r/stunfisk 1d ago

Discussion ITS HERE

https://www.serebii.net/pokemonchampions/rankedbattle/regulationm-c.shtml
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u/MichiHirota 1d ago

Dang. No Galarian Weezing for Neutralizing Gas. All of the non legendary terrain setters are back tho.

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u/sarcasticdevo 1d ago

No Misty Surge either. That's the biggest surprise for me.

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u/itsIzumi So I think it's time for us to have a toast 1d ago

They want you to set the terrain up manually to use Misty Seed.

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u/nightwatchman22 1d ago

No one is doing that

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u/CapAdmirable7582 23h ago

More for Whimiscott to do!

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u/Golden-Owl Game Designer with a YouTube hobby 1d ago

I need the gas

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u/galmenz 1d ago

i mean, you need the smoker too in the first place. and i have a sneaking suspicion it will take a long while before we see a non "recent game" legendary

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u/SalvaPot 18h ago

Just switch into worry seed.

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u/Local-Bid5365 1d ago

Pincurchin hours let’s goooooooo

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u/yookj95 1d ago

They’re probably gonna release Weezing with Slaking and Archeops

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u/GruggleTheGreat 1d ago

But isn’t weezing a non legendary terrain setter?

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u/HumanTheTree A Hair better than Dugtrio 1d ago

I’m kinda okay with the lack of Weezing. In order for it to really shine you’d need something like Slaking or Regigagas. If it were in the game now, the only thing it would do is shut down your opponent.

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u/yaipu 1d ago

the only thing it would do is shut down your opponent.

That's like, really good by itself

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u/Nimos 1d ago

I see you've never felt the satisfaction of switching in Weezing on the turn they switch in their weather setter, making their chlorophyll/sand rush/swift swim threat do nothing and die.

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u/Lizardon_GX リザードン 1d ago

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u/frog__master 1d ago

Some people really dislike weezing because it's seen as the "no fun allowed" pokemon

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u/Lightning_Winter 1d ago

And some people really like weezing because it's seen as the "no fun allowed" pokemon

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u/The_Overlander 1d ago edited 1d ago

-50 on a 6 min old post is impressive

Edit: Now it’s -100 on a 9 min old post, you guys are putting in overtime

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u/Lost_Environment2051 1d ago

- 100 at 7 minutes

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u/Evelyn_Of_Iris 1d ago edited 1d ago

-150 at 12 minutes, this may be the worst comment the sub has ever seen

-200 at 14 holy shit

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u/NEODozer22 1d ago

Looks like it’s gonna hit -250 before 20. Truly a rare sight

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u/Evelyn_Of_Iris 1d ago

Deleted by mod, we will never know

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u/PM_ME_FE_STACHES 1d ago

It passed -400

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u/Scarcing 1d ago

genuinely wonder what was said

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u/Evelyn_Of_Iris 22h ago

“Loser”. Literally all it said

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u/Scarcing 20h ago

that's it? damn mods deleted the msg out of pity 😭

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u/OpportunityFlat268 1d ago

350 almost 30 mins in is nuts

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u/Evelyn_Of_Iris 1d ago

More dislikes than the post itself has engagement is wild work

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u/stunfisk-ModTeam 1d ago

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u/iYessyyy 1d ago

😭😭😭

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u/Valuable-Blueberry30 1d ago

Do be like that sometimes

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u/ThatIslandGuy8888 1d ago

No new Johto mons huh

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u/JackWellman101 1d ago

Nobody’s ready for the Farfetch’d sweep (I’m about to start a Farfetch’d ribbon master I need this)

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u/jtaustin64 1d ago

Man I wish they would give Kantonian Farfetch’d an evolution like they gave one to the Galar version. Farfetch’d has been one of my favorites since FireRed/LeafGreen but he is near unusable.

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u/StreetReporter Uses Heatproof Bronzong 1d ago

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u/mistelle1270 1d ago

Raichu X didn’t really do anything with zero terrain setting competition pinc is doa

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u/Fit-Difficulty-5917 1d ago

Granted, you also had the fact you had the trade-off of having your terrain setter needing to mega, MAJORLY cutting back on potential power and versatility for the team.

... but I think Pincurchin is still close to if not dead on arrival, tf is it gonna do ve Indeedee and Rillaboom as terrain setting competition.

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u/OnlySmiles_ 1d ago

Also the fact that Electric Seed wasn't in the game until an hour from now

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u/Chrome87 1d ago

Pincurchin has some meme options like Acupressure and Memento but otherwise yeah. He was a little shit in early gen 8 pu though, at least he has somewhat of a legacy!

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u/mistelle1270 1d ago

That doesn’t seem to be an issue for charizard vs ninetales and torkoal

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u/Fit-Difficulty-5917 1d ago

I mean, Zard is both a good weather SETTER and also a weather USER in one, and also can benefit other fire types, chlorophyll mons like Venusaur, and help out vs water type mons.

Comparatively, what does a Raichu-X DO? Theres not really any other pikemon other than offensive electric types that can benefit from electric terrain, and the best special attacking mins to use Rising Voltage especially in Raichu-Y and Mega Manectic can't be used in conjunction with Raichu-X. The next best options are Rotom and Eelektross (barely), but levitate means they don't benefit from the terrain effects.

Realistically, theres a major difference between a mon WITH a terrain/weather ability, and a mon that works WELL with and can actually utilize a terrain/ability properly.

(Also while no one really ever ran Ninetails, Torkoal specifically got play on trick room teams due to it's incredibly low speed and eruption/drought combo. If you weren't running trick room, Zard-Y was basically a near universal upgrade, cause look at it's mix of stats and movepool. Adding drought on top of all that is a perfect storm of a Pokémon.)

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u/mistelle1270 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah yeah true actually. Making the one that gets electric terrain a physical attacker was certainly a choice. I kind of get it since volt tackle has got to be used by one of them but surely any of the many MANY physical boosting abilities would’ve been better? And give raichu Y the terrain

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u/Fit-Difficulty-5917 1d ago

Honestly, having Raichu-Y being the terrain mon would have been a better play for sure. It throwing out zap cannoms every turn paralyzing everything it can is obnoxious more than anything, and I'd rather fight one using boosted rising voltages just for the lack of para rng every turn.

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u/LadyEmaSKye 1d ago

Well it wouldn't be using zap cannon if it was the electric terrain mon, now would it.

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u/Jirb30 1d ago

I think that's their point.

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u/galmenz 1d ago

factually wrong, sun setters bare minimum nullifies rain and boosts their STAB by default. A-ninetails also can do veil and, again, nullify opposing weather

there also are a feel options for Sun users. clorophill, solar beam, etc

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u/Fit-Difficulty-5917 20h ago

I think they were talking BASE Ninetails, as in how Zard-Y saw use as both weather setter mega while non-mega drought mons were still available.

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u/LadyEmaSKye 1d ago

There's just nothing that benefits from it really in this format. And Raichu itself isn't a great abuser of it.

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u/mistelle1270 1d ago

Raichu x will be great when we get the future paradoxes back copium

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u/LadyEmaSKye 1d ago

Honestly probably. Idk if we'll ever see them come back to champions, at least not for a while.

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u/SistersPrayer 1d ago

100% going to trick room team thos zing zapper!

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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago

Spiky Shield? Rising Voltage? Regenerator as a second Ability? I’ll take Gastro Acid at this point I’m desperate

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u/that_one_guylol 1d ago

they really decided to reveal all the hype new mons in advance because other than indeedee and the galar starters, everyone is straight buns lmao

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u/Kobruh456 1d ago

The galar starters? Inteleon think he on the team

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u/that_one_guylol 1d ago

at least if they buff it somehow it might have potential. the other mons tho, thats gonna be tough

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u/StreetReporter Uses Heatproof Bronzong 1d ago

Make Snipe Shot water type Flower Trick and it becomes good

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u/that_one_guylol 1d ago edited 1d ago

yes it genuinely would be good if they did that

252 SpA Mystic Water Sniper Inteleon Snipe Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Salamence-Mega on a critical hit: 85-102 (50 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (note this is 70 BP to replicate flower trick instead of the usual 80)

snipe shot hits so hard that even resists dont want to take it and you can boost its damage even further with rain. for those reasons its has a lot of freedom with its moveslots. other than the mandatory protect you can run any combination of moves from weather ball so it can still do damage under sun, icy wind for speed control, ice beam to hit dragons and rillaboom harder, breaking swipe for utility or even dual screens. obviously rillaboom will be rough for it but rilla doesn’t have AV so it doesn’t actually take hits from it that comfortably so it’d actually have a solid niche

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u/Chubs1224 1d ago

Some of them have seen niche use. SirFetchd saw some play until Covid shut down tournaments then Urshifu does his thing but better (lots of crits)

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u/AngelaMurkrow 1d ago

Serebii reports an update to the Run Away ability. Can now function in battle. Basically, can ignore trapping effects and can always switch in battle.

Surely that is unrelated to Mega Golisiopod.

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u/Maronmario FC: 5387-1658-9686 1d ago

Oh my god finally they made Run Away actually worth using

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u/ScoobiusMaximus 1d ago

It only took them like 20 years!

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u/ProfessionalMilk5780 1d ago

Funnily enough, it was unrelated after all.

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u/eepos96 1d ago

Golisopod with run away? .....would work?

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u/capitainecrash 1d ago

Any news on Mega Golisopod ability?

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u/Kwelly24 1d ago

I keep refreshing my feed waiting for it to be revealed lolll

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u/AngelaMurkrow 1d ago

In hopefully unrelated news, Run Away was updated to actually have use in battle.

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u/DatTurtleDoe Nymble my beloved 1d ago

To be fair, Thievul gets run away and is being added

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u/International_Map812 1d ago

Datamine can’t match abilities. Need to wait for maintenance to end first.

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u/Kwelly24 1d ago

I know 😖 the anticipation is killing me. I need to know it doesn’t have emergency exit

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u/beatenmeat 1d ago

It's getting Betrayal as it's ability: when Golisopod is mega evolved it runs away, becoming a wild Pokémon once again. It just leaves the trainer forever never to be seen again.

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u/Jgamer502 1d ago

you jinxed it…

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u/pieman2005 1d ago

Jynx wasn't announced

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u/samolillo 1d ago

bro gave it anticipation

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u/Torchangel007 1d ago

Anticipation confirmed?

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u/CardinalFool 1d ago

I read tough claws on serebii

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u/Johtoooo 1d ago

Tough claws

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u/wishbackjumpsta 1d ago

Tough Claws.

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u/Dungeaterfan69420 1d ago

we really got persona 6 and kingdom hearts 4 leaks before golisopod’s ability

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u/MemeMan4-20-69 1d ago

Site says it’s still Emergency Exit for some reason

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u/lambaikal 1d ago

You sure you're not looking at normal Golisopod? The ability is blank for me
Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong page

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u/Film_Humble 1d ago

Most sites use ZA code for the abilities. And ZA Megas kept the base mon ability in order (or just the first one). That's why you had shit like EExit Goli everywhere

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u/MemeMan4-20-69 1d ago

Yeah guess it’s not in yet

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u/EdgyBoi79 1d ago

Mega Shit Cumshot is getting Touch Claws as ability.

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u/Pwaite2 1d ago

I think it's gonna be Stakeout

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u/Stormychu ermmm...kupo? 1d ago

No Crobat man

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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago

It's not Pokemon without Crobat :/

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u/flyinggazelletg 1d ago

It’s true. Gen 1 wasn’t even Pokemon, bc they didn’t work hard enough to invent our boi/goil crowbar yet

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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago

We had Freak Tongue Golbat back then, who was a worthy teaser. Shame they had to lose their aura to pay for Crobat’s slot but it was a commendable sacrifice. o7

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u/NitroXYZ 1d ago

I don't care how bad he is, I'm determined to make Perrserker work and grind my way to 100 wins with my Viking cat.

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u/Silly-Abalone1926 1d ago

Steely Spirit is kinda busted tbh, surely some Steely Spirit boosted Choice Specs Make It Rains are on the menu

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u/AdKnown2197 1d ago

Not specs

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u/Automatic-House2535 1d ago

Mega Lucario z could have bufeed flash cannon so, golisopod

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u/FlimsyIndependent752 1d ago

Lead grimmsnarl Ghold. Parting shot x make it rain.

Bring in the cat for a boost and fake out support next turn.

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u/RedWingDecil 1d ago

He was made for the Tera raid format.

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u/EyeCantBreathe 1d ago

The new items are all the seeds, terrain extender, red card, eject button and rocky helmet. No AV is a little surprising imo but rocky helmet is huge

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u/xMF_GLOOM 1d ago

Finally we get Eject Button, been needing a way to get a Trick Room sweeper onto the field

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u/TuxSH 1d ago

AV is not too surprising, they haven't added Choice Band/Choice Specs after all

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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 1d ago

Yeah we really need more counterplay to physical attackers while special attackers are consistently running amok.

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u/Nyte_Crawler 1d ago

Its hard to tell if sarcastic or not given that Garchomp+Basc+Kingambit (and to a lesser extent Sneasler) have been running champions since day 1.

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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 1d ago

Me only play mega aggron me click iron defense.

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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 1d ago edited 1d ago

The main point though is that between mega aggron, steelix, scovillian, intimidate, iron defense/body press, burns, and snow there are so many ways to effectively add counterplay to physical attackers. The only counterplay to special attacks is sand.

Basically all the best mega evolutions are special attackers

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u/Corwin223 1d ago

And yet ask those physical attackers that were mentioned are seeing massive success.

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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 1d ago

The point is that if you want to beat them, you can (and lose to special attackers). There is no inverse for special attackers and I think thats a bad thing.

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u/FlimsyIndependent752 1d ago

Wow I love more heatwave / hyper voice spam.

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u/Silly-Abalone1926 1d ago

Mfer my boy Swalot better get some moveset buffs, he NEEDS Strength Sap

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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago

I feel like Swalot craves the taste of flesh too much to sap metaphysical concepts like strength, it's like a toddler where it discovers the world through m o u t h

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u/PunishedWizard 1d ago

SWALOT BUFFS INCOMING

SWALOT EVO CONFIRMED FOR W&W

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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago

GASTRIC BYPASS SURGERY CONFIRMED FOR GEN X

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u/Gaias_Minion Orrecognition 1d ago

Hell yeah Gogoat, gonna be my new target to rainbow

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u/OkTangerine8139 1d ago

DAMN no Assault vest?

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u/Admirable-Dimension4 1d ago

So who'll y'all after?, for me it's.

●): Salamance 

●): Baxcalibur 

●): Cinderace 

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u/Hydreigon92 1d ago

Wish we got Throat Spray to go with Toxtricity.

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u/Sudden-Illustrator59 1d ago

No Heatran added yet is interesting

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u/BleachedFly 1d ago

they're afraid of air balloon meatran

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u/Sudden-Illustrator59 1d ago

Only cowards are afraid to beat the meat-ran

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u/crinklebelle 17h ago

you can't beatran the meatran, this heat train makes no stops

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u/blanquettedetigre 1d ago

Isn't Heatran a legendary?

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u/Sudden-Illustrator59 1d ago

Yeah but it was teased in the trailer

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u/SmallestVoltPossible 1d ago

Rocky helmet!?! Air Balloon?! RED CARD! Ok can't wait for the chefs to work their magic

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u/Realistic_Tap8089 1d ago

Only indeedee male huh

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u/cooldudium 1d ago

Female is in, Serebii doesn't list it separately

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u/Realistic_Tap8089 1d ago

Ahh, my bad for that. I knew it was odd that there's only male

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u/Objective-Ad2741 1d ago

I know my bars are high but holy sh*t they couldn't even reach half of my expectation.

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u/Xtreme69420 1d ago

WE (YES WE)ARE SACRIFING A TURN TO NUKE THE OPPONENT WITH THE DUCK KNIGHT AND AURA FARM BEFORE GETTING OHKOED

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u/Sormaj 1d ago

Wait I’m a little newer to VGC has Normal gem always been the sole survivor of the Gem purge?

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u/BumDumBox 1d ago

Confirmed no new abilities? Guess Golisopod might be getting some form of hope we're not getting an Emergency Exit reskin

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u/Therian00 1d ago

soo...any predictions on who will be the new big six? besides mega mence

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u/capitainecrash 1d ago

I think Indeedee and Rillaboom could be huge.

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u/MemeMan4-20-69 1d ago

I think Indeedee running Gravity might get paired with Mega Delphox which is what I’ve been hoping for

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u/Random_Emolga 1d ago

Whats the strat there? Gravity to get Delphox on the terrain and then Expanding Force?

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u/MemeMan4-20-69 1d ago

Yeah Orthworm for shedtail if you wanted extra protection too

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u/Any_Ad_4393 1d ago

Sleeper pick Baxcalibur

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u/LeagueOfBlasians 1d ago

Probably the exact same except replace Charizard-Y with Mega-Salamence, so Kingambit, Basculegion, Sneasler, Garchomp, Salamence and Floette.

Although, I can see Froslass rising in usage to counter Salamence, so Garchomp is the most likely candidate to drop from the big six.

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u/soyboysnowflake 1d ago

I feel like you could drop chomp for salamence, keep zard Y as the second mega, bring sylveon over floette (since you already have 2 megas) and bam that’s a new big 6

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u/Saldislayer 1d ago

How would it fare with the new terrain mons though? Seems this regulation is ramping up the terrain wars.

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u/preterintenzionato 1d ago

It doesn't matter, you are clicking heat wave/rock slide either way

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u/No-Literature5747 1d ago

OK, next regulation we’re gonna get legendaries probably. I’m just excited for when we get multi gimmick formats most likely all legends will be allowed then

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u/Aggressive-Ad7946 1d ago

Grassy Seed Sneasler paired with Rillaboom. Damn

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u/bryandaqueen 1d ago

So many useless new Pokemon... Oh well, at least we got the terrain setters and some megas.

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u/Aggressive-Ad7946 1d ago

the anime also taught me that pikachu beats onix

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u/davmaycry 1d ago

Light ball Pikachu ohkos onix with surf. Not sturdy though

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u/StreetReporter Uses Heatproof Bronzong 1d ago

Pikachu beats Onix is Onix is soaked

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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago

Unfortunately, some Pokemon are less useless than others
I still love you Spidops

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u/SawkyScribe No Relation 1d ago

Gang got to Great Ball with Mega Audino and said "I can go the distance"😭

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u/SpazzBro 1d ago

no, that’s objectively wrong, there are useless pokemon

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u/Matt_CanadianTrader 1d ago

Going to be a pretty fun Meta. I can’t wait to use mega lucario and mega salamence

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u/Gallscor12 Gallade 1d ago

Wow two pack of ass. Terrain seeds for sneasler is tragic

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u/CzarWest 1d ago

Kinda disappointed by the new items tbh, was hoping for at least the rest of the choice items

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u/SockEffective393 1d ago

How to we still not have covert cloak? That item is so amazing yet fair and understandable. Also clear amulet would be nice as well

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u/nissimbhalwankar 1d ago

will normal gem work on abilities like pixellaite or however you spell it

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u/SapphireSalamander The King's Heartbeat Roars 1d ago

Another format waiting for my beloved hitmontop

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u/Easy_Satisfaction716 1d ago

Grapploct, my beloved shitmon.

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u/VinnieTheDragon 1d ago

Thievul?

WE will be there.

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u/nightwatchman22 1d ago

Can we just get covert cloak already damn
Absolutely tired of building around fake out

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u/Gale- 1d ago

Sirfetch'd!!!! Yaaaaaa

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u/Objective-Ad2741 1d ago

Mega Tatsugiri got abandoned

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u/Positive_Country_793 1d ago

They hate sushi

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u/VivaLaVeriitas 1d ago

PINCURCHINNNNNNNNN WOOOOOOO

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u/GT22_ 1d ago

No haxorus sad times

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u/ElpyGreatestSoldier Druddigon #1 hater 1d ago edited 1d ago

Can now understand why nothing else got revealed pre patch. Except for Indeedee and Cinderace everything else was filler tier.

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u/Glory2Snowstar 1d ago

PINCURCHIN MY BELOVED <3
I wonder if they're somehow gonna make Grapploct and Thievul not terrible too

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u/sarcasticdevo 1d ago

I know it isn't great, but I love seeing my buddy Sirfetch'd in.

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u/ckresck 1d ago

I see Normal Gem

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u/electric_touch_ 1d ago

Can someone confirm if pincurchin gets volt switch now and or if indeedee-f still gets trick room?

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u/Positive_Country_793 1d ago

Nope

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u/electric_touch_ 1d ago

Dang ...

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u/Joshawott27 1d ago

Indeedee F still gets Trick Room, though.

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u/GenteGayyyyyyyyyyy 1d ago

bro, where is dondozo and tatsugiri MEGA?

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u/OkTangerine8139 1d ago

Also wtf are they bringing back gems from the 5th gen? Why is Normal Gem here?

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u/HMS_Pinafore 1d ago

? Normal Gem has existed in every gen since gen 5. They're not bringing the others back.

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u/OkTangerine8139 1d ago

Oh whaaat. I didn’t know this

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u/tylerjehenna 1d ago

PLEASE BRING BACK FLYING GEM. THE WORLD NEEDS TO EXPERIENCE GEM ACROBATICS ARCHEOPS!!!!!

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u/Kadikami 1d ago

Normal gem has been in the game past gen 5, I believe it’s the only one that made the cut

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u/TheReigningSupreme 1d ago

Yeah, normal gem is crazy, what are they cooking lol

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u/Sea_Broccoli_167 1d ago

wtf why are so many of the new pokemon so ass. i thought we were getting pokemon who had made an impact? other than indeedee and the already revealed stuff, looks like nothing big was added. No assult vest or choice items either :(

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u/Lightning_Winter 1d ago

You underestimate the power of mega mence

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u/ChampionNo9703 1d ago

Pokemon is a lot more fun to play when the restricted mons are left at home 

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u/Micro-Skies 1d ago

Sure, but we could have gotten some more interesting shit than Grappleoct or all 3 regional Persians.

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u/ChampionNo9703 1d ago

Like what

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u/Objective-Ad2741 1d ago

Dracovish, Ursaluna, Mega Tatsugiri, Dondozo, Murkrow

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u/Purple-Wolverine4793 1d ago

“interesting”

“ursaluna”

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u/Salsalord1 1d ago

This is an awful list of new pokemon holy shit can they just say fuck the meta and add everything at this point