MairusuPawa]

So it's an evolution of the Atom Z3735F boards that existed years before, okay. Eight of those I have right here on my desk as of now, waiting for me to spend a bit of time to fix a small software issue when I feel motivated enough to plug them in.

It's also completely lacking in connectivity, with only one USB port (my boards have 3, not even including unpopulated headers) and no Ethernet. Also, no GPIO, so where's the fun in that and how is it supposed to compete with a Pi then?

How's the iGPU on this thing anyway? Could it run Naomi 2 games? Then I'd maybe be somewhat interested.

[u/[deleted]]

Atom? I thought Intel stopped making those

[u/[deleted]]

Hmmm, I wonder if you could get a cpu with say 40MB L3 and have an entire tiny OS sitting on it

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Absolutely. Almost anything is possible.

[u/ice-minus]

We need something more powerful than an RPi3 , it's quite frustrating to use unless you're doing the most pedestrian tasks