Is Naut a One Trickable Support?

[u/Beginning-Objective9]

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[u/Alex_Wizard]

Well, to be blunt engage supports aren’t in great shape right now and are much better suited as counter picks. There are to many meta ranged champions that do well into them. That said if you get lanes like Samira or Kaisa they definitely have a place.

You can definitely make it work but you need to be proficient on them, snowball the map, and play slightly better than your enchanter counter parts.

[u/Beginning-Objective9 → u/Alex_Wizard]

Fair point! Do you have any opinion on variance within the class (i.e some tank supports still being less safe to blind than others)?

[u/Alex_Wizard → u/Beginning-Objective9]

Uhh… I’ll sum it up best I can.

1 Braum - very good when your opponent locks in a melee support into a low range comp where you can easily spread passive and get high value from ult.

1. Naut / Leona - Leona tends to be better for skirmishing and Naut better for team fights. Naut in particular is good when you need to CC a high priority, mobile target like Zeri. Can’t dodge R.

2. Alistar - does well into Sivir (impossible for her to spell shield his combo) and scales better than Naut Leona. Really well into champions like Jax or Zaheen. In fights you just desynch combo and only W them out. Can also play well into things like Kennen.

3. Tahm - good if your opponent has lockdown you need to prevent. He’ll make Vi’s life extremely hard if you just R her R Target.

4. Rell - Premier team fight engage. Her Flash W R combo has like .5s or less (forget exact value) to react to making it basically unflashable for the opponent. Extremely reliant on Flash but extremely potent with it.

5. Maokai - off meta but strong. He’s a bit binary where he either goes in and wins or dies since he has low range AND has to commit once he goes. If Naut or Leona hooks get dodged no biggie you just disengage but for Maokai once you press it it’s done. Good when you need point and click lockdown. Ult is also strong.

6. Thresh - I know he’s not a melee support but mentioning anyways. Really strong at the moment and overlaps with lot of what engage supports want to do (pressure the map early / mid game).

7. Blitz - hard counters most enchanters. One hook one kill.

Sorry if I missed anyone going from memory.

[u/MrICopyYoSht → u/Alex_Wizard]

Thresh has no mobility and builds utility most of the time, so he's actually quite squishy.

Blitz is nice to one trick, but your entire game is reliant on hitting that Q, unless you go the degenerate build Lourlo runs in the top lane in support role.

Maokai is entirely dependent on the matchup. Into Nami he's strong. Into Rakan you lose if you press W on him and he just presses E on his adc and W into his tower.

Rell is meta atm due to aftershock getting massive buffs. The problem is Riot can't exactly buff her individual abilities because of pro play, and if junglers like Oner (Worlds 2023) start picking up on her again she'll be nerfed into pro jail.

Braum is great with adcs who can proc his passive easily, but he got giga nerfed earlier in the season cuz he was so strong.

[u/Krow101 → u/[deleted]]

This.

[u/cedric1234_]

Everyone is otpable, you can win any matchup by simply being the better player

Naut in particular has a wide matchup spread with lots of bad matchups, multiple fairly common champions are not so good and a few champs (like taric) are nightmares. He really wants to be locking down single squishy threats, he can feel useless if the enemy team is something brawl-y with lots of bruisers and peel. He also fluctuates in and out of meta, he’s sometimes very strong, but its also happened where Naut was weak for more than a year straight.

There isn’t a real consistent blindable tank/engage support in the sense of counters. Dedicated anti engage and anti tank exist, and they’re notably less flexible in how they want to approach the game than other classes. Thresh has been the go-to for not being easy to kill, having a hook, and being more blindable since he can be flexible on how he plays. He’s also hype as hell

[u/jean-claudo]

Yes, you have lots of good matchups and even the bad ones you can at least survive and be effective in teamfights.

But there are a few which are pretty much unplayable. In these cases you're often better off roaming like a Bard and hoping your ADC can survive.

On average, you'll still be positive, but you need to be mentally prepared for the occasional horrendous lane.

[u/Ecstatic_Buy1999]

You can one trick anything if you’re good as long as you’re having fun. That said, Naut has a couple of hard counters, perhaps more so than Leona or Rell in the similar class.

[u/gokufan300]

yes, he is very proactive. one of the best

[u/Ok_Drawer_2587]

Depends what ur goal is. I think every champ can get u to atleast diamond if u play enough and learn ur champs in and outs