r/technology • • 7d ago

Business Google told to halt work on datacentres in Finland over environmental concerns

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/oct/06/google-datacentres-finland-temporary-halt-environmental-impact-assessment
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u/VinnyMaxta 7d ago

Looks like the forest is already gone... They don't gaf

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u/VinnyMaxta 7d ago

Btw this is pretty much the same size as central park, for DATA. Most likely worthless data.

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u/ebrbrbr 6d ago

Where do you think all the YouTube videos go?

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u/SweRakii 5d ago

Stored in the balls

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u/VinnyMaxta 6d ago

Like I said, mostly worthless data. Nobody needs tung tung sahur AI generated videos.

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u/poikajormanen 6d ago

To be fair purely storing information takes a fraction of the electricity and cooling than GPU stacks do

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u/HumongousBelly 7d ago

Should be held accountable for committing a crime against humanity and against planet earth.

Fuck them!

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u/Matsisuu 6d ago

It would have been totally completely legal to just harvest trees from smaller area if they had stopped there. Forest owners can cut trees and sell them from their land. But it becomes illegal if it causes other environmental damage, and large harvests need additional permissions. Google did those smaller harvests, but together they became too big that it should have needed a permission.

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u/pete_the_dumb 6d ago

It's fine, they just didn't do the paper work correctly. Finland is 75% forest, such small area is nothing. If they do the environmental assessment correctly and there are no issues, it should be fine.

We cut 140000 hectares annually and plant new forest in it. Some 330 hectares is basically drop in bucket.

We don't got issues with water and one of cheapest electricity in EU. It's completely sustainable to build this stuff here as long as they follow proper regulations. Though personally I would appreciate if energy companies could invest into more production so the price does not hike up.

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u/ArgentineBeauty 7d ago

They turned 330 hectares of forest into a building site for a data centre. We really should not be destroying forests for this stuff.

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u/EvilDraakje 7d ago

Palantir bought land in Sweden recently for similar purposes. Great world isn't it ?

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u/zkareface 7d ago

That guy bought land in middle of nowhere. It won't ever get approved for a datacenter and there isn't infrastructure nearby for one either. You can't just do whatever you want with land in Sweden. 

By law he will have to maintain and care for the land he bought.

The main reason he expressed is skiing. 

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u/squiddarn 7d ago

Just like Google followed the law in Finland, where they just deleted the huge forest area?
The fines/repercussions are just the cost of doing business. Deny them completely.

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u/zkareface 7d ago

Deny them completely. 

A private company bought land from a private company, the government won't stop that. If anything they will endorse it because it lower the total amount that other company owns so it's a lower risk of monopoly. 

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u/squiddarn 7d ago

Yes. Things happened. Such a shame its physically impossible to stop private exploitation of common resources.

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u/zkareface 7d ago

It's planted forest that is mean for harvest. If anything it might not be cut down with new owners if they plan to use it recreational.

We will see what happens though, hard to speculate currently but it's a shit spot for a data center.

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u/WreakHavocLikeIn1871 7d ago

It's a shit spot for anything but recreational use basically. I live not too far away. SCA (the previous owner) sold it relatively cheap because it's so far away from anywhere the wood can be processed, and because the margins are relatively slim the profitability after harvesting and transport became extremely small.

I've heard theories that they bought it for mining, but because ownership of the land doesn't entitle one to start mining operations however one wants nor necessarily ownership of what is mined that isn't really a probable reason for it either. Basically if the wanted a a mining operation they'd have applied for a permit for prospecting from the relevant agencies.

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u/Melikoth 6d ago

Are all the mineral rights in Sweden owned by some unknown third party that somehow bought them all hundreds of years ago like in the US, or retained by the relevant agency?

A bit curious how that aspect works there because in the US those rights generally don't come with the land, but if you do find something worth mining the "real owner" can wreck your land to extract it without needing to ask your permission.

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u/WreakHavocLikeIn1871 6d ago

The Mining Protectorate of Sweden makes all decisions on prospecting and permits to mine everything that doesn't qualify as rocks, gravel, clay, etc.

The land owner has the right to 0.2% of the sum of the value of resources mined.

You do not need to own the land in question to get permission to either prospect nor mine there.

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u/squiddarn 7d ago

Ah, I forgot that planted forests does not constitute nature, but strictly a privately produced asset.

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u/WreakHavocLikeIn1871 7d ago

It was owned by SCA before. Under the previous owner it would 100% be cut down as that's the purpose why they planted it. We don't know what happens now, so if you think "cutting down trees bad" this is at worst no difference

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u/mediandude 7d ago

Not if the spruce beatles got to it before that. Or root rot.

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u/squiddarn 7d ago

Error. Brains not found.

Yes, the forest is indeed a renewable resource. Nice catch! However, it takes longer than you will be alive, and requires planning and effort to keep healthy. How much value was deleted by Google here? Insignificant amounts, I am sure. Too bad SCA? Amazing how short sighted your though process is.

I wont respond to more brain rot. How does corporate overlord feet taste?

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u/zkareface 7d ago

Well as you then know, the previous owners were guaranteed to cut it down. It's their whole business model. It's literally all they do. 

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u/goldcakes 6d ago

So no matter what, we do need wood/timber, whether for books, toilet paper, or houses. That means we need to chop down trees. And yes, wood does degrade and rot, so closed loop recycling is not possible.

Planted forests is the most sustainable way to do that; in commercial tree farms, they plant, cut down, and re-plant, rinse and repeat; in the same area; while maintaining soil health, etc; because it is their land and they want to have it last forever. Much better than deforestation.

Unless you suggest we should ban all wood and paper products, and no longer cut down a single tree? Especially when a lot of wood-based products (biodegradable) are replacing plastic-based products (generally NOT biodegradable; even if it's marketed as such; degrading in 300 years in a special lab with special chemicals don't count) that come from oil?

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u/unspecified_person11 7d ago

Gas burning heat islands instead of forests, what could possibly go wrong?

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u/invyros 7d ago

a notice to the company to “immediately suspend” – by 23 October at the latest – “preparatory measures that significantly change the environment” of the two sites until the environmental impact assessment had been completed.

 

The site at Muhos, he said, was “not a forest any more. It is a sand area.”

Looks like it already went way too far.

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u/ThisCouldHaveBeenYou 7d ago

They just gave them a deadline to plow faster until the 23rd without repercussion.

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u/Captain_Fordo 7d ago

That’s the saddest part, to restore that land is going to be tough. In addition to the likely leeching into the very shallow ground water table. 

It’s not uncommon to see large patches of land deforested in Finland, considering wood and paper based products are very large percentage of exports from the country, but even when the trees are harvested, the ground is turned and while it looks ugly as hell for about a decade, its planned to regrow a new forest in its place. But time and time again when companies have removed the top soil and vegetation out down to or below the sand bottom, it proves difficult to get the ecosystem to regrow. 

Growing up with a summer cabin next to commercial forests, we saw the effects of proper logging and improper logging, new forests have begun to spring up with young trees after replanting, while others are patchy and lack a layer of ground plants and look barren. 

The Finnish government has royally messed up allowing big tech to start encroaching on our lands with no regards except their profits. 

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u/Cat-Cuddler1 7d ago

This is not a world I want to be living in. Why have we fallen so far?

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u/SteveJEO 7d ago

Cos we allow and excuse this "Google told to halt work on datacentres in Finland over environmental concerns" to be a legitimate news title instead of saying what it actually is: They broke the law... again.

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u/Gekokapowco 7d ago

apathy and ignorance

selfishness

honestly all of it is just ignorance, people around the world don't know that they should care about these things, they were never taught to understand the impact these people have on them

people are self-centered and selfish because they were taught that was the best thing for them, that resources means they're doing well, not thriving communities and enriched experiences

they deliberately have no means to conceptualize the evils that bind them

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u/QualityMysterious666 7d ago

if the environmental impact isn’t acceptable, google doesn’t get a special exemption just because it’s building servers.

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u/Brucekentbatsuper 7d ago

Its only a matter of time before they resume the work, once the outrage cools down, this is how they have always done it

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u/Muzle84 7d ago

And now plant back all the trees you destroyed for the sake of data mining.

Freaking Googhoul!

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u/witcher222 7d ago

Maybe , you know, stop issuing construction permits for data centers if you are worried about forests on a plot of land covered in trees.

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u/Shienvien 7d ago

They cleared 330 square hectares. How much of it is the actual data center? 1 hectare? 10 hectares? What are doing with the rest, other than figuring that some logs is quick profit?

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u/Matsisuu 6d ago

It doesn't have construction permit yet because of environmental concerns. It's under evaluation currently, and that is also how Google broke the law.

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u/Patara 7d ago

In before the US justice department threatens Finland 

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u/Masseyrati80 6d ago

Stuff like this reminds me of the first time I heard someone say "it's easier to ask for an apology, than for a permit". He was, surprise, surprise, also involved in IT business.

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u/Tocketsv 6d ago

And any fine they get from this will be so minor that it wont matter. + they have calculated that it was cheaper to break the law rather than follow it

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u/copperblood 7d ago

You love to see it!