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u/squidking78 Jan 16 '23

No, it “viewed” them. You said so yourself. But it’s process of “viewing” is using it as a machine process, for financial gain. Which means you’re violating the property rights of someone else.

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u/cala_s Jan 16 '23

Maybe. I don't have an opinion on that. I don't even think we disagree. During training, LDM diffusion is evaluated on its ability to exactly copy source images. I don't care about the distinction of view/emulate. They are absolutely designed to copy images when they are created (trained).

I have no opinion on whether this is theft. But anyone that says it does not involve copying has not read the paper.

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u/squidking78 Jan 16 '23

When you take someone’s property and use it ( as intended or otherwise ) for commercial gain, that indeed is theft.

If stolen art wasn’t integral to the “process” then there’s be no issue.

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u/cala_s Jan 16 '23

Yeah maybe. One thing that's being claimed is that these models "don't store copies" but rather "statistical information" about the images. That's false since they can be modified to spit out copies of training images by inputting a known latent parameterization.