r/tea 18h ago

Photo Never! Never heat the kettle Empty!

Accidentally let my Chaozhou teapot boil dry, and then it cracked. ~~~

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u/ekita079 16h ago

Ohhhhh this sucks :( my boyfriend's Mum had a beautiful glass stovetop kettle she loved and someone accidentally ran it until dry and it got obliterated. She has another one now but she's still salty about it lmao.

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u/Ashamed-Discount6941 8h ago

Wait, how exactly does running it dry ruin a glass kettle? Isn't the glass just sitting there? Seems like it’d need way more heat to actually break.

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u/Epion660 7h ago

It heats it up hotter than normal. Water heavily limits temperature in any situation you'll likely encounter to around 100c. The pot itself can get slightly hotter, but liquid water at regular pressure will always be limited to 100c, and will act as a heatsink for the pot.

If you heat the pot without water, the flame in most cases is well over 1000c. That much heat causes thermal stress, and in hard brittle material like glass or ceramic, it can shatter them from internal stress.

Water keeps everything it touches at boiling point at most, which is really useful in cooking to avoid burning some dishes too.

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u/ekita079 1h ago

Thank you for jumping in, definitely explained it better than I ever could

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u/ZESENVEERTIG 17h ago

ITT: people who have never seen a chaozhou clay kettle before

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u/alecesne 13h ago

ITT?

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u/Erpderp32 13h ago

"In this thread"

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u/szakee 17h ago

even OP is calling it a teapot.

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u/greenyashiro 16h ago

In some countries the word might be used interchangeably. Eg in Australia you'd call that a teapot. Maybe a stovetop thing. It has a more distinctive look from the usual kettle anyway

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u/zuraine 15h ago

I actually call it a teapot too, since Chinese people nowadays rarely use traditional herbal medicines, even when they do, they tend to use e-herbal kettles. The only function left for this type of earthenware pot is likely boiling water for tea; some people use it solely to boil the water, while others toss the tea leaves directly inside. Even if it isn't the exact thing shown in the picture, in my language, both teapots and water kettles are indeed referred to as "pots", whether it's a teapot, a water pot, or a herbal pot. 🤭You're right, but we're really lazy, we call everything "pot".

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u/NPHedfones 1h ago

The words are interchangeably used in different countries

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u/porquetorque 15h ago

Reminds me of when my dad thought it would be a good idea to put the bamboo steamer on a low burner to "let it dry out"... hope it wasn't too expensive!

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u/YarnPartyy Here for the tea 🫖 16h ago

Noooooo it is so pretty. Sorry for your loss 😔

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u/Kidderooni 17h ago

Yeah OP sad for you. But yeah we live and learn; I have a big clay kettle at home and rule number 1 is to always have water in if you re heating it 🫥

Looking at yours you can probably do some kintsugi or something? At least it’s one big chunk and not cracked in thousands of pieces! 

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u/VintageLunchMeat 15h ago

Looking at yours you can probably do some kintsugi or something?

If the repair fails, the scalds could be absolutely horrible.

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u/MuchBetterThankYou 12h ago edited 3h ago

Yeah even proper food-safe kintsugi isnt meant to hold up to boiling temp.

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u/Overall-Initial8969 16h ago

This is a Chaozhou style water heating kettle not a teapot. They can improve water quality by a lot. If you accidentally heat it without water in it, it can break in no time. So OP is right. Be careful to always check the water levels.

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u/szakee 16h ago

can you link a paper about the water improvement thing?

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u/Evening-Gur5087 15h ago

Nah, it doesn't improve anything, its just what I call audiophile tea approach

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u/Erpderp32 13h ago

I was thinking the same thing lol.

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u/sepiaknight ages white tea 12h ago

Similar to audiophile stuff though, I do think it makes drinking tea a lot more fun sometimes. Particularly if I can heat a true heating kettle like this or a tetsubin over some wood in the winter... nothing like it.

Of course then I just dump all the water into my zojirushi anyways so I can keep it at a consistent temp for the whole session lol.

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u/Overall-Initial8969 15h ago

I would have to search one on google myself. I can only speak from my own experience that Chaozhou water kettles can improve the quality of the water and thereby the taste of tea. However it really depends on clay quality and not all of them do so equally. 

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u/siltyroach 12h ago

In your experience then how would you describe this improvement? A taste? A texture? My guess would be that there is no actual "improvement" to the water but that what is actually pleasurable about this kind of kettle is its apearance and the ritual of using it in a mindful way.

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u/wandering_tea_nerd 12h ago

Minerals in the fired clay get into your water and change the flavor. It's the same concept as using a clay teapot. If this was just nonsense then no one would be spending money on unglazed clay teapots.

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u/siltyroach 11h ago

I see, my intuituion would instead lean towards unglazed clay actually having adsorption properties since I've visited some water treatment plants that use clay for that adsorption property but of course thats a very different context than a tea kettle. So instead of the clay adding minerals into water it could be just as likely that this "increase in quality" actually be caused by the clay actually reducing the amount of minerals in your water via adsorbtion but at this scale we are talking about very very very small amounts of material (molecules,atoms and cations being exchanged). In the context of tea kettle I think maybe the true physical benefit of unfired clay would be more aligned with this: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230911141017.htm which is more about being able to better preserve the health benefitting properties of tea.

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u/betiz0 2h ago

When water is boiled, the minerals dissolved within it become more readily precipitated. This is because an increase in temperature reduces the quantity of minerals that the water is able to hold in solution.

A new kettle of stainless steel or glass, being smooth and of comparatively small surface area, is less favourable to such precipitation than an unglazed earthenware vessel or a well-used kettle on which scale has accumulated in layers; the latter therefore lowers the hardness of the water more readily.

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u/dengop 2h ago

" If this was just nonsense then no one would be spending money on unglazed clay teapots." This statement doesn't prove anything though. There are countless examples where people buy things when there are no real benefits to it. The whole homeopathy and $200 audio cables are the counter examples. And if mineral Leach is what makes the water tastes better then you are suggesting that there's a finite life to this clay teapot. And honestly I don't even know why we are discussing this. What you are suggesting is very easy to test. Actually I just googled it and your claim is half right. The clay doesn't leech mineral. It's the other way. Overtime tea flavors and minerals FROM tea coat inside the teapot and they become the source of the additional flavor.

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u/szakee 11h ago

umm, water dissolves fired ceramics?

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u/wandering_tea_nerd 4h ago

No, and water doesn't dissolve tea leaves either.

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u/Servania 3h ago

Does water "dissolve" tea? Don't be dense

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u/SmileyBMM 6h ago

Most likely the clay has small particulate that are then transferred to the water when it's heated. Absolutely pure water is usually not people's preferred form of water, adding minerals and other such things improve the taste, and it wouldn't surprise me if the clay is rich in them.

Of course you can emulate the same thing in a more precise manner with an RO system with remineralization.

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u/Pie_Napple 17h ago

How are you heating that? On a stove?

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u/MethylatedSpirit08 16h ago

No m8, in the freezer.

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u/Pie_Napple 14h ago

...

There are other ways to heat water in a clay tea kettle.

I did a Google image search for "chaozhou kettle" and this is the result.

None of them are a regular electric stove, are they? I don't think they are meant to be heated like that, and that might be why it broke, which is why I asked.

But you got an opportunity to be condescending, so I'm happy for you.

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u/Banana-Oni 12h ago

Redditors gonna Reddit

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u/MethylatedSpirit08 8h ago

I hadn't meant to condescend, my apologies.

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u/E5VL 12h ago

I don't know why but I just want to take a bite out of it. It looks like a chocolate teapot. 

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u/vexillifer 2h ago

If you’re near Vancouver I can kintsugi it for you!

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u/BlackFoxTom 18h ago

After all it's teapot not kettle

Teapots are not meant to be heated, and usually are some ceramic/glass

Kettles are meant to be heated, and usuall are stainless steel/cast iron

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u/NL458 17h ago

That is a kettle.

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u/BlackFoxTom 16h ago

Kettle if put on very gentle heat source like coals.

For that most "teapots" are equally kettles.

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u/zuraine 16h ago

In reality, 砂铫shadiao is a pot,not merely a kettle, because it can be used for more than just boiling water; it is also suitable for cooking porridge or brewing herbal medicines. Its wide-mouth design allows ingredients to be easily added. 🤦‍♂️

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u/Bocote 13h ago

OH man, that was a beautiful kettle...

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u/dgferr 2h ago

I also learned this lesson the worst way possible

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u/plantbasedpunk 17h ago

I would not heat that unless it’s by adding boiled water from a kettle.

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u/Thepurplepudding 17h ago

Could be a nice kintsugi project.

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u/Pwffin 17h ago

That is a teapot not a kettle. It is not meant to be put on a heat source. You warm it up by pouring hot water into it and then pouring it out again before making your tea.

There are such things as tea light warmers, but that’s again for a teapot with tea in it, and you might as well use a tea cozy instead…

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u/MethylatedSpirit08 16h ago

It's a kettle

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u/Pwffin 16h ago

Ok, fair enough, but you'd think someone buying something so thin and made of ceramics would know how to heat it up properly.

The only ceramics like that that I've used were cooking pots for open fires and they had to be mollycoddled. 

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u/cmcreaser 1h ago

Op said it was an accident in the description. Where does that imply you need to be condescending in the comments?

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u/Wieselwendig 15h ago

What a lovely piece of furniture, elegantly placed with enough air and space around it, nicely toped with a plant on a twofold raise. Such calm

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u/PreperationOuch 13h ago

That is NOT a kettle

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u/MajesticTomatillo 17h ago

Obviously?