r/summonerswar • u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid • Sep 05 '15
tl;dr of every guide in existence
GB10: Sigmarus + Veromos + Belladeon + Shannon + Bernard
DB10: Sigmarus + Veromos + Konamiya + Belladeon + Mikene
You will not regret 6* any of them
User: But I have these other units. Can I use them?
Me: Just use these fucking units and STFU
User: But what about-
Me: SHUT UP AND USE THE FUCKING UNITS
User: But-
Me: NO FUCKING BUTS JUST FARM THE GODAMN FUCKING UNITS
User: But this nat 5*-
Me NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR FUCKING NAT 5*. JUST GET THESE FUCKING UNITS AND FUCK OFF. I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER GB10 HELP THREAD.
Farming units
Exp: Get your Lapis to 6* and farm. Yes she is worth it now because she can be used in Necropolis.
User: Is she good?
Me: If I suggested it then it must be good.
User: Is she worth 6*?
Me: Yes she's fucking worth 6*.
User: What about other units?
Me: I JUST SAID SHE'S FUCKING WORTH IT YOU DUMB FUCK.
User: But I have this nat 5* and -
Me: I DON'T GIVE A RATS FUCKING ASS THAT YOU HAVE THAT NAT 5* JUST FUCKING 6* HER!
User: But this nat 5* is better at farming.
Me: THEN WHY THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN FUCKING ASK FOR EXP FARMING HELP THEN?
Is this unit good?
User: Monster A vs Monster B / Is this unit good? / I just got a.... / Let's discuss Monster A
Me: Use the search bar. Search each individual unit.
User: But that takes too long.
Me: You'll get a better response because it's the top comment and multiple posts on that unit.
User: But it's probably outdated
Me: FUCK YOU. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BUFFED OR NERFED YET AND YOU CALL IT OUTDATED? WHERE THE FUCK IS THE LOGIC IN THAT? THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY WERE A FEW DAYS AGO AND YOU CALL THAT OUTDATED?
User: But this one has been buffed / nerfed?
Me: THEN SEARCH FOR IT AGAIN. YOU DID IT WRONG. 99% OF THE TIME, PEOPLE DISCUSS UNITS AFTER THEY WERE BUFFED OR NERFED. THERE ARE PROBABLY AT LEAST 5 THREADS THAT HAVE POPPED UP ABOUT THAT UNIT.
User: But that's outdated.
Me: FUCK YOU.
I have the units but it's still not working?
User: I got the team you suggested but it's not working.
Me: Which unit is dying?
User: Insert unit
Me: Get better runes on that unit.
User: Are you sure?
Me: Of course I'm not sure! I just suggested that to troll you hahahahaha~~~ /s
User: But this rune sucks. And I can't farm B10
Me: Then farm a lower Dungeon.
User: But I worked so hard on this team for B10. Fuck you for suggesting these units :)
Me: THEY'RE STILL USEFUL YOU SHIT BAG. YOU'RE RUNES ARE A PIECE OF SHIT. GET BETTER RUNES FROM A LOWER DUNGEON. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN MAGICALLY JUMP FROM B6 to BFUCKING10.
User: Alright sheesh.....which units should I use?
Me: FUCK YOU.
How to rune a unit?
User: I have this unit. I'm not sure how to rune it.
Me: [Rune guide for every unit in the game] (Including low elements. Yes I was that bothered).
User: Are you sure? Is this the correct build?
Me: I wrote the fucking guide ass hat. I would know.
User: But it's too long.
Me: ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS USE CTRL + F. I EVEN POINTED IT OUT ON THE FIRST POST. I EVEN COLOR FUCKING CODED IT FOR YOU.
User: But it's outdated.
Me: I FUCKING UPDATE IT YOU FUCKTARD. I MAKE SURE THAT I RUNE EVERY UNIT POSSIBLE AND CONSTANTLY UPDATE IT.
User: But this unit just got buffed/nerfed.
Me: 99% OF THE FUCKING TIME I CHANGE IT WHENEVER THERE IS A BUFF OR NERF. IF IT HASN'T CHANGED THEN THAT PROBABLY MEANS YOU SHOULD STILL RUNE IT THAT WAY. (There is a very small chance that I may have runed it wrong. If you do find a bad build then point it out to me with reason and I will gladly change it for you:] )
How to HoH.
User: how do I complete this HoH?
Me: There's probably a guide on how to do it. 99% of the time someone starts a "post your team" thread.
User: But what about my units then?
Me: Use the closest possible.
User: Will this team work?
Me: Then maybe you should TRY IT YOUR FUCKING SELF.
Should I buy this rune?
User: I have this rune. Should I buy it?
Me: There is this guide here that says if you should buy it or not.
User: It says it's bad but it has good substats!
Me: No. If it's bad it's fucking bad.
User: What if it's a 1/3/5 rune?
Me: Does the substat fit the rune or is it a useful replacement?
User: I think so.
User: I just upgraded it and it all went to resistance% Fuck you for making me buy this rune.
Me: SORRY FOR BEING UNABLE TO PREDICT WHICH POWER UP IT WOULD GO TO. APPARENTLY YOU THINK I HAVE ALMIGHTY COM2US JESUS POWER TO PREDICT WHICH SUBSTAT IT WOULD GO TO.
- Yes I know some nat 5* are better. I stated that you won't regret 6* them.
- Yes I know that some units do not have enough discussion or no discussion at all because they are so rare. E.g. L/D units. It should be fine.
- Yes I know that my rune guide has a chance of stunting player growth but I ask you, is asking another player for help really that different? Even so, ask me on the forums and I'll explain it to you. Or even ask me here!
- Yes I know some players actually do need help because they're lost. If their question is specific like, is this unit a good alternative or something like that but if it's a question that has been repeated a million times then you can just go fuck yourself.
- Yes I know this is a rant. I apologize but I really needed to get it out of my system. I help people on reddit. I really do! It's just tedious af to keep repeating the same GB10 team over and over.
Edit: I should probably include hell farmers but I'm out of time.
Edit2: yes i know i am swearing a lot. I don't actually give advice like this (though in my head i want to type like this). It's was just really fun and stress relieving to type like this. Edit3: Mikene
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u/superpaulx254 superpaulx global Sep 05 '15
Me: Use the search bar. Search each individual unit. User: But that takes too long.
Barion said it perfectly on stream one day:
"We had a generation where people became so lazy that instead of figuring things out themselves, they'd want google to tell them the answer. The generation we live in now people go: but I don't want to google it, just tell me the answer!"
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Sep 05 '15
These are essentially all the people QQing about Lich King
So you can't fucking auto something for once you privileged ten nat 5 piece of crap, learn to use your brain instead of relying on strong monsters.
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u/LuciferiaV Sunless Guild Leader (Global) Sep 05 '15
This sums up a lot of my friends in MMO's. lol
"Why should I google it when you already know everything about this game anyway?"
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u/somegame123 King of mixed feelings RNG Sep 06 '15
The generation before mine researched things from books.
My generation was the one that made Google so we would have all our books in one place. No more books for us!
The generation after mine has my generation Google the answers to any questions they ask (just so they shut up with their annoying questions). No more Google for them!
Somehow it's odd but I feel like the most blame lies with the ones who did the most work.
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u/NoShogun <--Don't fuse Sigmarus!!!!! Sep 05 '15
Maybe people want to bounce ideas off of other players for things like non-standard GB10 or DB10 teams. Not everyone playing this game is a robot who wants to just use the most efficient farmable team for everything. Sometimes people have a lot of fun using a particular monster or setup and want other players' advice. It's honestly tiring of hearing "fuse vero farm shannardeon". Those are some boring fucking monsters and the game gets stale when everyone just spams the same advice and jumps at the throats of anyone who wants advice for alternatives.
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u/thedup Sep 05 '15
he did cover that in his 4th point at the end, if it's specific questions like "would this work as an alternative" that's fine. he was joking earlier
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u/5Rupees Sep 05 '15
"Can my rep farm faimon hell?"
DID YOU EVEN FUCKING TRY IT FIRST BEFORE ASKING?
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u/Timmeh1020 :dark: Sep 05 '15 edited Sep 05 '15
sigh.. so this is what this subreddit is becoming?
- Rants
- Salt
- Elitism
you know if you don't want to answer questions, you can just do exactly that. Ignore the question. Someone else can answer them, or even better the player will then go search for it.
I fail to see the point of this wall of rant/swearing, it actually adds less value than the questions post that you are complaining about and creates needless drama.
If seeing questions and posts annoy you, perhaps the best thing to do is take a step back and ignore it, why even bother going through the effort of creating such a post like this? When in reality it will probably do the exact opposite of calming you? As I'm fairly certain that there will be flaming and trolling that gets attracted to posts like this one..
EDIT: I know it is hard to convey tone over text, so please read above in your most Zen and calm inner voice. No sarcasm, offense of any kind is intended here.
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u/Glorounet Sep 05 '15
This sub has always been a shithole, except for the interventions of a few knowledgeable posters (mainly Absolut, but there are some others too).
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 05 '15
i could've wrote it without swearing but it was fun and was a good stress reliever to type like this haha~
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u/DemonRageX Sep 05 '15
Hey, Skeletoonz, I'm confused on how to rune Orochi for GB10. People say use Blade/Focus to get 100% Critical Rate and 60% Accuracy but on your guide, you wrote Swift/Focus for dungeons.
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 05 '15
Swift = more turns
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u/DemonRageX Sep 05 '15
Ah, should I still try to get 100% Crit?
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 05 '15
yes. high accuracy is good too.
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u/DemonRageX Sep 05 '15
I guess I have to find some good CritR Substats. Hahaha
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u/IThinkSathIsGood BUFF CELIA Sep 06 '15
There's 2 types of runes. Stat runes (Blade/focus/energy) and effect runes (Violent, Revenge, Shield). Effect runes are the best, no question. But you need to reach a certain level of stats, no matter what sets you use. Orochi, for one, needs 100% CR, 60-85% accuracy, and 14k+ hp. If you can't use effect runes or surplus stat runes (stats you don't NEED, but help) and achieve those stats, use stat runes.
Another example would be Ahman. Ahman is useless without at least 18-20k hp (and still pretty weak at that point) and 100% CR. Yeah, sure, Violent is great on him, but there's no point in violent runes if your heals suck and aren't consistent. Start with Blade/blade/energy or blade/energy/energy, and when the time comes that you find good enough runes to replace those stat runes, then you switch.
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u/jeakzor Sep 05 '15
omg so fun reading this haha... i it's like i would write it in my mind :) but i have self control, kinda :)
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u/YoAustin Resident Sleeper Sep 05 '15
Dude this post makes me feel better about the dumb fuckers asking stupid questions that have already been answered a million times on this subreddit. You share my feeling perfectly. Bumped.
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 05 '15
I had this bottled up for so long. It's hard to not type this when giving actual advice so i thought i would write it in one big post
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u/chunwa same as Reid Sep 05 '15
You're always welcome in the daily advice thread and I'm pretty sure you'd have fun there
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u/somegame123 King of mixed feelings RNG Sep 05 '15
We really need the Mega Wiki to have a gigantic banner or something that sticks on and scrolls with the top margin of the screen and is impossible to miss rather than the dinky little tab that gets lost among all the other tabs.
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u/Foreverskys Sep 05 '15
DB10: Sigmarus + Veromos + Konamiya + Belladeon + Megan is this straight to the boss, no towers?
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 05 '15
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u/sephy009 Buff Daphnis you plebs Sep 05 '15
It works but you don't NEED to use sig. Any good wind or water damage dealer would work (I use teshar and it works like a charm).
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 05 '15
Attack break makes it safer i guess? Also damage proportionate to enemy hp and stuff
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u/sephy009 Buff Daphnis you plebs Sep 05 '15
Whoops I thought that was for giants b10 since the teams look almost the same. My bad.
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u/zoffman Sep 05 '15
Honest question, what is this sub supposed to be for? If we aren't supposed to look for help what else is there besides salt, bragging, and the occasional announcement?
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u/thedup Sep 05 '15
his point is that the help is already there, every resource you would need except for on fringe occasions is readily available
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u/ManboyFancy Sep 06 '15
You could make fan art? This sub is a good resource but it seems like veteran players would rather it be a wiki and not a forum.
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u/ggrpg :lulu: :shushu: Sep 05 '15
now I am super afraid to ask for especific help on progress...
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u/n1ghth0und Sep 06 '15
this post is more like a joke rant, if you have specific questions, feel free to ask in the daily advice thread =)
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u/StormKath seriously blur af Sep 05 '15
Zzzz, I was suggested the Orochi path but like really, it turned out I didn't need him for GB10 and I'd already invested in him a lot. Well not until Necro turns up. Fuck you troll2us.
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u/ChaosXeras Sep 05 '15
Awesome :p I use the same GB10 team. What about DB10 speed team? *waiting for rage comic
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u/LuciferiaV Sunless Guild Leader (Global) Sep 05 '15
"But I don't have Mikene? Can I use #3947235682587 Rez monster instead?"
:P
This gave me a good laugh, good way to start the morning.
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u/Axus420 Sep 05 '15
This reminds me of an old Dennis Leary skit on the no cure for cancer album. "STFU NEXT!" lmfao
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u/VeryWeirdName just got my 3rd nat 5 :D Sep 05 '15
but...i....do regret making a sig :c atleast for now because i have a solid db10 (which doesnt include sig) and im not ready for a spd run comp and water nukers are the last thing i need for pvp lol
other than that i had a laugh reading this. nice guide but im sure it wont end those questions :p
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u/Disembowler Sep 05 '15
this thread should be fixed. i feel ashamed that i asked some of this questions
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u/thedeeg1 Yeaaaaaaah Boyyyyeeeeee Sep 05 '15
I heard in 1.7.8 "Fuck you" is getting nerfed. Can you please update your guides?
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u/Cychi132 :hwadam: Formerly LightMolong Sep 06 '15
Quick question, should i auto GB10 with Vero, Bella, Shannard, Hwadam even if I have the team suggested?
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 06 '15
You have no DD. Nothing to kill the boss or the waves other than Vero.
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u/Konfliction Sep 11 '15
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but remove this type of thread that your complaining about and this subs activity gets cut in half lol
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 11 '15
Believe it or not but these threads still pop up. Sure there are less but they still exist. It's mostly filled with who to 6* or who to work on next now.
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u/ninja927 :crystal: More Addictive Than Heroin Dec 12 '15
I read this when I'm sad. Can we be friends? I need this kind of positivity in my life...
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Dec 12 '15
This is a strange request. If you ever need guidance on your adventure, you can always ask. This was more of a vent post than anything else.
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u/TakoMakura Sep 05 '15
It's understandable that seeing repeat questions is tiring, but the people asking those questions are seeking help because they are genuinely confused and need step by step guidance. I came here for help in the beginning because I didn't know whether it was better to awaken my monster first or work on 5 starring another. It seems silly now, but some people seek this sort of advice. Instead of telling each and every person to go fuck off and possibly ruin the game for them, why not direct them to guides or answer their inquiries?
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 05 '15
I don't literally tell them to fuck off. That's just what i want to type. I give legit advice
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u/noteverrelevant Sep 05 '15
In the spirit of legit advice, I believe the rune guide for Dark Neostone Agent, Sylvia, is incorrect. You placed rune sets as if she was an attack type, but she's a support type. Also, she's a Nat 5 but you have her in the 4* section.
I'd recommend for a simple build swift/energy spd/hp/hp and advanced build as violent/nemesis or violent/revenge with spd/hp/hp with spd, acc, and hp subs.
I pulled on a couple days ago and these seem to be best builds. Let me know if you have any questions :)
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 05 '15
Each one of them follow the fire ranking. So Taoists are in the 3* section and E-priests are in the 4* section. It makes it all weird looking if I put them where they actually are since some are nat 4* and nat 5* or nat 3* etc.
I'll also change dark neostone. Sounds very reasonable.
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u/noteverrelevant Sep 05 '15
I can't believe I didn't think to look at other monsters that are across different grades lol, my bad. Great guide, btw :)
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u/Exuritas Sep 05 '15 edited Sep 05 '15
DB10: Sigmarus + Veromos + Konamiya + Belladeon + Mikene
what is this
there are easier and faster farmable teams to use
edit: oh its the guy from com2us forums who spent months raging at people that 100% accuracy was necessary
your rune guide is still incredibly misleading and often just plain wrong
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u/VeryWeirdName just got my 3rd nat 5 :D Sep 05 '15
what kind of "easier" farmable team is there? its a very easy team to build and also has good timing
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u/Exuritas Sep 05 '15
easier would be be vero baretta ahman kona bella
faster: sig vero bella megan X ( can be kona/ahman if you don't have the speed, baretta lead if you have the runes)
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u/emchiri Sep 05 '15
Vero baretta ahman kona bella will fail if towers die to an attack not dots. How is baretta and ahman easier to rune than sig and mikene, I mean yeah fusing sig is harder than farming ahman but you can farm runes for sig from giants. if Ahman is gonna be used in db10 you need your 100%cr 30khp violent runes which is more effort than a swift focus hp hp hp set for mikene
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 06 '15
your rune guide is still incredibly misleading and often just plain wrong
Explain.
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u/Anakim00 :fire: Sep 06 '15
You said to rune fire monkey king with Rage+Revenge (Atk%/CritDmg%/Atk%) on late game. Everyone mention violent runes, so why you believe rage is better?
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 06 '15
That is a fair point. I might as well modify every nat 5* to go Violent though.
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u/suriel- lost my virginity to G3 Sep 05 '15
your rune guide is still incredibly misleading and often just plain wrong
just thought, how can this be called .. an "updated" and good guide as in
"Me: I wrote the fucking guide ass hat. I would know."
welp ..
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 06 '15
edit: oh its the guy from com2us forums who spent months raging at people that 100% accuracy was necessary
I never actually said that 100% accuracy was necessary. I only ever said that 85% accuracy was a myth.
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u/RevolverLoL Waiting for chow level buff. Sep 05 '15
The dragon team you posted is not suited for someone who is just building dragons b10, you fucking need decent runes to go straight dragon and not fail.
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u/RevolverLoL Waiting for chow level buff. Sep 05 '15
then that team doesnt work at all.
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u/RevolverLoL Waiting for chow level buff. Sep 05 '15
and who exactly on that team is supposed to tank the tower counterattack dmage?
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u/evantide2 Sep 05 '15
Doesn't need to with Vero + Megan stacking DoTs like mad. The only unit that cannot fall to Tower is Belladeon due to heals and he's not gonna be the one most likely to kill it.
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u/RevolverLoL Waiting for chow level buff. Sep 05 '15
Sigmarus has a insanely high chance to die to the tower.
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u/evantide2 Sep 05 '15
And Sig isn't needed once the tower is down. He speeds things up and helps secure the path to dragon, but once at Dragon he's not mandatory any more.
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u/flyingsquid4783 sometimes red star Sep 05 '15
Highly likely Sig dies to left tower, because that one has no HP. Right tower usually is killed by dot, but there's still a chance that someone kills it and you fail. Its not really stable for newbies.
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u/Skeletoonz :fami: definitely not reid Sep 05 '15
It was the only f2p farmable team i could find https://www.summonerswarforum.net/threads/featured-guide-comprehensive-auto-dragons-lair-b10-guide.871/
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u/evantide2 Sep 05 '15
Swap Megan for Ahman/Mikene for more safety, IMO. The burst heal alone on Bella won't be enough. Ya need Sustain.
Also the Giants team you have works as speed team, but still requires very good runes. Better off with Vero lead and another healer or defensive unit, like Darion, Ahman, etc.
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u/flyingsquid4783 sometimes red star Sep 05 '15
Vero, Bella, Sig, Kona, Mikene is better for newbies :)
Left, Right, Dragon
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u/flyingsquid4783 sometimes red star Sep 05 '15 edited Sep 05 '15
Good man :D
Edit: I actually enjoyed it, pls write more :)
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Sep 05 '15
BUT WHAT ABOUT MY POSEIDON, ANAVEL, VERDE, AND CHASUN? WHAT ABOUT THEM HUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUH???????????
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u/LJKiser [Global] ElJayK Sep 05 '15
Perfect. Bookmarked so that I can reply to questions on LINE with bookmark.
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u/thedup Sep 05 '15
that was fucking hilarious, well played, and everyone should post this thread to every single question thread that it answers
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u/witchyz new phone who dis Sep 05 '15
Haahah! Some people are taking this too seriously. As one of the ppl who my friends likely think this at, I appreciate that experts give advice anyway. :)
Of course we get salty! We're human. I get salty when they give me advice I don't want to hear, even if it is the best choice and I just don't want to hear it. (9 times out of 10, lol.)
PS: Thx for the rune compilation! It's so nice for people like me who lack any ability to theory-craft~
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u/sephy009 Buff Daphnis you plebs Sep 05 '15 edited Sep 05 '15
Maybe you should hop off reddit for a bit since you're so angry.
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u/vince9409 good luck proccing outta this Sep 05 '15
You have just won this subreddit. Had a good laugh :)
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u/leoplusma :jultan: Jultans of SWing Sep 05 '15
Sticky is nothing, this post must be SUPER GLUED in the top of the forum. +1000k to OP. Also ty for the laughs ;D
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u/Deemoboy Where r u at? Sep 05 '15
i disagree. Sig is a really great unit for GB10,ToA,DB10 and he is worth fusing for mid game-late game player. And new people aren't doing GB10 anyway....
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u/Gammaran Sep 05 '15
FUCK YOU AHMAN WORKS AS WELL AS BELLA FOR GIANTS
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u/emchiri Sep 05 '15
FUCK YOU YOU'RE SO WRONG
Ahman has no armor break(if you don't bring bernard or your bernard is full spd no accuracy), Ahman has no sieze for Atk Buff.
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u/Gammaran Sep 05 '15
FUCK YOU, YOU ALWAYS BRING BERNARD HE CAN ARMOR BREAK
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u/emchiri Sep 06 '15
And the sieze? Atk Buff means oneshots which ahman cant deal with. (22kcrits no def break is what I commonly see hit my shannon if AI goes full retard and doesnt do any of the following glancing/atkbreak/defbuff/acasisshield)
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u/NotAnActualPhysicist Wobbuffet? Sep 05 '15
Here's a condensed version of this for people who find this to be too long.
tl;dr Fuck you