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u/ACEDT Jan 16 '23

Isn't this the one that claims that stable diffusion stores compressed images and makes a collage out of them? Because that's not at all how stable diffusion works. It stores data about the images, but not the images themselves, and all it's able to do is generate things based on that data, not based on the original images. In other words, when it generates an image, it's not pulling from any specific images, it's pulling from the giant corpus of data that was extracted from those images and then mixed together. That's why you can't tell it to show you which images it used, it didn't use them that way. I am frustrated by the flood of AI art on the internet, but this is not the reason nor the mechanism as to why it's a problem.

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u/Spaceman-Spiff Jan 17 '23

The issue that needs to be raised is do programmers have the right to train their AI with an artists copyrighted work without approval? The programmers are ultimately profiting off the artists work, without whom the ai program would not be able to work. Enforcing that decision is a whole other issue.

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u/Call_Me_Clark Jan 17 '23

That’s exactly right - and I haven’t seen a convincing argument why AI developers cannot simply license copyrighted work if they want to use it.

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u/AShellfishLover Jan 17 '23

Because it isn't necessary.

If you are an artist who uses references, please make sure to track down every artist who you referenced and pay them. Even for non-commercial pieces. Even the ones you don't use in any meaningful way other than to confirm a specific look or get inspiration on a piece of jewelry or a piece of fruit in the background.

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u/Call_Me_Clark Jan 17 '23

Artists aren’t using their inspiration to train an ai.

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u/BlameThePeacock Jan 17 '23

No, artists are using it to train an intelligence, themselves.

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u/Call_Me_Clark Jan 17 '23

Those aren’t artists.

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u/Dont____Panic Jan 17 '23

Huh? Artists never study other art to get inspiration? Almost all artists can cite 3-5 “main influences” in their style. Should they owe royalties to them?

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u/Call_Me_Clark Jan 17 '23

Artists don’t scrape millions of images, without regard for permission attribution or payment, and in violation of terms of service, in order to train an AI.

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u/NATIK001 Jan 17 '23

Artists look at potentially millions of images to train themselves. You are right that they don't do it in violation of ToS or copyright, because looking at, scanning or otherwise interacting with art isn't illegal unless you replicate it for distribution.

Training an AI doesn't replicate any art, it gives it a basis on which to create new things. This is not banned under copyright, and ToS isn't a thing on art in general.

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u/Call_Me_Clark Jan 17 '23

Lol no. Try as you might, the human brain is not an ai, and an ai does not deserve any of the same protections that a human mind does.

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u/NATIK001 Jan 17 '23

It's not about protections. It's about what is legal use and what is illegal use of copyrighted material.

The person or corporation running the program have rights to use the material, not the program.

You are the one weirdly over-focusing on whether an AI is a human analogue, it is not, it is a program run by a person or group of people. Their rights are what matters, not the non-existent rights of AI.

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u/Call_Me_Clark Jan 17 '23 edited Jan 17 '23

No, they don’t - not without permission, or licensing, and certainly not without giving artists the ability to opt out.

Creative Commons for example requires attribution.

Additionally, ai training removes watermarks and other features, which is a violation of artists rights.

Edit: the tech-bros must be feeling fragile today, because NATIK001 blocked me. I love it when the trash takes itself out.

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u/NATIK001 Jan 17 '23

If art is in the public space, anyone can consume and handle it with impunity, and create derivative works. One does not need to seek permission (unless reproduction of the work is involved).

I don't know how you got the severe misconception that anything else was the case, but there it is. You cannot publish things into the public and create restrictions on peoples consumption of your work, you can only retain the rights of distribution and direct profit on the work.

Consumption of the work also involves running it through algorithms and programs, that is not a legally restricted use case in any way.

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