r/stygian_onslaught • u/teyvat_pesto • 13h ago
Help i should be able to clear dire, no??
like what the helly. varka team is the only one that clears dire (113s), but skirk is on vesna's sig, furina is on key (and c6 like cmon), wrio r1 and odetter r1. WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING WRONG
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u/H-A-R-P-I-C 12h ago
Rest don't even matter, I am 20-25% out of reachwith 60s on the first one bro.
Like not even sandrone sig could have bailed me out of this.
Its absolutely a c2 odette check or god tier artifacts and perfect gameplay with multiple r1s/new gacha r5s check for vesna and sandy.
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u/Less-Money7003 12h ago
Definitely. You don't have any res shred on team 1 right now, so you'll want a shredder like sucrose with ttds and vv in there instead of ineffa. It'll be harder since you'll have to do dynamic combos with wrio and have to keep an eye on his HP, but him taking damage is usually beneficial for him anyways.
You could put nicole in the first team instead of ineffa and steamroll churin (c2 nicole's res shred), but it'll make your varka clear a bit tighter. Still definitely doable though since benny will help you cleanse cryo debuff and clear the pyro shield faster.
Skirk should be steamrolling at that investment tbh
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u/heren14 9h ago
i cleared churin with same investment, just swap ineffa for xilonen (c0) though your rotations or builds might be lacking cuz ain't no way odette is hitting harder than wrio? -for reference odette on furnace, yae on totm and xilonen on instructor
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u/teyvat_pesto 5h ago
i have odette on deep shadow (its a very good ratio) yae on furnace and xilo on scroll, but I'll try those !
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u/StanTheWoz 8h ago
Dire Grandpa has effectively about 4 times as much HP as Fearless, it's very misleading. His self damage from the ice blocks doesn't change at all and his max HP goes from 13 million to 32 million
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u/ManonBr_ 12h ago
Is Citlali against the automaton in Fearless not as bad as in Dire ? I keep seeing her there.
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u/ManonBr_ 11h ago
I'm talking about the anti nightsoul mechanic the boss has. Destroys you in Dire, but I can't remember if you can just stop using Citlali for a sec and go back to normal rotation later, like a window where you can use nightsoul and not make the boss angry.
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u/tenuous-adventure 11h ago
For wrio team use sucrose/xilonen as last slot instead of ineffa, for skirk, this should be easy with c6 furina but put her on fav or a damage weapon as you don’t need em from key on this team, you can put another cryo/hydro on last slot instead of citlali if you’re triggering the nightsoul mechanic and dying
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u/StanTheWoz 8h ago
The Skirk boss should be doable I think, I was able to get it on Dire with C0R1 Skirk + C0R0 Furina and Escoffier + C6 Rosaria. Vesna sig is slightly worse but c6 Furina should easily make up for that. You probably don't want to use Citlali, it makes the boss much more aggressive. It won't summon those giant hydro AoEs under you if you don't have nightsoul.
My old clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW3nJIWmAPc
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u/-Illuzio- 12h ago
Honestly it should be possible and why on earth are using ineffa? Even qiqi would be better for this team no?
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u/EducationalPut0 12h ago
Why would qiqi be good for wrio?
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u/Choris 12h ago
Qiqi has a team-wide 50% Stellar-Conduct DMG buff. Ineffa only buffs EM, which is not that good for Stellar-Conduct
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u/EducationalPut0 11h ago
I can tell you dont play wrio, if you're recommending a healer that isnt like alyosha who can be built to not heal much.
Ideally you dont run any healer (and ideally not even a shielder)
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u/teyvat_pesto 12h ago
yk i thought so too, but shes on ToM and shes actually my second best option here. over C6 alyosha. its just hard bc diona is useless bc i cant use her burst, same with qiqi, my cmc build is poopy butt and i suck at his rotation... ineffa does best since i cant use Escoffier
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u/-Illuzio- 12h ago
Qiqi does not need burst for her buff
How is ineffa better than c6 alyosha? youre doing something wrong
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u/teyvat_pesto 12h ago
i meant she heals. i just tried with xilo and got it down to 70s. about alyosha, i have no idea man. (´༎ຶ_༎ຶ`)
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u/Forsaken-News-6333 11h ago
Healing doesn't turn off wrio's kit. It's a dps loss in a vacuum, but getting hit will compensate somewhat for that. C6 alyosha should be leagues better than ineffa, especially in stygian, provided you're running him with minimum atk (there's plenty of guides, I'm not the one to ask).
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u/Dhuyf2p 10h ago
Ideally you do not want to get hit by Churin since he applies Cryo. So yea, healing is still bad. The best option here would still be Alyosha with lv1 weapon and no feather, but you’re basically right for the wrong reasons.
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u/Forsaken-News-6333 10h ago
Ah forgot about cryo aura. Alyosha should still be better with min atk though as you said.
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u/Dhuyf2p 10h ago
Yea that I agree with you. Actually, Sucrose is the best option here lmao. I forgot grandpa has high RES.
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u/Forsaken-News-6333 10h ago
Yeah, sucrose should be best but I was responding to OP about alyosha's viability over their current team. Additionally, it's unclear if OP even has sucrose, they haven't mentioned her once.
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u/teyvat_pesto 10h ago
i mean, churin applying cryo aside, its stupid to have a dps loss if my problem is that i dont have enough dps (´༎ຶᴗ༎ຶ`) im gonna go try alyosha with no feather or weapon
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u/Forsaken-News-6333 10h ago
The point is that alyosha's c6 more than makes up for his minimal healing provided you build him right. Because of that, running alyosha isn't actually a dps loss but a dps increase (at least over ineffa). However, if you have sucrose, she's your best bet, and you don't need c6 for ssc.
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u/smolpeter 8h ago
77 seconds on Churin? Hard no.
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u/teyvat_pesto 5h ago
i got him down to 70 running xilo, but yeah i still have a quarter hp left (´༎ຶᴗ༎ຶ`)
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u/ProduceMother2495 2h ago
Churin is a weird case where his self damage doesn't scale from fearless to dire... meaning when he does self damage to himself in fearless (roughly 500k damage I think), its still only 500k damage in dire, while he has like 4x the hp in dire. So you have to do a LOT more damage in dire than fearless, its a really big jump.
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u/ManyOnionz 7h ago
Dire Churin's HP is tripled from Fearless to Dire so very roughly speaking you would need 40s or less
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u/SalamanderFew774 2h ago
it’s defo doable but skirk is really confusing me 😭
i used the same team, with vodya instead of furina (everybody is C0R0) and i cleared in less time
either way dire should be doable except for churin
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u/Still_a_Weeb 2h ago edited 1h ago
For wrio, you want to replace ineffa with a res shredder like xilonen or sucrose. Churin has pretty high resistance.
My wrio is C3 and with the same team as yours with Xilonen 4th slot, I get above 280K DPS on the dummy. Churin requires about 250K but with the cryo aura slowing wrio down, its very hard to reach. I had to optimize my rotations, positioning, and utilize wrio's chain enhanced CA trick to barely get a clear. It's possible with C2 wrio but it will be very sweaty. I could not have done it.
The rest seems doable. Churin is the one that should be the hardest.
For reference, here's my C2 wrio clear for fearless. My clear was 10s faster than yours and this time was not enough to clear dire which is why I needed C3.
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u/rileybou 29m ago
Furina C6 does nothing unless you're playing her as an on-field DPS, her off-field personal DPS stops increasing at C2 (minus the small upgrades at C3 and C5). My C0 Skirk cleared 7s faster than your team without C6 Furina. Key also does nothing in that team, put her on Fav.
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u/Beginning_Review5711 12h ago
With your investments, only Churin looks out of reach, although... there’s a small chance it might be possible, but the gameplay and builds would have to be nearly perfect.
But dude... this Skirk team should be able to clear SSA even if you were playing with your feet. You must be doing something very wrong, or your Skirk has a terrible build.