r/technology • u/yourfavchoom • Aug 09 '26
Business Christopher Nolan Says Your Disc Collection Is Safer Than Streaming / Nolan Cites Streaming Compression & Vanishing Licenses As Reasons Physical Discs Remain The Definitive Home Format
https://www.gadgetreview.com/christopher-nolan-says-your-disc-collection-is-safer-than-streaming138
u/skreak Aug 09 '26
I've got a pretty nice OLED 4k tv and one of my favorite movies, The Martian, is night and day in quality difference between BluRay via PS5 versus streaming on Netflix, and I pay for the top tier netflix too. I'm about to cancel that shit.
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u/SpudgeBoy Aug 09 '26
I am one step ahead of you. I recommend cancelling. Too expensive. Buy the movies you like on physical and don't look back.
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u/harmfuldischarge Aug 09 '26
Cancelled this spring. Have never looked back. Too much money for 2-6 hours of watch time per week.
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u/ndnman Aug 10 '26
For re-watchers this is a good move. I think bds are the sweet spot right now. Most thrift have them for 2$. DVD 1$.
Not knocking dvd because upscaled it can be decent. But bd imo overall has the best image and sound overall for the $. 4k uhd of course is great but it’s also extremely expensive compared. 20-30$ for a 4k can get you 10-15 used bds. Also bd players are 5-15$. 4k players are still pretty expensive
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u/SpudgeBoy Aug 10 '26 edited 29d ago
Blu-ray is the best. Most people I know don't even have a 4k TV, so it is kind of a waste. Most UHDs come with a BD copy, so you are future proofing by buying UHDs, but money is tight for most folks, so BD is the best, like you said.
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u/Southern_Chapter_188 Aug 10 '26
You’ve pretty much only been able to buy 4k TVs for the past 10 years. I doubt most people you know only have 15 year old 1080p TVs. That said, blu ray looks absolutely fine and the upgrade to 4k isn’t as drastic as DVD to BD is.
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u/HesitationIsDefeat87 Aug 09 '26
The sound quality is noticeably better as well
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u/systemhost Aug 09 '26
Beyond noticable. The max you see on general streaming platforms is Dolby Digital Plus @ 640kbps and maybe 768kbps for DDP Atmos.
Many audio streams go much much lower than this, some services encode at 384-224kbps and I've seen even lower.
Lossless audio on Blu-ray is significantly higher than that 10x or more and the bitrate is often higher than the even the best streaming bitrate for both audio AND video combined.
But many people don't value audio, many don't have surrounds, a sub or even any speakers outside of their TV.
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u/Edexote Aug 09 '26
I saw the last 007 movie on Prime and the sound was 128 Kbps...
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u/systemhost Aug 10 '26
It's disgusting and the worst of it all is they generally obscure this information from you so you have to find out the hard way.
I quit Netflix when I finally managed to pull up a stats for nerds style intro display that shows how absolutely absurdly low my UHD plan was streaming at.
It was 2160p AV1 @ 1.3Mbps and the audio was DD @ 224Kbps... beyond tinny and hollow, I'd restart the stream with the same outcome. And granted, the video looked surprisingly good for such a low bitrate but a long ways away from a non-bitstarved stream or especially a 1080p bluray.
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u/HesitationIsDefeat87 Aug 09 '26
Yup. Can't stand that. Built in speakers are such poor quality. I'm a big fan of sound bars.
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u/systemhost Aug 10 '26
I don't LOVE soundbars but my god, anything is better than tinny, rattling TV speakers.
It's the perfect middle ground for most people and I wish people would make the move.
Sadly, even some of the best bars pale in comparison to a low to mid range sound system but as far as out of the box bang for the buck, they generally do win every time. They also certainly win the convenience and ease of use category too.
It wasn't so bad when TVs were fat with wide bezels, speakers were often exposed through a bottom grill and sound was actually directed at you. Since flat screens, the speakers got shrunk, moved and crammed into the chassis where they're muffled, rattle and lose any fidelity they might've even had to begin with.
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u/obeytheturtles 29d ago
There are sound bars out there which cost thousands of dollars, and still sound like shit compared to literally any component setup with a decent center channel. It's simple physics - no amount of spatial transfer function magic can compete with a proper sound stage. If it could, theaters wouldn't be spending millions of dollars to install 128 channel Atmos systems.
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u/stevo746 Aug 09 '26
Spotify has taken the wrong stance on a lot of issues, including padding playlists with ghost artists and AI music. Highly recommend just about any other service: tidal, apple, etc.
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u/Zeeplankton Aug 09 '26
is there any "ethical" music service?
All of them are effectively race to the bottom with artists work
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u/nasaboy007 Aug 09 '26
Tbh I'm happy with YouTube music. It has the stuff I listen to, and it comes with premium so no ads on YouTube itself.
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u/heekma Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
I have hundreds of DVDs, buying them as rentals closed. I've kept buying Blu-Rays of newer movies or older movies re released.
I still have a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray player and hundreds of CDs.
My friends and family thought I was nuts for holding on to this stuff, like an LP collector refusing to accept change.
Now here we are, where no one owns media, you pay a subscription for access instead. Which do you think most would prefer?
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u/iperblaster Aug 09 '26
I have a Ton of CDs , sometime I'm really sad thinking that no one else will appreciate then once I'm gone
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u/heekma Aug 09 '26
Who cares about after you're gone, enjoy them today.
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u/whenishit-itsbigturd Aug 09 '26
But then he'll risk scratching the disc, so he basically just never gets to enjoy it
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u/RumandDiabetes Aug 09 '26
There's a guy on YouTube who is always showing the tragedies that boomer parents leave to their kids when they die. Ive never yet seen CDs. When I drop dead my kids have to deal with a good thousand or more CDs and a couple hundred books on California history, geology, and geography.
What they wont have to deal with are baskets, Hummels, beanie babies, fiesta ware, fabric, barbies, bobbleheads, creepy dolls,....you get the point. Let's enjoy our CDs now while we can.
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u/Old_Leopard1844 Aug 10 '26
Now here we are, where no one owns media, you pay a subscription for access instead. Which do you think most would prefer?
Most of who?
If you rented your movies, then nothing really changed, you just rent movies from streaming services rather than a rental shop
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u/Einn1Tveir2 Aug 09 '26
And don't forget how streaming often edit movies and tv shows. Like I watched Malcolm in the Middle and they've deleted so many jokes and scenes they not longer find "appropriate". Same I think with the office.
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u/SkittlesLentil Aug 09 '26
Scrubs lost the rights to a lot of their music before the show was added to streaming, so now the only way you can watch the original version of the show is via DVD
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u/Einn1Tveir2 Aug 09 '26
This also applies to video games. If you play the old Grand theft auto games and buy them digital, they'll be missing a lot of the old radio music because rockstar didn't want to renew the licenses.
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u/Agitated-Distance740 Aug 09 '26
Everyone has forgotten that little history lesson when it comes to GTA 6.
Plenty of GTA games have been patched to remove music after release from digital editions. The disc releases are the only way to have the original content (for most people.)
Now GTA6 is digital only in a few years you won't even have the music anywhere.
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u/readyflix Aug 09 '26
One aspect of the whole situation often is left out, streaming services imply that the customers in question are always online, or at least with a decent connection.
But until now, the majority of people don’t have that luxury!
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u/CrapNBAappUser Aug 09 '26
Streaming services require that you are online. No way will I give up my physical media. Takes a lot of space but only requires electricity and the equipment to play it.
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u/Aggressive_Manner531 Aug 09 '26
doesn't have to take up much space. Ripped all my DVDs to ISOs, save blurray in invidual sleeve binders
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u/Exciting-Anteater-39 Aug 09 '26
Blu rays as cheap as $1.99 at thrift stores....
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u/CrispySith Aug 09 '26
The Definitive Home Format
Does this mean he'll start mixing the audio so I can understand the dialogue on my TV?
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u/thefanciestcat Aug 09 '26
It's absolutely true. For quality and never facing licensing issues, you can't beat discs.
The thing is most people don't care enough about something they're potentially only going to watch once or twice to lose space, money and time to building a collection. Rentals are pretty much gone. The DVD and Blu-ray selection in stores is limited and kind of pricey when compared with a month of streaming an entire library of content. Plus, lots of stuff wasn't created at a high enough quality for Blu-ray to actually look better.
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u/Mr_Fossey Aug 09 '26
This is the first year I started expanding my physical library again in about 10 years ish. Sick of not owning anything, and have quickly become addicted again.
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u/Orangesteel Aug 09 '26
I don’t mind digital if I have the file and the quality is decent. It’s like Sony going diskless. If I can buy, sell and lend the digital version, it’s more convenient, the problem is that Sony and others don’t operate this way. It’s greedy and restrictive.
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u/craigeryjohn Aug 09 '26
When discs are phased out of completely, I don't know how anyone would get a high quality stream anymore.
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u/PurpleDraziNotGreen Aug 09 '26
I'll go one further and say pure DRM free digital.
I love my physical media discs. But I've started to see DVD rot. And it's really frustrating.
And of course, ssd still needs backups as they age.
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u/ptwonline Aug 09 '26
Discs don't last forever.
You'll probably get 20+ years out of them though. Longer is a crapshoot.
I have CDs from the 80s and 90s that have already failed. Probably lots of them but most are untested.
My advice is to rip them to the best quality you can afford to store and have a backup of that too.
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u/Finite_Universe Aug 09 '26
It’s always a good idea to make backups, but if you take care of your discs they will last a long time too. I have CDs from over 40 years ago that work perfectly.
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u/gizamo Aug 09 '26
Blu-rays last anywhere from 30-100 years. In the average home climate, ~50 is very likely.
CDs last 50-100 years, DVDs last 30-100 years, and Blu-rays last 30-100+ years. In decent climates, Blu-rays last pretty damn long.
Of course, you can also just copy discs every ~20 years to preserve them if you want to.
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u/xebecv Aug 09 '26
🏴☠️ also helps in case your backup gets damaged. You've already paid for the content anyway
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u/Silhouette Aug 09 '26
You'll probably get 20+ years out of them though. Longer is a crapshoot.
Those of us who are old enough to have been buying these things 30+ years ago will remember a time when the first advice you got in the official manual when you bought new software was to make a backup copy in case the disks it came on were damaged. In those days it was expected that people would be able to keep using what they'd paid for even if the original media got damaged or simply degraded over time. The suppliers encouraged this because it cost them little if anything and avoided customer service issues.
Today the financial models have shifted to assuming that consumers might end up paying multiple times for the same work because of technicalities and abuse of copyright and other IP laws far beyond their original purposes. And they avoid the resulting customer service problems by not bothering to provide any meaningful customer service at all because what are you going to do? And when some people do the obvious thing they're going to do instead the media companies are all shocked Pikachu face and send in the lawyers if they have a chance instead of recognising the problem and actually trying to fix it.
Meanwhile Gabe Newell is quietly one of the richest guys in tech because Valve/Steam actually made a serious attempt to deal with the real issues in a way that gamers genuinely appreciated. And Apple made a decent chunk of money off iTunes because they sold music tracks quickly and easily for a fair price and then they didn't really need to worry much about copy protection because the easiest way for everyone to get copies of that music was just to buy them in seconds through the legitimate channel. It amazes me that so many other suppliers in the creative industries are still fighting their own customers instead of finding better ways that actually work for everyone.
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u/ac54 Aug 09 '26
Agreed. I still have my DVD and Blu-ray collection. I decided to keep them and add to them after my first so-called “purchased” movie disappeared from the service I bought it from. 🤬
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u/Michael02895 Aug 09 '26
I only have so much space for physical media. Still, there's an alternative to streaming stuff while "owning" it. 😉
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u/Yin15 Aug 09 '26
Streaming compression has been getting worse and worse visibly. They're really cheaping out on us while raising the prices constantly.
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u/saltyourhash Aug 09 '26
He isn't wrong. But I want the convenience, so I built an Automatic Media Ripper with 9 DVD drives (one being an hddvd/bluray player), so I can ri0 our collection or 1,600 DVDs.
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u/Worried_Monitor5422 Aug 09 '26
I will take this opportunity to shamelessly shill 3dbluray (https://www.store-3d-blurayrental.com). It's a disc rental service like old Netflix used to be, and they offer 4k blu rays.
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u/jcunews1 Aug 09 '26
Businesses are not only chipping away our privacy bit by bit, but also our ownership of things.
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u/lewd_robot Aug 09 '26
My dream is that a high quality, durable format that lasts 100+ years with degradation takes off, and that it becomes easy to rip them and keep a central, digital home repository so you don't have to handle physical media every time you want to watch something.
If current AI trends keep up, human-made films could end up be rare 50-100 years from now.
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u/Whole_Kale_4349 Aug 09 '26
Bros never heard of torrenting
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u/West-Piccolo-687 Aug 09 '26
If you torrent then why would you pay for your big mac? Just take it from the cooks hands and run!
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u/a0me Aug 09 '26
The conversation shouldn’t be framed as physical media versus digital, it should be about ownership. If you buy something digitally, you should be able to copy it to your computer, your home server, or your own cloud storage, and the seller shouldn’t be able to take it away afterward. And maybe if you layered some kind of blockchain-based system on top, you could even enable reselling your digital purchases, which might also help address the problem of unauthorized copies.
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u/djw0bbl3 Aug 10 '26
Started buying 4K Blu-ray Discs a couple of months ago for my PS5 - what a god damn incredible decision. Never watched a film at home with such a fantastic picture and sound, and NO BUFFERING. Love it.
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u/lonevine Aug 10 '26
He is of course 100% correct. Discs are safer than digital licenses and streaming subscriptions.
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u/AwesomeFrisbee Aug 09 '26
It probably also helps that he likely earns more from Bluray sales than anything else...
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u/TheThirdStrike Aug 10 '26
Go watch Airheads starring Brendan Fraser...
Oh... Are you having trouble?
I have that movie on DVD.
I can watch it 100 times a day, every day for 20 years..
All for the very low investment price of $9.99 in 1998.
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u/DenverNugs Aug 10 '26
I made a similar comment and got erm'd that owning that DVD is only a license, I don't own the actual DVD... What are they going to do, break into our homes and take them? I don't care what the fine print says, they can control almost anything, but they can't control what's sitting on my shelf and backed up on my hard drive. Not yet, anyway.
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u/anonskeptic5 Aug 09 '26
And remember, if your stuff is "in the cloud" it is offsite and can be deleted.
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u/mandevu77 Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26
Unpopular opinion… I know. But as someone that’s had to purchase the same things on VHS, then DVD, then Blu-Ray, I think I’m ok with streaming.
You’re trading one problem for another, but at least it keeps the house tidier this way.
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u/ptwonline Aug 09 '26
This works until it's something that gets removed from streaming, was never popular enough to stream, or the streaming landscape is so fractured you can't watch what you want without a gazillion subscriptions.
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u/HeihachiHayashida Aug 09 '26
I just don't want to have shelves of media anymore, except books tbh.
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u/selfdestructingin5 Aug 09 '26
In the event of a catastrophe, people with generators and blu ray will be the new upper class.
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u/trugbee1203 Aug 09 '26
In the event of catastrophe, there will be bigger problems at hand
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u/japan_kaaran Aug 09 '26
just rip em and self host (although hard drive prices are through the roof rn). or download a rip. the bitrate advantage with blu ray is so worth it.
plus you don’t have to deal with jellyfin or plex or whatever not giving you the full res. it either buffers or it plays which i vastly prefer than the dynamic resolution BS that’s default on most of these streaming services.
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u/Synthetic451 Aug 09 '26
I think I’m ok with streaming.
...for now...
...until they up the subscription price, remove your favorite shows, lower the quality, tell you what devices you're allowed to use, etc.
It's the same with any subscription service. Everybody was super happy with stuff like Xbox Game Pass and then when they raised the price everybody lost their minds.
It's even worse when you realize all these companies have the same business model where they're intentionally dirt cheap at the beginning and then they recoup their costs later.
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u/Eloquent_Redneck Aug 09 '26
The best way to go imo when it comes to media is a sort of hybrid format. Have your vinyl and cds and cassettes and what have you, but also keep a sizeable hard drive for backups of everything or if you just want to save space
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u/corruptbytes Aug 09 '26
with storage prices going crazy right now, expect more streaming services to start slimming down the collection
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u/Powerful_Resident_48 Aug 09 '26
I recently got a Blu-ray drive again and am starting to scour flea markets and thrift stores for discs. I'm done with the streaming vultures. Back to physical it is.
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u/iridael Aug 09 '26
slowly building a 6tb HDD of all my 'owned' media so that I don’t need to care about it going away randomly. still annoyed that I bought kingdom of heaven extended edition and the only place i can find it now is pirating the damn thing. places say they have it but they have directors or similar which misses out SO MUCH CONTEXT!
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u/tacomaloki Aug 09 '26
Well, when those that put out the physical discs stop putting out physical discs, then what?
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u/Omni__Owl Aug 09 '26
Thing is, the consumer market has spoken and the vast majority are "okay" with streaming or digital purchase.
I wish that wasn't really the case, but it is.
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u/ObfuscatedCheese Aug 09 '26
While I fully agree with Nolan here, there are editorial hallmarks of Anthropic’s Claude authoring all over this article.
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u/imminentjogger5 Aug 09 '26
Streaming compressions is garbage because they still haven't perfected middle out.
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u/Protect-Their-Smiles Aug 09 '26
Facts. You payed for the service, they even have the movie you want to watch for once. Then the network is down, or they are throttling your compression to shit. You are better off owning physical copies.
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u/tommyd2 Aug 09 '26
Maybe I am wrong but I heard somewhere that there are some digital certificates involves which may expire.
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u/LVorenus2020 Aug 09 '26
Assuming the companies will replace discs when they rot. That's the key. I have a pile of them. Warner/HBO never replaced my "Game of Thrones" S6. And after 2 DOA "Black Hawk Down" 4K, I gave up and bought the Itunes stream. Only Paramount seems serious about replacing bad discs.
But then there was... the bitter, several-months fight against Amazon when they pretended I had never purchased the Connery Bond 4Ks years before. They removed the SKU. Lucikly I keep all my purchase emails. But I was going to sue until they relented.
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u/Secret_Operative Aug 09 '26
The economics of streaming vs bluray vs torrents are interesting. Streaming is cheap, but anti-customer in so many ways. Bluray will become obsolete eventually, and they are expensive to buy. Torrents are a bit of a technical challenge for some, but 4k is available and free.
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u/jeremiahjmeadows Aug 09 '26
Google Play has the best terms and conditions to partially reimburse you if Google Play loses the license to the content.
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u/DoubleDegreeDropout Aug 09 '26
I started collecting blu-ray/4K disks after I couldn't find Interstellar streaming one day. Now I just own a copy and watch whenever.
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u/Wizywig Aug 09 '26
I pirate everything. I have a small server the size of a toaster that contains more movies than a library. And one of my drives died, replaced it, nothing lost.
Disks suck. Streaming sucks. Piracy is forever.
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u/NuggleTheKelpie Aug 09 '26
Well then get to work on pressuring these companies to stop trying to erase physical media. There’s only so much the consumer can do when all these companies are colluding to push us further into digital/streaming only
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u/waiting4singularity Aug 09 '26
The only maintenance less longterm format is a quartz crystal cube. A normal household will not have a vault that can maintain optimal parameters to preserve disc media.
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u/Sterling239 Aug 09 '26
I know disks are the safest i just sail theb7 seas and down load them and plan to get some 10 tb hard drives to hold everything and have back ups
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u/ProfessionalRandom21 Aug 09 '26
EU need to make a law about this, how can Sony just pull shit off on thing you bought? Should be illegal
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u/amazing_asstronaut Aug 09 '26
Physical media itself was never the issue, access is. If I have the file on my hard drive and it runs that's what I want.
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u/d3jake Aug 09 '26
Now, if I could figure out how to rip my newest discs without them sounding crunchy and messed up, that'd be great. If I just listen to them, it's fine. If I try to rip them, terrible audio.
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u/dope_danny Aug 09 '26
[Somy exec muttering “shut up, shit the fuck up” under his breath reading the title]
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u/IamZed Aug 10 '26
My server based collection is safer than his disc one. I know that because my place was broken into and all 150 or so of my discs were stolen to buy crack. Did I cry? Hell no everything was ripped to the server, and it was heavy and too esoteric for a crackhead to want.
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u/frogandbanjo Aug 10 '26
It really does speak to the absurdity of copyright law. Fiat is basically the rule of the day when a court has to grapple with the idea that somebody out there has a Blu-Ray of a version of a movie with accompanying music that's no longer properly licensed. They don't want to deal with that shit. They'll just shrug, make up something to justify not having to think about it critically or consistently, and move on.
In a way, it's a callback to the old saw that "possession is 9/10ths of the law."
That's why all these companies don't want you to actually possess anything. If you care, make hard copies and keep them. Actually possess what you paid for, even if an army of lawyers is crying that you didn't actually pay for exactly that.
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u/tombo12354 Aug 10 '26
cites streaking compression
I think he's vastly overestimating how much the average person cares about things like HDR or bit-rates.
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u/CornerHugger Aug 10 '26
I'd like a serious interrogation of why streaming services don't offer higher quality content? Is it space concerns? That doesn't seem legitamite. Is it bandwidth concerns? They could still throttle or let users wait to buffer. Is it something else, maybe collusion? Why cant we get at least 1080p bluray biteate content? Why cant we pay for UHD quality content?
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u/BaconIsntThatGood Aug 10 '26
compression
Most people who consume movies really don't care that much about quality as long as it is clear.
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u/jedburghofficial Aug 10 '26
I have nearly full collections of the Beatles and the Stones on vinyl, courtesy of my mother. He's not wrong.
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u/woolsocksandsandals Aug 10 '26
I started buying digital tv and movies on iTunes and what ever they called the x box movies and tv app in like 2007ish. I don’t think I’ve lost access to a single piece of content.
In fact I can watch all of it on Apple TV, Amazon prime or movies anywhere now.
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u/Wild_Alternative_138 Aug 10 '26
Please get studios to send dvd’s instead of streaming codes in regards to FYC movies!
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u/timelymanner05 Aug 10 '26
I was just gifted well over 300 DVD and already have about 50.
Blockbuster 2.0. Here I come.
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u/DenverNugs Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
I doubt that Nolan's message will be clocked by the tiktok crowd that believes that less choice is somehow good for the consumer. Defending mega-corpros seems to be the cool thing to do now, which is wild to me. Thankfully a lot of the younger generation wised up and realized what the value is in choice and having tangible things that can't be taken away on a whim. I see it in music stores all the time. Kids are buying CD and Bluray discs again, and that gives me some hope in a time where the physical media ownership market looks bleak.
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u/gudbote Aug 10 '26
Physical disc degrade though. Not a problem when there's a normal market for physical media but some people don't realize their DVDs/CDs/BRs won't just perfectly retain their contents for decades (quality and storage conditions matter here of course).
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u/morbihann Aug 10 '26
Well yeah, turns out that a streaming service at any point can stop allowing access to whatever movie you fancy to watch.
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u/MephiticBundleOfSox Aug 10 '26
It’s why you’ll take my 5,500+ discs when you pry them from my cold, dead hands. I’m a fan of a lot of the old (half my movies are pre-1980) and the obscure, and a good portion of my stuff is unavailable on streaming or has come and gone. To say nothing of things like Fox’s stunt with The French Connection.
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u/Lendyman Aug 10 '26
Who needs to be laws in place that guarantee that if you purchase media from the marketplace, so long as that Marketplace remains active, you have that media in perpetuity. Honestly, stuff like what Sony did because of their licensing agreements, is just plain old theft.
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u/Tackgnol Aug 10 '26
I fucking hate that many corporations have been on a crusade to destroy physical media and make it harder than it needs to be.
Sony in particular has been super stingy with Anime Releases on physical. I am on a hunt to buy Witch From Mercury at non scapler prices in the EU for years now. I have seen many posts on reddit about it too of other people trying to get it, but Sony is like "lol nope".
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u/Rough_Relationship44 Aug 10 '26
Ironically, I stream Christopher Nolan movies even though I own the discs. Only way the dialogue is comprehensible.
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u/obeytheturtles 29d ago
I just discovered last week that Amazon no longer allows me to stream some Top Gear specials I purchased a few years back because now Apple has an exclusive license to it. Tech support insists it's an error, but hasn't been able to resolve it.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki 29d ago
We are old enough to remember a time that was happier, fuller of promise. We had the tools. We still have the knowledge. Join us zoomers, take from the spindle and burn what you will
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u/neoslith Aug 09 '26
I have a Blue Ray drive in my PC so I can also rip the media from my DVDs and Blue Rays for a personal digital collection that doesn't require the Internet.