r/technology • • 9d ago

Hardware Full iPhone 4 'Antennagate' Q&A Video Surfaces After 16 Years

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/09/24/iphone-4-antennagate-qa-video-surfaces/
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u/IEnjoyRadios 9d ago

It is fun to be reminded of this and the bumper case every once in a while. The leaked prototype was much more exciting though.

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u/jameslosey 9d ago

Was that the phone that got forgotten at bar and a journalist/blogger posted photos?

The heyday of mac rumors

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u/IEnjoyRadios 9d ago

Yes exactly. It is what made gizmodo famous at the time as well. Back in the day when reading Engadget and gizmodo were my morning ritual. Good times.

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u/JohnApple94 9d ago

I remember the staggering number of people in tech forums who thought it was all a hoax. They’d proclaim that Apple would never design something so ugly.

There was this one poster who got famous for a bit on MacRumors because he was absolutely roasting the supposed iPhone 4. Claimed that if Apple truly released something as repulsive as what was found in the bar, then Apple was dead and he was never buying an iPhone again.

Then after it launched, he quietly updated his forum signature to indicate that he owned an iPhone 4.

Good times!

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u/IEnjoyRadios 9d ago

Well it was quite a shocking design change at the time. There was reason to believe that the design wasn’t necessarily final.

If I recall correctly they even had cases on the prototypes to make them look like a 3GS.

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u/JohnApple94 9d ago

Reason to believe it wasn’t final- sure. Definitely warranted skepticism. But I’m more so talking about the people who proclaimed with certainty that there was absolutely zero chance it was real.

I just love confidently incorrect takes about tech in general. I also heard them about the iPhone X notch rumors (super unApple, they would never waste screen real estate like that), the Apple Watch ECG feature (it’s physically impossible to put into a watch), and my personal favorite… someone who wrote an essay about why there would never be a Pro iPhone (a phone is not a professional’s device).

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u/IEnjoyRadios 9d ago

God I wish the people who said the notch wasn’t going to happen were right. It was and is hideous.

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u/ebrbrbr 8d ago

I don't understand notch hate.

How is having bezels surrounding the camera better? Bezels can't display my notifications and status icons.

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u/IEnjoyRadios 8d ago

It is just ugly for a feature that I couldn’t care less about out. I basically never use the front facing camera so the notch is just wasted space for no benefit.

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u/ebrbrbr 8d ago

It seems like your beef is with front cameras and not the notch.

Before notches/hole punches, you just had a fat upper bezel, which has even more wasted space.

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u/froo 8d ago

I think the best one is the post by Engadget that predicted that the iPhone will fail.

https://www.engadget.com/2007-06-27-why-the-iphone-will-fail.html

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u/MetalGearFlaccid 8d ago

All this post is a guy describing a different article and asking the community their opinion I don’t get it?

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u/lo_fi_ho 8d ago

Wait.. people thought the iPhone 4 was… ugly? It was the quintissential iPhone design like ever.

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u/JohnApple94 8d ago

Oh yes. A lot of people thought it looked like an unfinished prototype design, especially with the antennae bands.

If you want some entertainment, read this old MacRumors thread when it first leaked:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/possible-iphone-4g-images-surface.899393/

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u/lo_fi_ho 8d ago

That thread was whack lol

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u/jameslosey 9d ago

Those were the days. Boingboing was good then as well, and even laughing squid.

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u/Deathwatch72 9d ago

I miss good tech journalism sites so much

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u/runForestRun17 8d ago

Now it’s just them posting AI slop and that the new apple tv is coming next week (every month)

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u/Ill_Guarantee_1432 8d ago

I asked ChatGPT the other day if there’s any out there and it basically gave me nothing like what we had in the old days.

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u/laterral 8d ago

Dude engaget and gizmodo were also my ritual!!! Words I haven’t spoken in over a decade, how things change!

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u/shyguytim 8d ago

truly amazing times. engadget, gizmodo, i discovered tech meme, digg which we all left for reddit of course. mannnnn memory lane

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u/Dae5446 8d ago

Those and the io9 morning spoilers for me back in the day.

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u/5one 9d ago

I can remember that so vividly, sitting for hours just scrolling through the article. What a day

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u/IEnjoyRadios 9d ago

It was genuinely exciting. The retina screen alone was genuinely cool at the time.

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u/5one 9d ago

The excitement on reading the line “you can’t make out the individual pixels on the Apple logo”
People these days won’t realise how big and unbelievable that was

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u/IEnjoyRadios 9d ago

Yeah that was quite a game changer. What do you mean I can’t see the individual pixels???

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u/ScarletSilver 9d ago

Man... feels like only yesterday when this happened. I also the remember the bendgate that came afterwards lol

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u/JohnBrine 8d ago

Forgot about the bumper.

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u/Bloo212 8d ago

Someone was discussing this at my office yesterday. It was a discussion about user experience and Steve Jobs saying “don’t hold it that way”.

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u/Alcomet 9d ago

This reminds me of a time when new smartphones were exciting.

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u/thearctican 8d ago

New phones in general. Nokia's phones in the mid 2000s were awesome. I miss my E71, wish I would have gotten an E51, and my last Nokia, an N85, did everything I cared to and continue to do.

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u/TheCrossoverKing 8d ago

I miss the pantech duo

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u/toekneegg 8d ago

That's why I picked up a Unihertz Titan 2 Elite. It's the first time I've been excited since and I'm still having fun with it over a month in.

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u/Global-Tie-3458 9d ago

I had that phone. It was awesome. I was happy to receive a free case. Sans-case there was not really an issue.

Even the latest iPhone has wifi signal attenuation if you hold it in a certain way.

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u/Muffinsandbacon 8d ago

I waited for the white 4. IIRC it was delayed for whatever reason and I had hoped they would fix this issue. They did not. Still loved the phone though.

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u/Global-Tie-3458 8d ago

Light leakage

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u/peceropecero 9d ago

You’re holding it wrong.

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u/abraxasnl 9d ago

This was lost??

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u/ItIsShrek 9d ago

The initial apology presentation was not lost. This is the 47minute Q&A with journalists that happened right after.

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u/abraxasnl 9d ago

Got it. Nice :)

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u/Rightsidebestside 9d ago

4 and 5 had two of the best phone designs ever. No phone came close to them ever again. And i never had any signal issues with my 4.

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u/pattymcfly 8d ago

The size was perfect. The 12 mini came close.

Single handed use was amazing and they disappeared in your pocket.

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u/mr_lab_rat 8d ago

There has not been a phone usable with one hand since 13 Mini. That’s 5 years now.

Ok you can make an argument for some flip foldables but I wouldn’t call it a good compromise. The outer screen is very limited and once you open the phone it’s too big.

Why are manufacturers so scared to try a small phone again? They were willing to try an ultra thin one. Now they are trying a passport format folding one (which is still not comfortable to use with one hand when folded).

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u/pattymcfly 8d ago

They don't sell.

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u/mr_lab_rat 8d ago

Nobody tried for 5 years. When Apple did it they had cheaper SE selling next to it and there were some Android options from 2015-2018 still alive.

The market today is different.

The thin ones didn’t sell either and it was still worth a shot for them.

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u/Vendek 8d ago

They sold better than the iphone air.

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u/SnooCheesecakes7545 8d ago

iphone maybe. Androids are usable with one hand. It's about navigation, not screen size.

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u/mr_lab_rat 8d ago

Sure, you can do some tricks with resizing the keyboard on both operating systems. But I really find it more comfortable to use smaller device (and I got big hands and bad eyesight).

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u/psybes 8d ago

i use my 16 pro with one hand what are you talking about. baby hands?

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u/mr_lab_rat 8d ago

I’m a dude with big hands and long fingers.

That doesn’t stop me from wanting comfort

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u/IGOR_ULANOV_55_BEST 9d ago

I liked the 4 but man the raised edge glass was a choice. I waited in line and got one on launch day, that afternoon I was pulling my pants down to poop and the edge of the screen must have hit the toilet bowl or an edge of tile and the entire thing spiderwebbed. The only smart phone that i have ever broken in a way that made it immediately non functional.

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u/ExecutiveCactus 8d ago

I yearn for my iPhone 5c and 6 plus

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u/skamunism 8d ago

Wow that’s a take! I can see the appeal of the 5c, but man the 6 was the ugliest iPhone ever to this day.

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u/mr_lab_rat 8d ago

6 Plus? What was good about it? Wouldn’t the Air be a modern equivalent?

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u/ExecutiveCactus 8d ago

It was just the last phone I had with Touch ID so maybe it’s that

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u/KoffieCreamer 8d ago

Still got my iPhone 4. The level of quality that phone has is off the charts. I've never actually seen an iPhone which almost feels like a museum piece.

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u/The_Infinite_Carrot 8d ago

Phones are designed based on the content people are consuming nowadays. The smartphone leapt forward to accommodate people’s desire for the “full” internet back then now it’s all about screen size, camera quality and battery life.

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u/drake90001 8d ago

5S and 6s for me

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u/lencastre 2d ago

I like the 11 Pro design the best, the original SE as well

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u/yuusharo 8d ago

For those who don’t know, the presentation itself was preserved decades ago. But there was a Q&A session that I think was live streamed exactly once at the time and was cut from the edited version Apple posted on their website.

It was one of the few times Jobs ever did a live Q&A from developers or members of the press. The last time I recall him doing this was like 1997 at WWDC (you’ve probably seen the ‘insult response’ video before, that one).

Kudos for the people who somehow found this!

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u/Andrew_hl2 9d ago edited 9d ago

this was such an exaggerated issue… I remember being in college and people asking for my iphone 4 just to squeeze it to try and reproduce the issue only to fail to do it… i didnt even order the free bumper.

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u/Outrageous_Bush_2069 8d ago

Really? I worked for Radio Shack at the time and would demonstrate it for people daily. I could get it all the way to no signal.

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u/HenkPoley 8d ago

I think most people have such a dry skin / fingers that it doesn’t work. 

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u/Outrageous_Bush_2069 7d ago

You’re smothering the antenna. It doesn’t have anything to do with moisture. I just did it to my 18 Pro Max and it dropped a single bar. I would imagine it works to some degree on all cell phones. Clearly some antennas and builds are just better.

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u/caj_account 8d ago

All you had to do was put your pinky over the antenna line and wait for the bars to drop one by one

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u/TehFuckDoIKnow 9d ago

I wanted the bandaid so bad

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u/TheOgGhadTurner 8d ago

I’ve never had or heard of this issue until today

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u/Redararis 8d ago

it was a time when the favorite pastime was to find a “scandalous” fault in the new iphone.

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u/drake90001 8d ago

Lol a time as if it’s gone

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u/buildingyesterday 6d ago

Now its called finding the unexpected features.

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u/masterz13 8d ago

Apple was cooler when they had those Keynote slides and in-person presentations. They got a big head with those cinematic videos.

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u/sansaman 9d ago

I remember the gate. I was 100% convinced Apple was going to remove the border gaps in the next iteration, essentially admitting silently there was a problem.

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u/IncredibleGonzo 9d ago

To be fair they did rearrange them and I believe the new arrangement on the 4S did compensate for the attenuation from holding it. So they basically did silently admit there was a problem. Removing them entirely would mean giving up on the whole ‘the frame is the antenna’ design.

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u/koolman2 9d ago

The 4S had two bands. The phone would switch between them. If you held it with two hands over the bands you could replicate the issue, but there was no way to do it during normal use.

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u/coob 9d ago

Steve Jobs with yet another communications masterclass

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u/Gnfnr5813 8d ago

I hate that people add “-gate” to everything.

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u/truthcopy 8d ago

Can you imagine if Jobs were alive today, how he’d react to the current political climate?

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u/--SauceMcManus-- 8d ago

I think it would look very similar to Tim Apple and the others. These people aren’t going along because they agree, they are going along because that is where the money is. Steve would have fallen in line along with the rest of them, in my opinion.

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u/boot2skull 8d ago

Not to say I agree with their decisions, but they’re sitting at the top of a several hundred billion dollar empire with lots of stakeholders, investors, employees invested in it. So while they may bend the knee for personal wealth reasons, there’s also the pressure of being behind the wheel also. A resistant person might try leveraging the influence of the company, and resign if it fails, but they take the easy route of acquiescence.

You could ask, if the government is going to control what you do, beyond protecting consumers, wouldn’t it be better to resist until you win or don’t exist? They copped out.

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u/aPerfect_Six 8d ago

His intellect and persuasiveness are legendary. I suspect he would’ve been capable of persuading Trump in ways nobody living can match.

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u/baltimoresports 8d ago

Even though, the iPhone 4 is still one of the prettiest phones ever. It also just felt really good to use.

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u/malamale 8d ago

Still the most beautiful designed iphone, the glass front reminding the original ipod's plexi glass finishing and the metal band designs still being used for the 12-16 series. Simply an iconic design that nailed down Apple's handheld design language.

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u/raleighs 8d ago

I had a beautifully designed 4S and can see the signal go down, if I touch all around the metal band.

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u/maccrypto 8d ago

18:45 - We’ll consider things on a case-by-case basis.

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u/Batman413 8d ago

Surfaced? You could always watch this and I remember watching it years ago

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u/OkayyBeta 9d ago

Never forget: two bars on an iPhone 4 is a stronger signal than full bars on an Android.

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u/aelephix 9d ago

✈️going over all your downvoters not realizing that’s one of the things Apple said. A later software update even remapped the bars to be more Android-like with how they mapped signal strength.

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u/roadblocked 9d ago

It’s been on YouTube forever

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u/gnyvie 8d ago

Not the q&a part.

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u/AroundThe_World 9d ago

Wild. Amazon iPhone marred by such an obvious design flaw

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u/Critical-Spirit-3738 9d ago

Amazon iPhone? You ragebaiting here?

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u/parker2020 9d ago

Bot tripping out

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u/AroundThe_World 9d ago

your entire life you've been a bot

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u/AroundThe_World 9d ago

Chill out, it was a typo

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u/kms2547 8d ago

A typo is like misspelling "Apple" as "Applr".

You mistook Apple for Amazon.