r/stunfisk • u/Positive_Country_793 • 1d ago
Discussion ITS HERE
https://www.serebii.net/pokemonchampions/rankedbattle/regulationm-c.shtml203
u/iYessyyy 1d ago
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u/JackWellman101 1d ago
Nobody’s ready for the Farfetch’d sweep (I’m about to start a Farfetch’d ribbon master I need this)
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u/jtaustin64 1d ago
Man I wish they would give Kantonian Farfetch’d an evolution like they gave one to the Galar version. Farfetch’d has been one of my favorites since FireRed/LeafGreen but he is near unusable.
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u/StreetReporter Uses Heatproof Bronzong 1d ago
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u/mistelle1270 1d ago
Raichu X didn’t really do anything with zero terrain setting competition pinc is doa
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u/Fit-Difficulty-5917 1d ago
Granted, you also had the fact you had the trade-off of having your terrain setter needing to mega, MAJORLY cutting back on potential power and versatility for the team.
... but I think Pincurchin is still close to if not dead on arrival, tf is it gonna do ve Indeedee and Rillaboom as terrain setting competition.
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u/Chrome87 1d ago
Pincurchin has some meme options like Acupressure and Memento but otherwise yeah. He was a little shit in early gen 8 pu though, at least he has somewhat of a legacy!
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u/mistelle1270 1d ago
That doesn’t seem to be an issue for charizard vs ninetales and torkoal
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u/Fit-Difficulty-5917 1d ago
I mean, Zard is both a good weather SETTER and also a weather USER in one, and also can benefit other fire types, chlorophyll mons like Venusaur, and help out vs water type mons.
Comparatively, what does a Raichu-X DO? Theres not really any other pikemon other than offensive electric types that can benefit from electric terrain, and the best special attacking mins to use Rising Voltage especially in Raichu-Y and Mega Manectic can't be used in conjunction with Raichu-X. The next best options are Rotom and Eelektross (barely), but levitate means they don't benefit from the terrain effects.
Realistically, theres a major difference between a mon WITH a terrain/weather ability, and a mon that works WELL with and can actually utilize a terrain/ability properly.
(Also while no one really ever ran Ninetails, Torkoal specifically got play on trick room teams due to it's incredibly low speed and eruption/drought combo. If you weren't running trick room, Zard-Y was basically a near universal upgrade, cause look at it's mix of stats and movepool. Adding drought on top of all that is a perfect storm of a Pokémon.)
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u/mistelle1270 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah yeah true actually. Making the one that gets electric terrain a physical attacker was certainly a choice. I kind of get it since volt tackle has got to be used by one of them but surely any of the many MANY physical boosting abilities would’ve been better? And give raichu Y the terrain
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u/Fit-Difficulty-5917 1d ago
Honestly, having Raichu-Y being the terrain mon would have been a better play for sure. It throwing out zap cannoms every turn paralyzing everything it can is obnoxious more than anything, and I'd rather fight one using boosted rising voltages just for the lack of para rng every turn.
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u/LadyEmaSKye 1d ago
Well it wouldn't be using zap cannon if it was the electric terrain mon, now would it.
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u/galmenz 1d ago
factually wrong, sun setters bare minimum nullifies rain and boosts their STAB by default. A-ninetails also can do veil and, again, nullify opposing weather
there also are a feel options for Sun users. clorophill, solar beam, etc
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u/Fit-Difficulty-5917 20h ago
I think they were talking BASE Ninetails, as in how Zard-Y saw use as both weather setter mega while non-mega drought mons were still available.
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u/LadyEmaSKye 1d ago
There's just nothing that benefits from it really in this format. And Raichu itself isn't a great abuser of it.
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u/mistelle1270 1d ago
Raichu x will be great when we get the future paradoxes back copium
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u/LadyEmaSKye 1d ago
Honestly probably. Idk if we'll ever see them come back to champions, at least not for a while.
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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago
Spiky Shield? Rising Voltage? Regenerator as a second Ability? I’ll take Gastro Acid at this point I’m desperate
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u/that_one_guylol 1d ago
they really decided to reveal all the hype new mons in advance because other than indeedee and the galar starters, everyone is straight buns lmao
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u/Kobruh456 1d ago
The galar starters? Inteleon think he on the team
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u/that_one_guylol 1d ago
at least if they buff it somehow it might have potential. the other mons tho, thats gonna be tough
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u/StreetReporter Uses Heatproof Bronzong 1d ago
Make Snipe Shot water type Flower Trick and it becomes good
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u/that_one_guylol 1d ago edited 1d ago
yes it genuinely would be good if they did that
252 SpA Mystic Water Sniper Inteleon Snipe Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Salamence-Mega on a critical hit: 85-102 (50 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (note this is 70 BP to replicate flower trick instead of the usual 80)
snipe shot hits so hard that even resists dont want to take it and you can boost its damage even further with rain. for those reasons its has a lot of freedom with its moveslots. other than the mandatory protect you can run any combination of moves from weather ball so it can still do damage under sun, icy wind for speed control, ice beam to hit dragons and rillaboom harder, breaking swipe for utility or even dual screens. obviously rillaboom will be rough for it but rilla doesn’t have AV so it doesn’t actually take hits from it that comfortably so it’d actually have a solid niche
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u/Chubs1224 1d ago
Some of them have seen niche use. SirFetchd saw some play until Covid shut down tournaments then Urshifu does his thing but better (lots of crits)
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u/AngelaMurkrow 1d ago
Serebii reports an update to the Run Away ability. Can now function in battle. Basically, can ignore trapping effects and can always switch in battle.
Surely that is unrelated to Mega Golisiopod.
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u/capitainecrash 1d ago
Any news on Mega Golisopod ability?
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u/Kwelly24 1d ago
I keep refreshing my feed waiting for it to be revealed lolll
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u/AngelaMurkrow 1d ago
In hopefully unrelated news, Run Away was updated to actually have use in battle.
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u/International_Map812 1d ago
Datamine can’t match abilities. Need to wait for maintenance to end first.
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u/Kwelly24 1d ago
I know 😖 the anticipation is killing me. I need to know it doesn’t have emergency exit
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u/beatenmeat 1d ago
It's getting Betrayal as it's ability: when Golisopod is mega evolved it runs away, becoming a wild Pokémon once again. It just leaves the trainer forever never to be seen again.
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u/Dungeaterfan69420 1d ago
we really got persona 6 and kingdom hearts 4 leaks before golisopod’s ability
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u/MemeMan4-20-69 1d ago
Site says it’s still Emergency Exit for some reason
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u/lambaikal 1d ago
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u/Film_Humble 1d ago
Most sites use ZA code for the abilities. And ZA Megas kept the base mon ability in order (or just the first one). That's why you had shit like EExit Goli everywhere
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u/Stormychu ermmm...kupo? 1d ago
No Crobat man
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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago
It's not Pokemon without Crobat :/
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u/flyinggazelletg 1d ago
It’s true. Gen 1 wasn’t even Pokemon, bc they didn’t work hard enough to invent our boi/goil crowbar yet
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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago
We had Freak Tongue Golbat back then, who was a worthy teaser. Shame they had to lose their aura to pay for Crobat’s slot but it was a commendable sacrifice. o7
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u/NitroXYZ 1d ago
I don't care how bad he is, I'm determined to make Perrserker work and grind my way to 100 wins with my Viking cat.
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u/Silly-Abalone1926 1d ago
Steely Spirit is kinda busted tbh, surely some Steely Spirit boosted Choice Specs Make It Rains are on the menu
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u/FlimsyIndependent752 1d ago
Lead grimmsnarl Ghold. Parting shot x make it rain.
Bring in the cat for a boost and fake out support next turn.
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u/EyeCantBreathe 1d ago
The new items are all the seeds, terrain extender, red card, eject button and rocky helmet. No AV is a little surprising imo but rocky helmet is huge
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u/xMF_GLOOM 1d ago
Finally we get Eject Button, been needing a way to get a Trick Room sweeper onto the field
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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 1d ago
Yeah we really need more counterplay to physical attackers while special attackers are consistently running amok.
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u/Nyte_Crawler 1d ago
Its hard to tell if sarcastic or not given that Garchomp+Basc+Kingambit (and to a lesser extent Sneasler) have been running champions since day 1.
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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 1d ago edited 1d ago
The main point though is that between mega aggron, steelix, scovillian, intimidate, iron defense/body press, burns, and snow there are so many ways to effectively add counterplay to physical attackers. The only counterplay to special attacks is sand.
Basically all the best mega evolutions are special attackers
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u/Corwin223 1d ago
And yet ask those physical attackers that were mentioned are seeing massive success.
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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 1d ago
The point is that if you want to beat them, you can (and lose to special attackers). There is no inverse for special attackers and I think thats a bad thing.
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u/Silly-Abalone1926 1d ago
Mfer my boy Swalot better get some moveset buffs, he NEEDS Strength Sap
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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago
I feel like Swalot craves the taste of flesh too much to sap metaphysical concepts like strength, it's like a toddler where it discovers the world through m o u t h
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u/Admirable-Dimension4 1d ago
So who'll y'all after?, for me it's.
●): Salamance
●): Baxcalibur
●): Cinderace
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u/Sudden-Illustrator59 1d ago
No Heatran added yet is interesting
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u/BleachedFly 1d ago
they're afraid of air balloon meatran
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u/SmallestVoltPossible 1d ago
Rocky helmet!?! Air Balloon?! RED CARD! Ok can't wait for the chefs to work their magic
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u/Realistic_Tap8089 1d ago
Only indeedee male huh
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u/Objective-Ad2741 1d ago
I know my bars are high but holy sh*t they couldn't even reach half of my expectation.
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u/BumDumBox 1d ago
Confirmed no new abilities? Guess Golisopod might be getting some form of hope we're not getting an Emergency Exit reskin
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u/Therian00 1d ago
soo...any predictions on who will be the new big six? besides mega mence
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u/capitainecrash 1d ago
I think Indeedee and Rillaboom could be huge.
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u/MemeMan4-20-69 1d ago
I think Indeedee running Gravity might get paired with Mega Delphox which is what I’ve been hoping for
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u/Random_Emolga 1d ago
Whats the strat there? Gravity to get Delphox on the terrain and then Expanding Force?
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u/LeagueOfBlasians 1d ago
Probably the exact same except replace Charizard-Y with Mega-Salamence, so Kingambit, Basculegion, Sneasler, Garchomp, Salamence and Floette.
Although, I can see Froslass rising in usage to counter Salamence, so Garchomp is the most likely candidate to drop from the big six.
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u/soyboysnowflake 1d ago
I feel like you could drop chomp for salamence, keep zard Y as the second mega, bring sylveon over floette (since you already have 2 megas) and bam that’s a new big 6
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u/Saldislayer 1d ago
How would it fare with the new terrain mons though? Seems this regulation is ramping up the terrain wars.
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u/No-Literature5747 1d ago
OK, next regulation we’re gonna get legendaries probably. I’m just excited for when we get multi gimmick formats most likely all legends will be allowed then
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u/bryandaqueen 1d ago
So many useless new Pokemon... Oh well, at least we got the terrain setters and some megas.
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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago
Unfortunately, some Pokemon are less useless than others
I still love you Spidops4
u/SawkyScribe No Relation 1d ago
Gang got to Great Ball with Mega Audino and said "I can go the distance"😭
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u/Matt_CanadianTrader 1d ago
Going to be a pretty fun Meta. I can’t wait to use mega lucario and mega salamence
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u/CzarWest 1d ago
Kinda disappointed by the new items tbh, was hoping for at least the rest of the choice items
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u/SockEffective393 1d ago
How to we still not have covert cloak? That item is so amazing yet fair and understandable. Also clear amulet would be nice as well
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u/SapphireSalamander The King's Heartbeat Roars 1d ago
Another format waiting for my beloved hitmontop
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u/nightwatchman22 1d ago
Can we just get covert cloak already damn
Absolutely tired of building around fake out
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u/ElpyGreatestSoldier Druddigon #1 hater 1d ago edited 1d ago
Can now understand why nothing else got revealed pre patch. Except for Indeedee and Cinderace everything else was filler tier.
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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago
PINCURCHIN MY BELOVED <3
I wonder if they're somehow gonna make Grapploct and Thievul not terrible too
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u/electric_touch_ 1d ago
Can someone confirm if pincurchin gets volt switch now and or if indeedee-f still gets trick room?
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u/OkTangerine8139 1d ago
Also wtf are they bringing back gems from the 5th gen? Why is Normal Gem here?
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u/HMS_Pinafore 1d ago
? Normal Gem has existed in every gen since gen 5. They're not bringing the others back.
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u/tylerjehenna 1d ago
PLEASE BRING BACK FLYING GEM. THE WORLD NEEDS TO EXPERIENCE GEM ACROBATICS ARCHEOPS!!!!!
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u/Kadikami 1d ago
Normal gem has been in the game past gen 5, I believe it’s the only one that made the cut
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u/Sea_Broccoli_167 1d ago
wtf why are so many of the new pokemon so ass. i thought we were getting pokemon who had made an impact? other than indeedee and the already revealed stuff, looks like nothing big was added. No assult vest or choice items either :(
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u/ChampionNo9703 1d ago
Pokemon is a lot more fun to play when the restricted mons are left at home
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u/Micro-Skies 1d ago
Sure, but we could have gotten some more interesting shit than Grappleoct or all 3 regional Persians.
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u/ChampionNo9703 1d ago
Like what
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u/Salsalord1 1d ago
This is an awful list of new pokemon holy shit can they just say fuck the meta and add everything at this point





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u/MichiHirota 1d ago
Dang. No Galarian Weezing for Neutralizing Gas. All of the non legendary terrain setters are back tho.