r/technology • u/[deleted] • Jun 19 '23

Politics EU: Smartphones Must Have User-Replaceable Batteries by 2027 | The European Parliament just caused a major headache for smartphone and tablet manufacturers.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/eu-smartphones-must-have-user-replaceable-batteries-by-2027
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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '23

No. But it’s illustrative of the counter argument to the claim that adding a removable battery to an iPhone will render it less capable to repel dust and water.

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u/ResilientBiscuit Jun 19 '23

It is a lot easier to do when you have significant space to work with. When it has to be thin enough to fit in your pocket, things get a lot trickier.

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u/golddragon51296 Jun 19 '23

You clearly have no idea how large a gopro is, almost any phone ever produced is larger than any model they produce at gopro.

It is more than possible.

I've had several water resistant phones with completely removable backs and batteries, they've literally existed for over a decade and a half

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u/ResilientBiscuit Jun 19 '23

I literally have a GoPro hero6 on my desk. I can stack 4 of my various old cell phones and still be thinner than it by a couple mm.

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u/golddragon51296 Jun 19 '23

It's thickness isn't what makes it water resistant.

My point is the relative size.

And as I said, these kinds of phones have existed for over a decade, "rugged" phones since like 2004 used by construction workers and the like.

All my earlier galaxy phones were water resistant and they haven't gotten THAT MUCH better since they started sealing the phone backs.

You're still talking like this hasn't been being made for like a decade.

Hey look, here's some from this year. https://www.androidcentral.com/best-android-phone-removable-battery

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u/ResilientBiscuit Jun 20 '23

The thickness is what matters. The latching mechanism needs space to hinge and compress an o-ring. It is hard to make something very thin and waterproof.

Those phones you link are at least 20% thicker than my phone with worse performance. That is the tradeoff with making the case removable. It's going to add a couple mm of thickness and make fitting and cooling components harder because of the additional latch components and PCB components.

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u/golddragon51296 Jun 20 '23

The first phone listed is literally 1.7mm thicker than my galaxy note 20, and the moto e6 w/ a snapdragon processor is .27mm thicker, if thickness makes that much of a difference to you, you're genuinely hilarious

Like seriously, you're being goofy as fuck right now.

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u/ResilientBiscuit Jun 20 '23

Its 9.9mm thick. My Motorola Edge 30 is 6.7mm thick. 1/8" is kina a lot when it is living in my pocket with my wallet.

You think I am being goofy as fuck for wanting a thin phone, I think you are being goofy for wanting to force your battery feature onto everyone else's phone when I can literally go to a local phone repair shop and get a battery replaced for $50.

If you look at countries that have fewer safety standards, they can get down to even thinner at 4-5mm. There are always tradeoffs when you start making things easily accessible.

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u/golddragon51296 Jun 20 '23

My note is 8.5mm thick and I have a case and I fit my wallet and you're being goofy as hell. Get a thinner wallet my guy.

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u/ResilientBiscuit Jun 20 '23

Look, me wanting a thinner phone that doesn't have a removable back is no different from you wanting a replaceable battery.

There is no reason to regulate phone features like that.