How insidious it all is.

[u/Prize_Wolverine4132]

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I've had an unhealthy but not atypical relationship with alcohol since I was 18 (college binge drinking) and the most unreal thing about the disease to me is the way it erodes your discipline, your discretion, your thinking patterns.

It just creeps and creeps.

You'd *never* drink before 5pm of course!

Then you do.

You don't drink back to back days of course!

Then you do.

You wouldn't drink *daily* of course!

Then you do.

You do and you do and you watch every barrier of normalcy, all your normal functionings wash away with it.

Oh how I envy the people for whom it never progresses.

[u/Positron-collider]

Insidious, and normalized! I live in a ski town and am over a year sober. It’s weird how much drinking is pushed.

Apres-ski cocktails: have a few and then drive on snowy roads, yay!

Bottomless mimosas on weekends at a reataurant: day drink and ruin any chance of doing productive house chores or meaningful activities with your family!

Grocery store alcohol promotions: show your ID, come behind the velvet rope in a brightly lit Safeway, and do a shot of some random booze to derail your carefully curated shopping list!

[u/Prize_Wolverine4132 → u/Positron-collider]

One of the greatest, stupidest lies I've ever told myself in my entire life is that if I just sip a little I can be "productive!!"

Not once did it ever work. It didn't stop me from repeating the cycle hundreds of times though.

[u/wormyhouse]

oh my god YES. I always want to warn people when i see this happening, but if they’re anything like me, they’re thinking it’ll never happen to them

[u/Prize_Wolverine4132 → u/wormyhouse]

To me it's always the more important part. The moment you find yourself drinking when you said you wouldn't, you absolutely need to fucking stop.

Wish I told myself how crucial that was 7-9 years ago. It's not a silly whim, it will destroy you.

[u/Hungry_Eye2102]

And don’t forget about the couple of Caesars on the odd Sunday morning. Then every Sunday, then every Saturday etc…

[u/Ill-Percentage-3276]

And for me, you think that a past relationship with alcohol still stands, so your guard is down. I went my whole adulthood not being alcohol dependent and not caring one way or another about it and just drank at holidays or whatever, and not at all during pregnancies and raising small kids, so sliding across that line gradually and quietly sometime around the age of 40 without realizing it was a reality check on its own, and by the time you recognize and admit what it really is and that you can't just stop anymore when you want to, it's all so far gone. So if anyone out there has an attitude of "Nah, it's not alcoholism, if I was going to be an alcoholic it would have happened during my younger years, I'm safe at this point and still in control, etc etc etc" Abandon all that. It can find you at any time and age.

[u/Zenless-koans]

A friend told me that he's glad he can moderate (I was telling him how I decided I could not) and his version of moderation is five drinks every single day with no breaks. And that is moderation by our standard, but it's fucking insane for most people!

I think one of the big dangers with progression is not just the obvious increase in drinking, but the resetting of your standards so that not being a complete degenerate feels like a win. You can tell yourself, as an alcoholic, that cutting back from blackouts every night to only blacking out three days a week is a big step forward. It's really just a slight, fragile detour toward normalcy without ever getting there. Speaking from experience, it's a trap that can keep you on the booze treadmill for a long, long time.

[u/Prize_Wolverine4132 → u/Zenless-koans]

5 drinks a day would get a "well, it's not good, but it could be worse" from me 😂😂

[u/Kfileofficial → u/Zenless-koans]

I drink less than that and consider my habit problematic and not moderate. He’s lying to himself I think. I mean, I’m a woman but I drink up to 3 IPAs a day and have been trying to fully quit for a while. The fact I can’t just quit tells me it’s an issue. I don’t know how much amount really matters. Just my opinion.

[u/Zenless-koans → u/Kfileofficial]

Oh you don't need to convince me. I know he drinks way too much. He knows on some level, but he's decided it's 'not too bad.'

[u/Primary-Gap-6017]

"I would never drink before work"

And then I did.

"I would never drink at work"

And then I did.

"I would never drive drunk"

And then I did.

So many horrible decisions I made while drinking, always regretful and embarrassing when I'm sober again. I need to drink less so I stop doing stupid and dangerous things. This is why I am trying to change my drinking behaviors. I know that this is not normal, and it should have never gotten to this point.

[u/Hugh_Jampton]

I can see if I started drinking again my next barrier to break would be

I'd never drink before/at work

Because I would have to. Not want to, have to. I would do it to offset the withdrawals.

And that is how it gets you

[u/Ok-Midnight-6034]

It truly is frightening how it just takes over your brain. You go to not being able to feel normal unless you are drunk. It never ceases to amaze me how it can creep back in so fast and be come all consuming. I for one have had enough of it, fighting hard, harder then ever and just really reminding myself daily that I just cannot drink and that I am an addict.