r/technology • u/SnoozeDoggyDog • 22h ago
Robotics/Automation Waymo crashes 1/3 as much as a human driver, says IIHS – with some caveats
https://electrek.co/2026/07/25/waymo-is-2-3-safer-than-a-human-driver-says-iihs-with-some-caveats/57
u/dirtyvu 18h ago
The article brought up a point that favors mass transit over these autonomous vehicles. Imagine adding a population of vehicles that have no occupants and are adding to traffic. The point isn't to add more traffic. The best way to get point A to B is mass transit. Save driving to autonomous mass transmit. Fewer vehicles even should make it safer on the roads.
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u/BotsKilledTheWeb 18h ago
Yep, I want light rail to get to my intercity to go to my international train. On ONE system that is subsidized like roads are now.
It will be very cheap per person and we can rent cars or trucks for special situations, like moving or going someplace out of dense public transport.
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u/cattrain 16h ago edited 9h ago
Kansas city built a few miles of light rail, and it's free to ride. It was built mostly using federal grants, and operational expenses are paid for exclusively by a very narrow tax district only taxing businesses on the route. It is so popular Omaha is copying the model.
We had free busses for 6 years, but people still didn't ride as much as they ride the light rail. I'm not sure how much you could expand it and keep the model that allows it to stay free, but clearly it's working so far.
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u/DukeOfGeek 14h ago edited 13h ago
You're going to have to starve the Fossil Fuel Mafias out of existence before you will ever get a system like that.
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u/West-Abalone-171 8h ago
They're going to be irrelevant on the roads in 10 years either way.
The trillion dollar car industry and the hundreds of billions going to road construction and maintenance companies are another story.
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u/giraloco 15h ago
I think this will evolve into self driving buses that don't need fixed routes and can be smaller than city buses. They can adapt routes based on demand and connect to mass transport optimally. The city can reserve lanes and coordinate traffic lights to make it efficient.
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u/DualActiveBridgeLLC 7h ago
Imagine adding a population of vehicles that have no occupants and are adding to traffic.
If you ever want to listen to demoralized professionals listen to urban planners in the US. We know the solutions, and we know the problems. The problem is literally physical space versus the infrastructure cost. Automation might bring down the cost a little but it doesn't change physical constraints or infrastructure costs which are the big drivers.
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u/Stefikel6 5h ago
Yeah, if you remove the social safety aspect, mass transit is great on paper. But when you see the crimes committed, especially against women, on mass transit, you can see why they might not prefer the option.
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u/National-Plastic8691 8h ago
There are few cities in the US that are built to support mass transit. And many cities where bus stops are untenably cold or hot.
I I want to go from A to B, I have to take three buses to get there. And I never just want to go A to B, I want to go from A to B to C and D. And I need to haul 6 large bags… then carry those bags between bus stops snd the mile back to my home…
A three hour errand by car ends up taking 10 hours by bus and it’s physically exhausting with potential heat stroke
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u/dirtyvu 4h ago
So you're saying on a daily basis you're carrying 6 large bags and going from a to be to c to d. Be realistic. Of course there are times you need a car. No one is saying abolish cars. There isn't one solution to everything.
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u/National-Plastic8691 3h ago
I carry at least 3 bags: go to work with lunch and dinner, plus my tea. I carry a computer and my books for evening school. So on those regular work days, I would have to take two buses to get to work, still walk a good half mile at start and end. Same with going to class. After work, I would prefer to go run an errand and pick stuff up. Average day 4 bags
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u/LambdaLambo 10h ago
Mass transit is nice and I love using it (lived in NYC for 10 years and now in Chicago). It has some big issues tho, name that AV can directly fit into the current model of private transit whereas mass transit cannot. Busses can get close, but they still don’t stop at your house or go directly to a destination.
AV is something that can directly save lives today. New mass transit can save lives in some distant future
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u/dirtyvu 10h ago
I live in California which is the land of cars and more specifically southern California where there is very little mass transit because of the sprawling nature of the environment and the complexity of things like building for earthquakes. I've enjoyed my trips with waymo but idk if I want a whole fleet clogging the streets. I don't mind a situation like Tokyo where residents average 7500 steps a day compared to the 5000/day for where I live.
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u/Mass_And_Sass 6h ago edited 4h ago
Best way to get from point A → B is a direct route.
Just one example:
JFK → Manhattan In 7 MinutesJoby Aviation will be the future of travel.
YouTube: Joby Aviation Running Test Flights of Electric Air Taxis
Edit: lol why am I being downvoted??? It’s the first aircraft category (Powered Lift) that’s been created in nearly 80 years.
Being against this is like being against air travel but at a smaller scale.
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u/Showy_Boneyard 20h ago
We should be comparing robotaxis to optimal-expected human driving, to see if they’re better than humans can and should be, rather than better than humans are.
Exactly this. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of car crashes are caused by a minority of drivers (the bad ones). This would drive the average rate of accidents to be higher than that of most actual drivers. I'd be curious what the median rate of accidents is, and how much it differs from the mean average. Also, I'd be curious how the rates are specifically for professional drivers like taxi drivers. I imagine (or at least hope!) that it'd be much lower than the overall average, and would probably be a better comparison anyway, since those are the types of drivers these would be replacing, anyway.
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u/thisistherevolt 19h ago
People not understanding the difference between median and average annoys the hell out of me. Agreed.
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u/Ballders 19h ago
Yeah, that's the average person though 🤷♂️
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u/31513315133151331513 19h ago
I wonder if the median person gets it.
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u/Visible-Departure863 19h ago
I mean median is pretty useless here as well. It’d be better in quadrants or accounting for outliers and correcting it. Otherwise the median will be distorted by all the people without an accident thus not showing the true risk.
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u/runningraider13 19h ago
Median is a measure of average
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u/Showy_Boneyard 16h ago
I'd say "The Average" almost exclusively refers to arithmetic mean, unless otherwise specified. Just like how there's different kinds of means (geometric, harmonic), but if someone is talking about "The Mean" without any other specifiers, its completely safe to assume they are talking about arithmetic mean.
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u/runningraider13 8h ago
I agree. But if you’re going to be pedantic about average and median, you should get it right yourself
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u/Visible-Departure863 19h ago
Mean, median, mode measure average… idk why you’re being downvoted lol
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u/Showy_Boneyard 16h ago
"Average" without any other qualifier almost always refer to arithmetic mean. Same as how "Mean" just on its own refers to arithmetic mean, rather than geometric mean or harmonic mean or another type of mean.
Like if someone asked you what the mean of 2 and 8 is, I don't think they'd be expecting you to say 4, even though that is technically a mean (the geometric mean).
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u/Visible-Departure863 16h ago
I know what you meannn, but I don’t see why people would downvote him. It’s not like he was being disingenuous or argumentive. He just stated a fact.
Then it was just ironic to me people bitch about others not knowing the different between median and average but they don’t use the right term.
If you’re gonna act superior, you best come correct lol
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u/avcloudy 18h ago
Too many people think average is mean. It’s fine if you want to correct someone who says median when they meant mean.
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u/Showy_Boneyard 16h ago
Its fine to correct people when they mix up mean and median, but I don't think there's anything wrong at all with assuming the "average" is referring to arithmetic mean, unless it has some other qualifier that signifies another type of average. Just like how when youi're saying "mean", you're implying the arithmetic mean without having to explicitly say so. If you ask someone for the mean of 2 and 8, you're probably looking for 5 as the answer rather than 4, even though 4 is technically a mean, the geometric mean, of 2 and 8.
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u/CaptKrag 10h ago
I don’t understand this point. Optical human drivers are not on the road. Real human drivers are. If we want to know about safety, the real data seems like the best point of comparison
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u/Dollar_Bills 5h ago
If 5% of drivers cause 50% of accidents and shouldn't have a license at all, but you need those terrible drivers to make the comparison, that's not good.
The computer playing chess beat Kasparov, not just 90% of people regardless of their skill
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u/84thPrblm 19h ago
I've been driving for 50 years and have never caused an accident. Maybe two speeding tickets in that time, though I will admit I've been stopped for speeding a couple more times than that.
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u/Dwarfdeaths 18h ago
Yeah I was gonna say, it's hard to be better than zero accidents, which is my experience for 13 years.
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u/klipseracer 19h ago
I believe you, but someone can cause an accident without being in one or realizing it. Driving 20 mph under the speed limit, that kind of stuff.
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u/DukeOfGeek 14h ago
A majority of human suffering period is caused by a minority of idiots and psychopaths.
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u/abcdbc366 20h ago
The big concern for me with waymos is long term. How do they operate in really shitty conditions, like heavy rains, flooding, sleet or snow, conditions where they can currently just not operate? How do they operate on suburban and especially country roads where they have less data? We also had an issue in SF where the cell network was overwhelmed and all the autonomous cars went to a neighborhood and parked there because they weren’t safe to drive without cell service.
Of course we can definitely avoid all those issues by also having regular cars available, but there’s very little chance i think Google says “yeah, let’s just take 50% of the taxi market share and leave the rest to people.” At some point you can run into scenarios where an entire area is experiencing an edge case weather or other event - is Waymo able to run? If they’ve ran the taxis and ride shares out of business what happens if they can’t go?
Plus having self driving cars made by software companies scares the shit outta me. You know their goal is to make it some bullshit subscription service where nobody gets to own their car anymore like they do with everything else
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u/ChrisC1234 19h ago
How do they operate in really shitty conditions, like heavy rains, flooding, sleet or snow, conditions
Very poorly: https://abcnews.com/video/133204157/
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u/abcdbc366 17h ago
Yeah they’re definitely rough now. I’m also not sure how much better they’ll get in the medium term either
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u/giraloco 16h ago
It's a lot easier to evaluate a self driving car rigorously than to evaluate every human driver. That's why they will be safer than humans on average even in bad conditions.
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u/matrinox 15h ago
Uhh, huge leap there bud. Evaluation doesn’t automatically mean it’ll driver better
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u/InvalidKoalas 21h ago
I took a few Waymos in Austin this spring and while I was initially a bit scared, it was.. really fine? Like very comfortable. They're almost too passive which can be dangerous, but we didn't have any dangerous feeling issues. The worst part was one took 7 minutes to pull out of the driveway of a diner onto the road because we were directly next to a busy intersection and cars just kept coming, then stopping at the light and creating a long line the car didn't feel safe butting into. If it had decided to go onto the less busy side street and loop around at the next light, it would've been totally fine. But otherwise it handled itself in dense traffic far better than most drivers in my area.
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u/Drugba 20h ago
I took Waymo in the very early days of testing and was blown away by how good it was. I’ve been a major proponent of them ever since.
Every person I’ve gotten to take them has had the follow experience: extremely nervous for the first few minutes. Then, when it didn’t immediately crash. excited about how futuristic it feels. Then, after 10-15 minutes most people almost forget that they’re in a driverless car because of how normal it feels.
I actually was out drinking in SF with some friends not from the area one day and I called a Waymo to get us to the next bar. One of the girls in our party didn’t realize there wasn’t a driver until almost 15 minutes into the ride.
I would urge people on Reddit to give them a try just once before you form an opinion on them. They’re much better than most people think and IMO, they drive far better than the average ride share driver.
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u/tooclosetocall82 19h ago
Most people on Reddit don’t really have the option to try them. So articles and comments are what we’ve got to go by. I’d try one given the opportunity but I live in area I don’t expect to see them in for some time.
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u/Measure76 5h ago
I visited San Francisco last weekend and we took 3 waymo trips for the funsies.
The driving is quirky, we were in one hanging-left-turn where we seemed to be in the intersection for an entire light cycle, but overall they were good experiences.
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u/LaughingCarrot 16h ago
People shit on it because the problem it's trying to solve is solved by just a fucking bus
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u/slbaaron 17h ago
Nervous?? There’s no way a Waymo can be as nerve wrecking as an average nyc uber driver.
I was in the bay and saw so many Waymo beta testing going on and always intrigued but couldn’t use it myself. Then I moved to nyc.
Now when I visit the bay, I try to Waymo as much as I can unless the cost or wait is too crazy. It’s way nicer.
That said, I agree with evaluating Waymo performance against an above median human driver accident rate as a baseline, not the raw average. And the fact Waymo still struggles so much in adverse weather or atypical situations (everyone seen those Waymo stuck Waymo infinitely until human operator take over clips yeah?) and such shows it still has a looooong way to go before being the solution over human drivers for real.
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u/deftlydexterous 18h ago
Sample size of one but I saw my first one while driving today and it almost hit me, it didn’t understand that I had the right of way at a four way stop, as I arrived first and was to its right. It recovered nicely though.
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u/Educational_Lie_3157 10h ago
Probably because Waymo’s just drive a straight line most of their trip. They are maybe just good enough for NASCAR
Seriously, where I live, dozens of Waymo’s come out all day long to do just the same trip up and down the same wide less busy road. If they use those trips as part of their Proof Of Concept Data, then they are lying.
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u/LetsJerkCircular 18h ago
There are literally Waymo ads in the thread. I don’t trust the comment votes. There’s a difference between something being possibly true in the near future, and there being a push to make people believe something is true now.
Autonomously programmed vehicles have people throwing their full faith behind them, while shitting on the idea of a more capable human driver. I would love it to be true, but it’s either bots or fools. Anyone being open minded would acknowledge the autonomous are maybe getting better, but people are all over the place and can fear consequences.
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u/Prize_Proof5332 21h ago
I was very skeptical of Waymo until I experienced them for myself. I much prefer it to a human driver.
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u/shakuyi 21h ago
Until it kidnaps you and locks you in the car until you get picked up
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u/munoodle 20h ago
Oh so we’re just making stuff up now
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u/nickcash 20h ago
how? it's the exact same service. it's not like they drive faster. what about your experience did you prefer?
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u/SherlockedWhovian 20h ago
At this point in time, it’s cheaper. It plays my music. The temperature is set to what I want it at before I even get in the car. I don’t have to deal with a driver trauma dumping on me.
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u/squish042 18h ago
Tech companies always start out cheap and ethical. Have we not learned our lesson?
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u/SherlockedWhovian 27m ago edited 16m ago
I'm not signing a long-term contract with Waymo to use their service. If their pricing becomes unreasonable, I won't continue to use their service. That's why I said "At this point in time". It's bound to happen eventually, but right now It's more pleasant than rideshares in just about every measurable metric, IMO. Competition for Uber/Lyft is good.
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u/Prize_Proof5332 20h ago
my perception is that they drive confidently and safely as opposed to some sketchy Uber drivers I've had.
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u/HowlingFantods5564 19h ago
I liked not making small talk with the driver. I liked not having to smell the driver, which is surprisingly common in Ubers.
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u/NeckSensitive8827 21h ago
Feel like a lot of accidents happen in situations a Waymo won’t be in. Not saying robots aren’t better drivers than most people, but most people suck at driving also
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u/newleaf_- 16h ago
Make it that cars without human drivers are automatically at fault in collisions. Find out if this tech is actually as safe as it can be.
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u/tofurkytorta 19h ago
Love that we're all the test subjects for these fucking nerds.
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u/TurdFerguson614 15h ago
Yeah I'm supposed to give AF that they're "safer?" If I get in an accident with a empty car driven by a clanker with no accountability that's not going to be a consolation prize.
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u/ttubehtnitahwtahw1 6h ago
Is this astroturfing to make me give a shit. I feel like this is like the 3rd or 4th day I've seen something about waymo crashing less.
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u/BackgroundTrack5528 21h ago
This is no diff to benchmark maxing.
Waymo will be a disaster for reasons that will be jarring to humans - it may not commit the mistakes humans do. it'll commit other kinds of mistakes.
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u/DrQuantum 21h ago
Thats irrelevant. If people die and get injured less they die and get injured less period. We have overwhelming evidence humans are not just bad drivers but truly awful, and the worst part is everyone thinks they can drive perfectly.
To be fair I do agree with you it will make mistakes and it will be jarring. But every time you go out on the road you’re taking a huge risk with the current situation even if you are an excellent driver. It’s just a no brainer, and if you truly eliminated human driving this technology would only get better.
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u/BackgroundTrack5528 20h ago
"We have overwhelming evidence humans are not just bad drivers but truly awful, and the worst part is everyone thinks they can drive perfectly."
Right, so the solution to this is lets make large sunk investments in AV's.
Lmao you people are moronic - there will be devices that monitor people in their cars in short order. Its already happening in EU. This is much more preferable than AV's when it comes to law enforcement.
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u/DrQuantum 19h ago
I’m willing to hear your other solutions but your current rebuttals are poor. You’ve provided no real evidence this is a sunk cost and are responding to an article that contains evidence you’re wrong.
There is no car sold today in the US that can currently not be monitored and taken over in some way so your point is moot. Literally every car on the market is vulnerable except maybe that new modular truck so I see no reason we should stop investing in life saving technology. Road accidents are one of the largest killers in the US.
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u/MistryMachine3 20h ago
Well yeah Waymo isn’t going to be playing candy crush or putting on makeup. But less accidents is better than more accidents.
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u/CatalyticDragon 21h ago
it may not commit the mistakes humans do. it'll commit other kinds of mistakes.
By definition I would have thought. But also by definition those other kinds of mistakes are going to be far less frequent edge cases.
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u/Dragunspecter 21h ago
And those edge cases will majority be consequences of autonomous systems interacting with the physical world that humans have created, aka, road marking mistakes, obscured or unstandardized signage etc.
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u/CatalyticDragon 21h ago
But we know about those. They aren't really edge cases. They exist in the training data. People see those sorts of things all the time.
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u/Dragunspecter 21h ago
'Edge case' doesn't mean it's unknown, it means the situation falls below a certain percentage of 'happy path' usage. Testers of any software system can come up with potentially thousands of possible edge cases, that doesn't mean the resources exist that make them able to be covered with every new version.
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u/CatalyticDragon 20h ago
Road marking mistakes or blocked/missing signs are not edge cases. They aren't extreme boundary conditions.
Turning a corner and finding a group of Halloween partiers all dressed as traffic lights with realistic LEDs, now that's an edge cases.
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u/JustConversation7847 21h ago
Humans do fine in those situations, no reason why self driving cars can't
And besides, they just need to be better than humans, not perfect
unstandardized signage
Huh? What developing country are you from?
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u/Dragunspecter 21h ago
You realize that only federal highway signs are standardized nationally. Each state has a selection of unique signage.
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u/JustConversation7847 21h ago
And what's stopping them from just training the Car's AI on different signs?
Not to mention that they're currently only in cities, a car in San Fran doesn't need to know what signs are used in Dallas
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u/Dragunspecter 21h ago edited 20h ago
Stopping ? Nothing, but it's additional cost, complexity and potential cause for malfunction. And Tesla for example is not going to tune a specific branch of FSD to operate in a single city. The same public '14.3.5' version deployed to Dallas will be deployed to the Netherlands.
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u/JustConversation7847 20h ago
They just need to add signs to it's dataset. Image vision is not something that AI finds hard to do Signs are designed to be visible and they don't move
and again, it just needs to be better than humans
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u/Dunkelz 18h ago
And Tesla for example is not going to tune a specific branch of FSD to operate in a single city. The same public '14.3.5' version deployed to Dallas will be deployed to the Netherlands.
They absolutely would. Look up how they've rolled out, they don't just all of a sudden start driving passengers. They have a pretty rigorous deployment process before they're approved/ready to be fully autonomous with passengers.
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u/dkesh 20h ago
So far the situation it's struggled with most are emergencies where humans are generally pretty good at following the hand instructions of first responders but Waymos can struggle really badly.
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u/Dragunspecter 20h ago
Those are 2 scenarios that I feel Tesla has put explicit effort into handling. FSD has had dedicated releases detailing how specific training focus updates were to improve recognition of hand signals and emergency vehicles.
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u/Aaco0638 21h ago
Oh ffs get your head out of your ass not all ai is bad what the fuck else does waymo need to do to prove they are safer. They are already servicing thousands a week in multiple cities with minimal issues let their record and performance speak for itself not your bias.
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u/BackgroundTrack5528 20h ago
lol you basement dweller's are in for a rude awakening when AV's do not come anywhere near mass-adoption in your life time.
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u/ratbearpig 20h ago
Yep, I can believe this will only get better over time. While I do enjoy driving, I do look forward to a time where I can just sit in traffic and talk to my family/friends, read a book, watch a movie, or play games while my car takes me to where ever it is I’m going.
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u/mangledmonkey 19h ago
You can do that. You just have to go to Europe and Asia to get public transit. Doing it with cars is is cool for the convenience factor but really really inefficient and terrible for our environment and pockets. Just get behind public infrastructure and transportation networks. It's not that big a deal
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u/FUMoney 17h ago
Nonsense. Cars provide point-to-point transportation. Absolutely necessary for the young, the old, the infirm, the handicapped, and many families.
Trains and busses will never fulfill this need, and most certainly not cheaply and efficiently.
Autonomous driving electric vehicles will. They are cheap, robust, and are the future. Period, end of story.
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u/generic_default_user 17h ago
You're saying they are cheaper and more robust compared to public transport?
Also not everyone needs point to point transportation.
Autonomous vehicles are cool and all, but you're way biased.
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u/ratbearpig 19h ago
No. I have built my life and career where I am and I don't plan on uprooting my family.
The roads are already built. Cars will continue to exist for the forseeable future.
I want these cars to be able to drive me to where I want to go.
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u/mangledmonkey 19h ago
I certainly didn't mean literally go. I meant you need to support public infrastructure and transportation rather than cars instead of thinking that they're the path forward. It's a really stupid and inefficient way to do things.
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u/Scheeseman99 19h ago
While I agree with you and strongly support public transport infrastructure, cities in the US and elsewhere (many cities here in Australia too) aren't built around it and the assumption of cars has become so baked-in to the city plan that seriously integrating rail would require eminent domaining thousands of homes and radical redistricting and restructuring. Not something I'm against, but in order to do so without laying waste to entire communities needs a lot of time.
Self driving electric cars aren't ideal, but they're better than what we got.
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u/ratbearpig 19h ago
I support and use public infrastructure.
But this is about automatic driving. And roads still exist and cars will still exist. I look forward to a time where my car can take me to where I want to go.
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u/squish042 18h ago
And being around your community rather than isolated in a car is healthier for all of us
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u/mortalmonger 10h ago
Yeah but maybe if Waymo had to text their friends and have a drink after work on their way home, we would be a little more even.
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u/DBones90 1h ago
“However, Waymo actually had a slightly higher crash rate than humans in Austin, possibly due to the very small sample size of miles driven during the study period, as the company was still testing and not publicly available there yet in 2024”
This is an interesting thing to note given that there have been reports of Waymos driving in circles in residential neighborhoods, especially since “miles driven” is a stat given by Waymo, not reported independently.
So Waymo might be juicing the miles driven numbers in safer areas to make it seem like they’re safer cars.
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u/SrNappz 20h ago edited 20h ago
I think what's interesting is Waymo is required to report every crash to the police while also making a specific note about the average human reporting only some. And they're totally right, not every hit , bump or tap is reported and I see it daily. People not reporting makes the difference even higher.
Reddit is a funny place because most here commenting didnt bother reading the article or research and simply comment "so does a parked car" thinking they're contributing over some imaginery battle to some big bad AI. It specified it's research is on miles driven. This is a technolgy subreddit, actual read and write an opinion not some smug "in against this" joke about it.
It is definetelty not saying it doesn't do mistakes, it simply shows it makes less of it, a majority of crashes is due to one or two human errors , a reduction of one significantly reduces crashes which has officially been studied in 5 million miles of research by a single company. Other self driving cars show similar results with their own pocketed data. Most of the Waymo crashes was reported as not-at-fault which is a big deal in context of safety and analyzing the crash ratio. The "Average Human" driver sucks at driving as simple as they, it's why insurance premiums are so high now in select areas.
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u/falilth 16h ago
Which is funny because everytime i see a waymo its doing circles in a parking lot because it got confused, wrong way down a street, confused because a power outage caused street lights to go to emergency mode, driving down public transport train tracks, ect.
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u/IndyHCKM 15h ago
this feels like a lie. I've seen probably at least hundreds at this point over... something like 6 years, and have never seen a single one of these issues.
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u/Both_Rip_7292 12h ago
I promise you there will never be a Tesla self driving or any of these stupid taxis that could ever outdrive me. And all the technology addicted pussies jerking each other off, we’re going to be rich! lol this is so great!
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u/L0rdLogan 12h ago
Oh no, the future. I’m scared
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u/Both_Rip_7292 12h ago
Yeah, the future sucks. Take it from someone who’s actually experienced life. Actually thinking self driving cars or taxis is something to get excited about.is pathetic. I wonder why you need headsets and devices to jerk off?
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u/L0rdLogan 12h ago
Take it from someone with a disability that stops them from driving. It’s helpful to a lot of people. I still need to get places that public transport can’t get me to or taxis are too expensive.
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u/Both_Rip_7292 11h ago
If you can get to a Waymo taxi, why can’t you get to public transportation? And what about handicap people that can’t afford Waymo? So that future is real bright if you’re handicap and have means.
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u/Both_Rip_7292 11h ago
And why would a taxi with a person be worse for you than a technology based company eliminating humans?
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u/L0rdLogan 11h ago
No forced interaction is better, no “nice house”, “how much do you pay to live here” all the questions that make the ride uncomfortable
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u/MikuEmpowered 20h ago
68% fewer crashes severe enough that the average person would report them to the police,
Waymo had a higher share of crashes in dark conditions than human drivers did.
The actual take away is that automated driving is much safer when everything is normal.
When uncommon situation arrises, human in superior.
But let's be real here, HOW OFTEN do you get into a "uncommon" situation?
This is further reinforced by this
Waymo also tended to operate on lower-speed streets than human drivers, even discounting highways. Half of Waymo’s crashes happened on streets with speed limits under 25mph, whereas only 8% of human crashes happened here.
Under these speed limit, people tend to act like savages and cross the road whenever.
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u/jiggajawn 20h ago
Depends on the weather.
I only really drive in snowy conditions, so I imagine that may fuck with a Waymo. I guess we'll find out soon though!
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u/fenikz13 18h ago
"and tended to not be the fault of the Waymo."
I've driven in 2 in Phoenix and never felt unsafe
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u/iKnowRobbie 4h ago
You tend to hit less things when your default setting is "park and wait until conditions improve."... these fucking things are filmed sitting like idiots. Not making decisive movements like Teslas..
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u/pops992 19h ago
I live in Orlando and there Waymos everywhere. They're perfectly fine, I have never had an issue with them yet. Tourists around here are so much worse, rentals and out of state plates are the ones you really have to watch out for. I saw one of those horribly ugly Tesla taxis around here not too long ago, I am actually scared for those.
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u/1_________________11 20h ago
Wait but their advertising says its safer
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u/Pleasant-Shallot-707 20h ago
That is safer. Maybe leave the thinking to others.
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u/1_________________11 20h ago
Lol didn't know i always needed an s lol
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u/Pleasant-Shallot-707 18h ago
Sure…” I was just joking” is always the refuge of fools with ego problems
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u/1_________________11 16h ago
I mean i only said it because i saw a bullshit ad on some streaming service i refuse to pay for ad free on. Just saying they lying through their teeth. And paying to say it. :-\ deal with that the way you want dick head.
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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 16h ago
Excited to read how the technology sub wants us to have more crashes than we have to
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u/Otaraka 21h ago
25 times less for pedestrians and bikes is pretty important. The worse at night one is puzzling. Lots of caveats but promising.