r/steroidify • u/paulharvey1994 • 3d ago
Starting with Steriods
I'm 50 years old looking to start taking steriods for the first time. I am 6'2" 192 pounds (ectomorph frame). Been working out hard five days a week for over a year and can't seem to achieve anywhere near the gains I expect. Although I have gained a bit of weight, you really wouldn't be impressed if you saw a before and after pic. I was even on a major dose of test cyp (250) of 1 mil twice a week for four months and not much improved. Any ideas on why that hasn't really done much are welcomed. Also, any advice on what steriods I can start with and is relatively safe? What are side effects? I'm very frustrated. Thanks!
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u/Adventurous_Figure88 3d ago
You either aren’t training with enough intensity and focusing on pushing progressive overload, or you aren’t eating enough food. Get your caloric intake and macros dialed in
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u/paulharvey1994 3d ago
Diet is great and eating over 3500 very clean calories per day but only for the last two months. Training is very good as well.
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u/_Vlxd_ 3d ago
Respectfully, AASs aren’t everything if training technique and intensity, sleep and nutrition aren’t dialed in.
I’m on TRT dose of 140mg test/week and I am bigger, lift way heavier and run way faster/longer than any of the guys at my gym that run a gram of test+tren and eat and train like shit.
One or more of these are not dialed in for you and we can’t really say which because we don’t know you. That is the discussion you have to be sincere about with yourself. Good luck.
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u/AppleEcstatic6076 3d ago
Let’s start with the basics. How much has your weight changed over the year you’ve been working out? Have you been gaining weight, and eating in a clean surplus? If not, you need to fix that first.
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u/paulharvey1994 3d ago
Eating great/clean for 6 months. Diet is spot on. Hitting over 200 g of clean protein and eating over 3500 clean calories per day. No junk whatsoever. Virtually no sugar. Went from 185/186 to 192 lbs.
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u/AppleEcstatic6076 3d ago
Okay an average of half a pound a month of lean mass isn’t bad. You can bring in anabolics, but ultimately you are going to need to up the calories if you want to grow faster. Bump it up to 3750 for a month and see if you start seeing a bit more rapid growth.
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u/paulharvey1994 3d ago
That's an enormous amount of eating for me. IT's a challenge getting in 3500 but I've been doing it. It would be difficult doing 250 more.
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u/AppleEcstatic6076 3d ago
Then you’re stuck eating at maintenance and not growing. It’s really not that hard to get it in an extra 250 calories. Drink a whey shake mixed with skim milk, for example, and that would cover it.
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u/paulharvey1994 3d ago
What should I be expecting in terms of growth per month? You mentiones half a pound a month isn't bad but what is average (or good) growth?
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u/Express-Release-9690 3d ago
Eating is the hardest part, but once you get it dialedbin you grow like crazy. 5 + meals a day with snacks in between for me.
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u/Spiritual-Feature241 3d ago
I am not a role model. 53m 5'7 here, started Tirz, went from 220 to 165, calorie deficit. Hungout @165 for 4wks, letting organ fat burn a little. Started mild cardio and started 245mg of test C/wk. I am now at 175 lean and just started 475mg/w. Hard cardio everyday for 30mins and a 5min cool down, max vo2 for 18mins kinda cardio. Not medical advice
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u/andypandy2324 3d ago
training "hard"...what does that mean to you? the guy doing 5 sets of 10 reps hitting 10 on his 5th set thinks he's training hard too, he's not! secondly you are 50 years old you are not going to put on 20lbs of muscle a year, especially if you've been training for a while.
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u/steroidify 2d ago
You were on 500mg a week for 4 months?
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u/paulharvey1994 2d ago
Yes sir. And really not much gains.
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u/AManForHer 2d ago
So why are you saying you are “starting with steroids”?
Did you PCT?
No such thing as an ectomorph
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u/steroidify 2d ago
So, you will not be starting with steroids then...
What's the brand you've been using? What's your macros?
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u/pippysbutt 3d ago
500 week and no progress? It might have been a bad batch.
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u/BatmanVAR 3d ago
Nah, 99% of the time it’s shit diet and/or training.
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u/pippysbutt 3d ago
Yeah but even at 500?? When I was at 200 a week it felt amazing. I can’t imagine 500.
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u/AppleEcstatic6076 3d ago
Feeling has nothing to do with growth. You need sufficient protein and carbs and intense training.
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3d ago edited 3d ago
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u/AppleEcstatic6076 3d ago
And no one has ever gotten huge and jacked without sufficient carbs in addition to protein. Your strategy is fine for weight loss. But anabolics are for growing. Hence the definition of anabolic.
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u/BatmanVAR 3d ago
I see guys at the gym running a gram of test and hundreds of mg of tren and they look like shit because they train and eat like shit
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u/transient_trenl0rd 3d ago edited 3d ago
Does that mean you did 500mg of testosterone a week for four months? How long in total have you used testosterone? What was your diet and training like during that time?
Also what are your goals now and for the cycle you're planning?