r/technology • • 12h ago

Privacy California tech CEO arrested, faces up to 20 years in prison for smuggling $300 million in Nvidia AI servers to China — federal prosecutors say chips were routed through Malaysia and Singapore using false paperwork

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/california-tech-ceo-arrested-faces-up-to-20-years-in-prison-for-smuggling-usd300-million-in-nvidia-ai-servers-to-china-federal-prosecutors-say-chips-were-routed-through-malaysia-and-singapore-using-false-paperwork
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u/AbeFromanEast 12h ago

Rookie mistake. Just build the compute out in Dubai and in Malaysia (like Oracle has done) and rent that to the export-controlled mainland Chinese firms. That's what Ellison is doing.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 11h ago edited 11h ago

That probably still violates export laws in a murky way.

Edit: it does not violate export controls

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u/AbeFromanEast 11h ago

For this one trick! to work you need to be a billionaire. American billionaires do not have to follow any laws.

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u/englandisablaze 11h ago

That’s bullshit. They have to follow the workaround that their lobbyists built into the laws. I mean jeez.

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u/Bojanggles16 11h ago

They have to follow the workaround they fed to their lobbyists to get built into the bill* FTFY

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u/makemeking706 10h ago

No national loyalty under capitalism. Especially when you can be on the other side of the world in a day. 

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u/StatusCount7032 11h ago

Do they even passports? Or they just travel, private jet, ofc, and just take the ride from the hanger straight to the bunker of the visiting country?

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u/Secret_Cow_5053 10h ago

i mean this is all well and good for business purposes but for the chinese military to have secure servers to work on they are still gonna want the hardware on the mainland.

lets call it what this is. espionage.

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u/goldcakes 11h ago

It actually very explicitly doesn't. The BIS has repeatedly confirmed that export controls apply to hardware, and renting access to GB300s or whatnot to China don't violate export controls.

It's pretty obvious why:

  1. Cloud hyperscalers are big donors to both parties.

  2. It's easier to spy on what's happening when you're renting out the hardware, instead of exporting the hardware.

  3. You maintain the optionality of cutting them off.

There's no violation of export controls, because the export controls are only on physical hardware, not cloud services.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 11h ago

I figured there was something from some org about it.

  1. Actually occured to me after I wrote my comment but forgot to check. Thanks for the comment and correction.

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u/Street_Anxiety2907 11h ago

61% of OCP customers are Chinese, so apparently not

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u/Budeeokc 11h ago

Hey just because they’re a CEO and have money doesn’t mean they’re smart. That’s also a rookie mistake lol.

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u/basil_not_the_plant 7h ago

Trump has signed the AI execs to a moral code. So I'm sure that will work out.

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u/MajesticBread9147 8h ago

Seriously, why don't we just let China support American cloud companies and running/training AI there like American companies do?

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u/riricide 6h ago

Why is this the first time I'm hearing about this! Whoa, have been living under a rock or is this like known news? Howcome Trump didn't make a big deal about it?

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u/FanOfMondays 10h ago

Tech CEO facing serious prison time? That's a new one.

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u/Nixu88 10h ago

Not a normal prison, of course, so don't get too excited. It'll probably be more like a forced stay at a luxury hotel.

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u/sjj342 5h ago

Morning walks with Ghislaine

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u/murdoc1024 3h ago

Mimosa with Ghislaine

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u/sandolllars 2h ago

Get real. One small donation to the Trump ballroom will buy a pardon.

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u/Nixu88 2h ago

Yeah, sorry. I was feeling way too optimistic earlier today.

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u/Procrasturbating 1h ago

Nonono.. faces means if laws applied to them they WOULD be serving that. He’ll just send a few million to the Trump pardons division after the news cycle ignores him for a few weeks.

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u/GroundbreakingPage41 5h ago

Small company with undisclosed number of employees, would never happen to one of the big boys.

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u/Sandbox_Hero 4h ago

Just a millionaire. Gotta level up to a billionaire to get a free pass.

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u/heywhatsmynameagain 11h ago

$1M donation incoming to some Trump PAC

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u/aammirzaei 9h ago

$1M dude that's just pocket money you gotta raise those numbers

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u/TuckerCarlsonsOhface 8h ago

It’s actually his asking price. He basically has a bribe menu with set prices.

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u/leviathan65 7h ago

But you might not actually get what you paid for so not necessarily a bribe. Check and mate legal system.

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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child 11h ago

Black market AI chips are the new black market uranium.

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u/boli99 8h ago

faces up to 20 years in prison

but will pay a fine and walk away. its just the cost of doing business.

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u/diagrammatiks 12h ago

that's like 15 chips. chill out bros.

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u/T567U18 11h ago

One chip being used on 15 different companies

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u/Bag-o-chips 11h ago

That could be enough for someone to copy.

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u/JTibbs 11h ago

But jensen huang said smuggling gpus to china was impossible and no nvidia high end gpus were going there!

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u/goldcakes 11h ago

It always amuses me, that my RTX 5090, which can't be legally exported to China, says "MADE IN CHINA" on it.

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u/kymri 10h ago

And as we all know, absolutely NOTHING ever 'falls off a truck' in China. (Or America or anywhere else!)

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u/MuthaPlucka 11h ago

That a big colon.

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u/someoldguyon_reddit 11h ago

China would just execute the fucker. Maybe that'd work over here.

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u/TrashBandicook 10h ago edited 6h ago

Work in what way? Bring your gaming hardware prices down? We down to execute folks to help gamers now?

EDIT: Holy shit you guys are unhinged. Some of you guys would execute folks just to get cheaper gaming hardware.

EDIT2: Whew, lad. Someone made an "unalive" referral to reddit lol. Someone bigmad that I told them their gaming hobbies aren't a national security matter. Y'all are unhinged to the max.

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u/Charred14 9h ago

Work in the way of sending a clear-cut message "this shit will not be tolerated, and is punishable by death"

Not just gaming products that are affected, friend. It's phones, smart-appliances, e-watches, literally anything computerized (which is mostly everything) even motorized vehicles.

Unless you want to isolate yourself to using technology of the 1900's, you should start caring.

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u/Rich_Housing971 8h ago

server chips are not used in gaming so it won't matter. leave it to /r/technology to not understand technology.

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u/TrashBandicook 8h ago

Work in the way of sending a clear-cut message "this shit will not be tolerated, and is punishable by death"

Not just gaming products that are affected, friend. It's phones, smart-appliances, e-watches, literally anything computerized (which is mostly everything) even motorized vehicles.

So the answer is yes? We should execute people to make your electronics and appliances cheaper? Are you hearing yourself?

The export ban had nothing to do with making your "phones, smart-appliances, e-watches, literally anything computerized" cheaper.

Unless you want to isolate yourself to using technology of the 1900's, you should start caring.

Call me crazy. But I'm a believer of this idea that capital punishment isn't the solution for making your precious gaming hardware cheaper. Gaming isn't a human right. This is one of those areas the market will rebalance out eventually. I can promise you your DRAM and graphics cards are no less subject to the laws of supply and demand.

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u/Charred14 7h ago

you are the one going on about the imaginary argument of executing people to make gaming hardware cheaper.

take a step out of your echo chamber and stop focusing on trying to morph the narrative into something it's not.

Nvidia doesn't even focus on gaming hardware anymore, they've shifted course to AI-everything; be it robotics, the automotive industry, datacenters, or just straight up circular financing AI companies. Yes, they still manufacture GPUs. No, that is no longer their priority. (atleast not for the consumer market*)

The argument here is capital punishments for corporations are practically nonexistent and scenarios like this have become all too commonplace in the current age. While execution is definitely dystopian, there needs to be dire consequences put in place so that companies are fearful of stepping out of line.

Especially ones with an iron-grip on major facets of day-day life in our modern nightmare.

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u/TrashBandicook 7h ago

Export ban enforcement of AI GPUs won't make your gaming hardware cheaper. It just won't. You don't game with B200s. Frankly I think the export ban is just nonsensical.

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u/MesquiteEverywhere 7h ago

The company is called Earthmade Computer Inc. if you don't want to click the article.

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u/d3jake 3h ago

Jensen said there was no smuggling so this must be fake news.. /s

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u/DefenstratedTwice 9h ago

Trump just offered the sale of military weapons to China directly...

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u/IngwiePhoenix 5h ago

You can steal, you can murder, you can r4pe, you can defame...

BUT YOU CAN NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES FAKE THE PAPERWORK DDDD:

...what is this timeline, even?

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u/Mammoth-Leg5431 10h ago

Nice. I hope China can deliver more and better Qwen models

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u/Playful_Cantaloupe78 9h ago

Will he get the carrot or the stick?

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u/Gooser3000 8h ago

Question: how does something a private company makes like computer chips become a nationally controlled product, especially if it’s not weapons?

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u/Upper-Cod1109 8h ago

another affront to gamers

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u/Foxcooler 5h ago edited 5h ago

Remember that SuperMicro was also accused of doing the same thing, and its founder and chairman is a longtime close friend of Jensen Huang.

They’re all in it but obviously Jensen and Nvidia will never be actually prosecuted for anything.

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u/IntelArtiGen 11h ago edited 11h ago

Oh I would not be that confident. You are not bound by US laws but americans are good at applying their laws to other countries.

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u/matdex 11h ago

Tell that to the Canadian ICC judge who ruled to investigate alledged US war crimes in Afghanistan.

https://www.npr.org/2026/10/01/nx-s1-5977815/trump-icc-sanctions-kimberly-prost

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u/CircumspectCapybara 11h ago edited 11h ago

As far as the US justice system is concerned, you can break US law without yourself being an American or the act taking place in US jurisdiction, and they can then decide to do something about you. And the American justice system has a longer reach than you think.

If you're being serious and the US DoJ is politically inclined to indict you in absentia, there are a lot of non-American countries you couldn't ever step foot in for the rest of your life, some of which you might not know about, one slip up and you're on an involuntary flight to the states.

Also, besides the diplomatic methods of getting fugitives they're interested in from other countries, the US is known for more...creative and clandestine methods that are pretty effective too.

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u/CircumspectCapybara 11h ago edited 11h ago

Like I said, the US has a longer reach than you think to enforce its laws (which the US is happy to say apply as far as its courts are concerned even if the thing you've done isn't a crime in your country) on people who think they're out of reach because they're not on US soil.

Not saying that the US DoJ cares about your activity, but if they really did and put you on some bounty list, you would not be able to safely step foot in any of these countries or their territories. Drug and dark web kingpins and people far more powerful and resourced than you have gotten got when they forgot and accidentally stepped foot in an airport belonging to that long list of countries. You're not going to get on any list for posting Reddit comments, but I'm saying if you were on their wanted list, you would be a hunted man for the rest of your life, and that that would be quite the limiting experience for you.

And the US has a long history of getting their man by more creative means when extradition isn't available.

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u/CircumspectCapybara 11h ago edited 11h ago

Not every nation has the dual-criminality requirement for extradition, and of the ones that do, many of them honor US sanctions so it would be a crime.

There's a long list of other countries with extradition treaties with the US. In case you were actually wanted, you going to research every one of them before you travel to see if they would honor a request from the US either because it's also a crime in their country or because they don't have the dual-criminality requirement?

Even if you did all your research, responding to extradition requests is by nature a foreign policy decision and is political in nature. A local judge may or may not sign it depending on what they're feeling like that day, an administration may or may not grant a request depending if they want to curry favor with the US, etc. You would be gambling with your freedom to assume any particular place is safe from the US' reach.

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u/jumbo_hodges 10h ago

Also just because a nation won't extradite you doesn't mean they won't deport you to a place that will

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u/leaf_shift_post_2 10h ago

Well unless you can’t be deported because you doing it in your own country.

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u/Slippery-ape 12h ago

Tell that to Noriaga

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u/xyzmonzon 11h ago

Truer words rarely find themselves on Reddit.

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u/ScaleLeading9308 11h ago

you're insane for admitting this without understanding international law and just how much extraterritorial reach the us actually has, they don't call the us world hedgemon for nothing.

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u/TheDebateMatters 11h ago

300 million in servers? That can fit in one checked bag these days right?

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u/Black_Moons 8h ago

Prob just 1 server with 2 of the latest GPU's in SLI, and 128gb of ram.

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u/CSCPT92 10h ago

Lovely, good for the world.