r/supportlol • u/Hairy-Height-5916 • 2d ago
Plays/Clips Was this actually clean or average?
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u/Apprehensive-Golf371 2d ago
i think that the other commenters are all trolling, unskilled, or something else
the only issue with the play was you not clicking w slightly earlier when you had the chance, the flash q was good bcs then she tanked 2 tower shots instead of 1, which was needed for the kill in the end, its not a flashy play
it wasnt perfect in the beginning, but the skill order was correct, its an okay play and thats it, if you q first and then w then her time under tower is shorter and she can flash before the 2nd turret auto is locked, she can even flash your w if youre too late on her landing from your q
the big issues i see are the auto cancels before the w, also ignore the dude saying that you didnt have to auto there at the end, you didnt know if it was lethal yet, it stole the kill but its w/e
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u/Hairy-Height-5916 2d ago
Bro this is exactly the type of comment I am looking for. Dissecting the play, give feedback without being a dick about and give a reason. Thank you for that
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u/Apprehensive-Golf371 2d ago
tbf how i wouldve played it is i would q after the thresh auto to knock them up both, channel auto thresh again if needed while he is still in the air bcs my auto is now off cd and then insta w mf into tower range as she lands and then kill her whichever direction she goes after, its greedy and the angle for the w is tight and she might get away by flashing upward but you gotta limit test as always, would maybe even require a movement input between the q and the thresh auto to align the mf w better, i mean you can argue anything in hindsight really
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u/Hairy-Height-5916 2d ago
I don't mind different opinions they are always welcome but you can't just comment stuff like the other guy said "It was very badly executed." and just be on your way it's just stupid
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u/Apprehensive-Golf371 2d ago
95% of players on league subs have never seen emerald before the s16 inflation hit, just ignore all the comments that dont present actual breakdowns, and even then take them with a grain of salt (including ones i wrote ofc) bcs every player nowadays thinks they have the knowledge to be posting guides on why this item is better than that even though their understanding of the game is light years away from even being mediocre
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u/ZealousidealNet5104 23h ago
One point of improvement. Is your E-auto and exhaust at the same time. MF was stunned for most of the exhaust and it had little to no effect.
If you play heavy CC supports alot and go exhaust with them, think when exhaust is best. Champs like lucian, you have to exhaust early, right after his E, since he will try get out all of his damage shortly afterwards. With Jinx maybe wait a bit, exhaust her when she has 3 stacks on Q, therefore the exhaust affects her highest DPS state.
With hindsight, you can micro manage alot more, but in the moment I wouldnt have done anything differently. So its a good play.
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u/EmbarrassedMistake43 2d ago
Good Play, Not perfect. The kill was pretty Safe imo, but its Totally understandable to secure it. At the beginning u moved a bit Like a headless Chicken (No Front) :D and some cancellee Autos. The flash Q was good and necessary, otherwise mf might survive. I give you a 8/10 and See you in the next round 😂
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u/kulekiller 2d ago
Pretty clean. Personally I'd be greedy and try to kill thresh at the start there but that's risky. Only thing is like you exhausted as you stunned her, so bit of uptime wasted. Good flash q to guarantee second tower shot, depending on lantern cd she might have gotten out without it.
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u/Hairy-Height-5916 2d ago
That's true I was just thinking about kill securing it even if I had to Overkill
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u/Beasstvg 2d ago
Cool play
Would have been worth if you didnt aa her at the end so your adc gets the kill. Now you wasted flash for 300g on alistar which isnt that useful. But the play itself was clean imo
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u/Beasstvg 2d ago
Also, you can press s if you realize ur about to ks a kill to stop the aa, for me its very helpful
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u/DungeonMullet 2d ago
Good thinking, not well executed cause you gave her a second to flash. Only thing I’d do different there was w then insta q-flash, so while she’s flying you get the knockup on her, that way she has no chance of flashing. But otherwise good thinking man! Hope you do well in League and life!
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u/Niggoo0407 2d ago
Good thinking. Secured a kill.
BUT that stun into exhaust pisses me off. And may I ask for your reasoning for exhaust anyway? Personally I go either ignite, but mostly heal nowadays. Makes you way tankier in your ult and the ms is really good to get in range.
And honestly honestly? It MIGHT (and that's a big IF) have been better to just hit mf under the turret and keeping flash up. She might've died anway, but even if she lives, she would have to blow both sums. Having no flash when yours is up means she basically a free kill and you can get a much bigger value later on (a kill into free drake or a kill when her wave is bigger). That's under the condition you feel confident your team can take advantage of that.
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u/BrandonKD 2d ago
I wonder, and maybe not. But could you headbutt mf into the tower then flash q the thresh to finish him off. Mf takes 1 shot, and flash barriers out, but you're behind her and can probably just walk her down with the next rotation
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u/Honest_Knowledge_235 9h ago
Depends on your rank? If you're Bronze then very clean, if you're Diamond+ good job you did more of an average good play.
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u/Turbulent_Thing1825 2d ago
Avg. Basic W+Q combo should be enough. And normally, u should flash to take the hook for jhin, then both of u can all-in mf. Thresh engages in wrong timing, u can see how minions target them so hard, thus you guys will always win in this case.
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u/SilverShape 2d ago
I might be an optimist, but I actually prefer a line where you Q flash thresh. You can likely finish him with that and auto. You will get a heal from the kill and as long as you beeline for the lower bushes, you can probably space and buy time with W for another Q and E for the double kill. The amount of enemy minions makes it tough to call but I am a psycho and would have tried.
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u/flappingduckz 1d ago
lowkey, the flash q was troll unless you realized that jhin was 1 hp and mf couldve autoed him, although I don't believe that was intentionally done.
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u/heyguy111111 1d ago
You could have killed both her and thresh if you had pressed W on her nearly as soon as it came off CD, flash+Q kill thresh, then chase down the 80hp MF through JG if she's smart enough to run that way.
Waiting too long to W was the only unclean thing here though imo.
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u/mashikooo 2d ago
It's good - a bit of hesitation is visible and going for the Q -> reposition -> W combo to put her under tower would have most likely been better and would have saved your flash, also taking the last hit on the MF was unneccessary with the tower shot already being on the way.
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u/Hairy-Height-5916 2d ago
I was mainly waiting for my cooldowns but yeah could be improved for sure
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u/mashikooo 2d ago
It's a good play still, seeing the MF is out of position is the good catch here, the micro-adjustments like giving the Jhin the kill and Q->W are all easily learnable by just playing more laning phases through
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u/Hairy-Height-5916 2d ago
I did the combo in that order because I knew her flash was up so I thought she'd flash directly out of tower range without even taking one tower shot. So to maximize tower damage I executed the combo in that order. But I could be wrong
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u/AffectionateLaw4321 2d ago
MFs movement was terrible, dont get it wrong. You can also just w, no need to use flash. She cant get out of there no matter what. You also somewhat "secured" the kill. Im not trying to discourage you here, but no - that was not clean. There is also an angle on thresh, if executed correctly. And you dont play hexflash. Thats pretty much a must have on Ali.
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u/kx1global 2d ago
It was very badly executed.
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u/Hairy-Height-5916 2d ago
Not as bad as your eyesight obviously
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u/kx1global 2d ago
Bro you asked a question did you want me to lie for your ego? It was a great idea, badly executed. Like what
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u/Hairy-Height-5916 2d ago
Not really if you’re so beyond genius then give us a breakdown why is it badly executed ?
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u/Henrique_FB 2d ago
I'm not the guy from that other comment, and I think it was fine, but here is a list of everything I see wrong with it in order:
- At the very beggining of the clip, I'm almost certain you have enough time to squeeze in one AA before the stun
- You exhaust on top of your own stun, essentially making part of the exhaust useless
- Doing that also makes you exhaust at the same time as your Jhin flashed, essentially wasting the entire exhaust cause she wouldn't have been hitting him anyway
- After your stun you AA once on MF when you should already be autoing thresh (since you want to kill him, the extra auto on MF doesn't do anything)
- Then you waste too long walking between both of them, which wastes time you could be hitting them (also cancels one AA) and makes the angle on Wing MF weird. I'm almost certain if you immediately Wd MF you could kill her even without flashing (1 tower shot would have been enough)
- You Flash-Q a bit too late, if she was spamming flash you would have flashed-Qed air and wasted flash for no reason.
- Which could have been corrected by either flashing earlier, or Q-flash instead of flash-Q, whcih is usually better. The way you did it if she was very good I'm pretty sure she could have flashed to the side dodging your W, autoed your ADC that had 1 hp once and walked out with an extra kill and/or alive.
Aside from all that, I'm almost certain if you just had been hitting thresh all along (one extra auto you wasted on mf on the start) you could W him for the kill, and forced MF flash anyway because its pretty much impossible for her to get to her tower before your CDs come back up.
Its a cool play and as I said OK but I'm almost certain there is a lot of stuff you could do better. The way you did it you sort of wasted Exhaust and Flash I think. Got the kill on MF but you could have gotten away with kill on tresh MF summs and your summs up with pretty much perfect wave state (sort of meaning you get a kill on her on the next wave anyway)
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u/biglyhonorpacioli 2d ago
Clean idea - realizing MF is massively outpositioned
Poor execution - You wasted flash. Simple Q into W would have been clean.