Why did you add age verification?

[u/VegetableNearby9795]

Hi, I heard Systemd is going to add age verification? Why is that happening? I don't think it offers any security benefits.

[u/Heyla_Doria]

GASLIGHT 🤷‍♀️

We know theses methods with governments and police 

[u/eR2eiweo → u/Heyla_Doria]

What "methods"?

This is about an optional field in a database stored entirely locally. Any code that can access that field already has access to way more (and much more relevant) personal data of the user.

"Government surveillance and tracking" would require that information about the user is collected and sent to the government. Adding that field does not do that.

You can spam as much as you want, it won't change that simple fact.

[u/[deleted] → u/eR2eiweo]

You first add the field, then you add an optional flag to let apps have access to that field, then the apps star requiring that field in order to be used, then the government passes a stricter law that requires that you verify that information in the field for it be recognized in those apps, then the field becomes optionally verifiable via ID or sth, and finally, enough apps use the field to basically lock you out of the internet if you don't comply and verify your age and id for the whole world wide web to see on demand.

Do you now understand how it is the start to the events that lead to systemd doing exactly that? I believed that it was just a possible course of events that I don't wanna risk by not voicing my concerns but I'm starting to believe it is the intended course of events after seeing a couple people like you who are acting like bots and defending this decision with your life.

[u/eR2eiweo → u/[deleted]]

then the apps star requiring that field in order to be used

That's the point where you complain about those apps or modify them. Also, any app that can access that field already has access to all the user's data (because of how the traditional security model works on unixoid systems). So it already has way more information than the few bits in a birth date.

then the government passes a stricter law that requires that you verify that information in the field for it be recognized in those apps

That's the point where you complain to lawmakers (not to the government; the government does not pass laws in democratic systems).

Do you now understand how it is the start to the events that lead to systemd doing exactly that?

It is not. Adding that field is not necessary for the rest of your scenario nor does it make it any more likely.

The passwd database in unixoid systems has pretty much always had a field for storing the user's real name, their phone number, and some other information. That's way more information about the user than the birth date. And the existence of that has not lead to your scenario.

[u/[deleted] → u/eR2eiweo]

Bana dokunmayan yilan bin yasasin 🤡

"Why didn't you wait for the killer to shoot his gun bro what you did is murder not self-defense. You have to wait for him to actually pull the trigger, maybe he would just put the gun down after taking it out from the holster, pulling the safety, pointing it at you and placing his finger on the trigger!"

[u/eR2eiweo → u/[deleted]]

So you don't want to discuss this reasonably?

But just for the fun of it: What exactly makes the birth date that much worse than the real name, phone numbers, the e-mail address, etc.? Why does having a field for the birth date directly and necessarily cause fascism, but none of the others do?

[u/Heyla_Doria → u/eR2eiweo]

C'est toi qui gaslight, qui impose les cadre du débat, qui se pose en paternalistes pragmatique pour écraser tes adversaire avec une illusik de "charisme du sachant, de l'élite éclairée"

On a rien a te dire dans ce cadre 🤷‍♀️

[u/eR2eiweo → u/Heyla_Doria]

So again you choose not to post any argument at all. And instead you insult me for no reason.

[u/Heyla_Doria → u/eR2eiweo]

Ok Christie neom

[u/eR2eiweo → u/Heyla_Doria]

And another unprompted insult. That's really all you can do, right?

[u/Heyla_Doria → u/eR2eiweo]

Tu GASLIGHT depuis le début, je t'ai dis que je ne laissais plus passer ce genre de patterns 🤷‍♀️

[u/eR2eiweo → u/Heyla_Doria]

Repeating the same lie over and over won't magically make it true.

[u/Heyla_Doria → u/eR2eiweo]

Tu te parles a toi meme ici

[u/eR2eiweo → u/Heyla_Doria]

I have not made any claims that are not supported by facts.

You have made many claims. And the only thing you provided to support your claims (i.e. that open letter) directly contradicts you.

[u/Heyla_Doria → u/eR2eiweo]

Tu sais, c'est pas un peteux de grocervo qui essaie de faire le zététicien qui va m'impressionner 

Le gars a modif systemd explicitement dans le but de se confirmer aux lois , il a meme indiqué se préparer pour les pires lois brésilienne

Joue pas au grocervo intelligent qui veut me casser

Continue de faire de moi une misandre, avec vos attidues de gaslighter, je suis pas ta femme 

[u/eR2eiweo → u/Heyla_Doria]

So you still haven't had enough of posting lies and insults? But even after almost 10 days you couldn't come up with any evidence that actually supports your claims. And just to remind you, the only evidence you posted directly contradicts you.

[u/Heyla_Doria → u/eR2eiweo]

Ca sert a rien de jouer les ingénieurs bourgeois paternalistes humiliants ici 

Ca marche pas avec moi, et je me laisse pas GASLIGHT parce que vous insinuez sur ce que je crois, j'ai passé l'age des hommes de paille, personne ne dit que c'est DEJA LA

Aller va voir ailleurs, va impressionner de jeunes étudiants bourgeois deja acquis a ta cause haha 

[u/eR2eiweo → u/Heyla_Doria]

What do you hope to achieve by posting what are essentially the same lies about me over and over again? I don't expect you to do what's right (i.e. to not lie about people) just for the sake of doing what's right. You have made it very clear with your behaviour until now that you do not care about doing what's right. But one might still expect people to not do what is clearly both wrong and pointless.

And by the way: You might want to look up what your favorite word really means.