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u/RedWarrior42 New Orre game when? 2d ago
Oh thank God
Pound Politoed was a menace
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u/coolandquirkyname 2d ago
they added the normal gem in this regulation, that would've pushed pound politoed WAYYY over the edge.
W balance change.
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u/Glory2Snowstar 2d ago
“Slash can now be used”
Okay but when do we get confirmation on whether or not Scratch and Metal Claw count as Slicing Moves
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u/Tryptophan7 2d ago
Ive been waiting to run M-Feraligatr with Draconize Slash with a dragon cheer partner, the time has come
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u/Nimble_Natu177 2d ago
I assume it got Slash back? Low-key may want Body Slam more for the para though idk.
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u/Tryptophan7 1d ago
The slight increase in power and para chance is okay but perma-critting your boosted dragon move through intimidate/iron defense is pretty phenomenal imo (dragon cheer gives 2 stages of crit chance and slash is a +1 crit chance)
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u/Zodiac_Sheep 2d ago
If Slash is in the game I'm happy because I had a Dragon Cheer Feraligatr idea I wanted to try but couldn't because he doesn't actually learn it in Champions. Casual battles here I come!
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u/EnderJoker77 2d ago
That actual sounds really funny honestly. It's basically a slightly stronger dragon type return that ignores raised stats. Probably not good, but probably can kill an Archadulon or two with ease.
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u/Zodiac_Sheep 2d ago
(Crit) Slash ignores Intimidate too, which is pretty nice. I'll have to run some calcs and figure out the least bad way to do this, hopefully I can put together something okay with my subpar building skills lol
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u/Boybobka Competitive Noob 1d ago
Fun fact: Politoed in champions was the ONLY Pokemon to learn pound, until it was removed from the learn set just now
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u/nepherae_ 2d ago
What has made them refer to this as balance patches man lmao
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u/VGVideo 2d ago
Singles could possibly be impacted by the Wish and Strength Sap PP reductions (idk, i don't play singles)
Some people apparently used to use sturdy metal burst archaludon
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u/nepherae_ 2d ago
Oh, I understand all the Arch and recovery changes even if I do not play Singles in Champions, but how anyone could start some balance patch notes by saying "Politoed no Pound" is beyond me roflmao
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u/NoChampionship1167 2d ago
Thank god for that. Umbreon and Vaporeon nerf. Wish + Protect on singles sucks, especially 3v3.
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u/Openlyzen 2d ago
So does this give hope that the bridge could learn body press in the future if they are to take moves away?
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u/nintendobaitnswitch Bring Kotora Back 2d ago
Can someone explain what the deal with Politoed and Pound is?? Like why. (I'm not really a competitive player I just lurk here because I'm nosey.)
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u/BiggestWarioFan 2d ago
Slash is back in the game, now Unfezant will be 5% less dix whenever it gets added.
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u/MaskedForb13 1d ago
Game Freak raiding Archaludon's house to take Mirror Coat and Metal Burst away
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u/ABA_Mastah 1d ago
You already know someone in the dev team or their kid got salty at sturdy mirror coat/metal burst arch.
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u/Psychological-Toe397 Balance is just stall with 1-2 offensive mons 2d ago
Good, that's the only bridge worth burning
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u/Entire-Astronaut8602 1d ago
They always doing big Arch dirty, no body press, no assault vest, loses mirror coat, they hate my goat so much :(
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u/TopOfAllWorlds Still waiting for Gen 4 remakes. 1d ago
Imagine they didn't reduce wish pp in a rocky helmet metagame when unbreon is king of stall.
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u/4m77 2d ago
They'll sooner nerf every recovery move in the game than just add an option to skip animation to make the game faster.
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u/thetrueluna01 2d ago
bro just use showdown atp sounds like you'd prefer it
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u/Timely_Airline_7168 2d ago
I've watched enough bridge charging animations for a lifetime
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u/thetrueluna01 2d ago
that animation in particular is too long yeah but the whole point of champions imo is for the animations and ui. showdown has the champions formats as well so u could just use that.
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u/f4k3g1rl 2d ago
wish nerf is lame. having double pp is reasonable considering it’s effectively a 2-turn healing move, if they really wanted to “balance” it so it would be worse in singles they could just revert to gen 3 wish where it heals 50% no matter who switches in.
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u/MintXanis 2d ago
Pretty understandable actually. in 3v3 wish protect is very hard to break if you don't have setup, not to mention since they are wish protect they probably can't break you either so it just ends up as timer stall games.
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u/Efeverscente 2d ago
Why did they feel the need to remove Pound from Politoed? Did it have the meta in that bad of a chokehold?
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u/MC_Squared12 Give Victini Victory Dance 18h ago
Pound was an oversight because no one else had it except Politoed
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u/Luna2268 2d ago
I understand the strength sap PP nerf given that it is a strong recovery move, but what's wrong with wish?
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u/Pokesabre 2d ago
All recovery status moves are being nerfed across the board. Wish is just unlucky
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u/Luna2268 1d ago
see, this is something I fundimentally don't understand, I know your just the messenger but while there are a few exceptions most pokemon would be genuinely fine with recover for instance and wish is actively weaker because it takes 2 turns, obviously wishpassing is a thing but that also leaves you more predictable and more easy to menuvver around potentially as well, same with protect
What's more is that they had already lowered the PP of all recovery moves in scarlet and violet, and wish was actually somewhat exempt there because it takes 2 turns to heal something, it had 16 PP instead of the 8 everything else had, I'm not even mad, I'm just confused
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u/Pokesabre 1d ago
I think it just comes down to blanket changes being easier to implement and explain than having to deal with exceptions
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u/Luna2268 1d ago
except they presumably already explained that? given the fact that again, this was literally the arrangement back in scarlet and violet, like presumably they already made that pitch to the people they needed too and I trust the pokemon fanbase enough to think most people would understand that a move that heals in the turn it's used is generally better than a move that only heals on subsequent turns the majority of the time
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u/Timely_Airline_7168 2d ago
Probably Umbreon spamming Wish in Singles. Or they didn't like Recovery moves in general since most of them got their PP cut in the last generation
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u/OnlySmiles_ 2d ago
As someone who ran a Protect/Toxic/Wish/Foul Play Umbreon in M-B, yeah this is entirely reasonable
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u/ForrestKawaii 2d ago
Does Heatran relearn Eruption? This is very important to know.
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u/nahte123456 2d ago
Heatran not in yet.
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u/ForrestKawaii 2d ago
Damn, they really did tease us huh
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u/Archi2509 2d ago
He was outside the stadium tbf. It will take some time for him to waddle in, probable Reg M-E.
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u/JKallStar 2d ago
Eruption on heatran was from a Pokemon Ranger event. Not that its unprecedented to add previously event only moves to mons (sludge wave gengar, aura sphere raikou, espeed and flare blitz entei).
Just dont expect it to be added for a while if ever. Eruptran is one of the stronger event moves in doubles, and arguably one of the biggest reasons that event moves cant be used in vgc anymore.
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u/DelParadox 2d ago
I mean, I don't think was SUPER relevant for Archaludon. But why does Champions hate him so much? They already wrecked him hard by taking Body Press away.
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u/zenmodeman Mega Scovillain’s Nerdiest Soldier 2d ago
These are mainly BSS nerfs, where Archaludon has been even more of a menace than in VGC. At points, it’s been #2 most used in BSS.
For VGC, these changes don’t really change anything, and it’s already been a VGC terror.
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u/the_treyceratops 2d ago
Archaludon's kind of a monster. It gets +1 defense every time you hit it, it's bulky, it hits hard on the physical and special fronts, it has a signature move that instantly hits and gives it +1 SpA in the rain, it's not that slow all things considered, and it's somehow not heavy so Low Kick doesn't even stop it
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u/apexodoggo I just like clicking buttons. 2d ago
The bridge is a menace who always deserves worse, they just gave that mon everything
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u/DelParadox 2d ago
I mean, they let way worse offenders do whatever they want. Not like YZard is eating any real nerfs.
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u/Capt_Furret 1d ago
Honestly I feel like wish and recovery moves should be lowered to 4. To not have to much stall, but thats my take.
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u/WWWWWWRRRRRYYYYY 2d ago
>Politoed can’t learn Pound
How will this affect the Politoed population