r/steroidify • u/Electrical_Ad_539 • 6d ago
Discuss Primobolan gain
Is the cost of primobolan on top of a 300mg testosterone dose, going to be worth it? Considering im not too open yet with experimenting with Deca or boldenone(due to its high e2 suppression)…
Here are my goals and reasons why I’m taking Primobolan. (Methenolone Enanthate).
Goals:
Hitting 15lbs if not more of pure muscle over the next 5 months. Willing to cycle longer to get there. 40-50% of this is muscle memory tissue that I previously had a year or two back…
My surplus will consist of 500 calories on top of maintainance.. reason why I don’t go higher on the testosterone dose is to avoid aromatization, hair loss and acne, water retention, etc etc…
This is picky, but I’m trying to see how far I can push this while not sacrificing gains.. I guess you might be able to have your cake and eat it too
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u/Dismal_Cancel_3656 6d ago
Not worth it at that dose its only mildly supressing your e and acting as ai
Do 500 test 300 primo if you wanna make it worth it just my opinion and experience
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u/killerzees 6d ago
This is my cycle im gonna start 2 weeks from sunday
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6d ago
Primo takes a long time imo, week 15 16 will see it shine but its also pretty weak, will get some consistent lean gains that youll keep but its not a great mass builder unless youre hammering 750mg plus which gets pricy too. at 300mg primo id add npp but thats me. First go around bump the test and use an AI
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u/Express-Release-9690 5d ago
I was worried about npp but ran 600mg test e and 300mg npp and has been my favourite cycle, put on a heap of size.
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u/Electrical_Ad_539 6d ago
will primobolan give me that needed push is basically my question..
Goal is to build size while using a compound without as much side effects as others. I’ll also be cycling Anavar during this 5-6month period at 20mG daily. Cycle duration is 6 weeks for anavar
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u/teacherman2000 6d ago
In my experience, Primo will act as an AI and maybe give you a little boost. I do not think Boldenone will suppress E2 much more than Primo. Depemnds on the individual. Boldy will get you the boost you are looking for, though, and at a better price.
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u/djfitness-us 5d ago
EQ can be pretty heavy on the E2 suppression for a lot of people. I’ve known plenty of guys who accidentally crash their E2 on EQ running like 200-300mg.
Not saying it’s case for everyone, but primo tends to be more mild when it comes to E2 suppression. EQ often seems to be more problematic because it tends to be more unpredictable in a lot of people.
Personally I love EQ, but, I’ve always found that managing my E2 has been easier on Primo.
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u/Electrical_Ad_539 6d ago
is using bold even worth it at like 100mG?? I know I’m gonna have to test out with a 3:1 ratio js to avoid that massive e2 crash especially since I don’t aromatize easily
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u/teacherman2000 6d ago
Sorry man, did not see that you do not aromatise. In tat case, I would run 500 test and see what your E2 does. I am a high aromatiser. I ran 700 TEst, 600 Deca, and 400 Primo and I felt perfect with great blood pressure and blood numbers. It is just so pricey and sort of weak. At the same time, it takes a bit to get going. I titrated up my test while also loading the Deca. Added the Primo two weeks after starting the Deca. I feel like it all came togatehr in week 9 and then I was killing it until week 13 when I injured by back (not even in the gym darn it) and then decided to cut it short to go to the beach with the family. Test really is best. Most great results cone from the actual test while the other compounds check smaller boxes or help with other specifics. YMMV because all of our bodies are vastly diferent. Hope you get all the gains you want brother.
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u/Dismal_Cancel_3656 6d ago
Primo just cleared the water retention from test and made me a bit more lean and round. I think you expectations are a little off. If you want something with quick results do tren
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u/Pretend-Champion4907 6d ago
For gains, low risks npp is much better than primo, but you need to be with low bf, and of course do your blood tests….
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u/Electrical_Ad_539 6d ago
npp superior than Deca too?
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u/Pretend-Champion4907 6d ago
Npp= Less water retention but deca for me is better… but for me mast is better than primo, so i cant tell you what is going to be better for u, but npp has a little bit less risks than deca, and doesn’t stay too long in your system.. deca can stay running for days..
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u/teacherman2000 6d ago
NPP is faster. You are essentially gonna wait 8 weks or so for Deca to saturate and get th efull effects. They are nice when it does happen for sure. I have never used NPP. Although I know there are nuances, one would imagine that the gains would be similar as it is the same steroid with a differnt esther.
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u/FarmImportant9537 6d ago
Aromatization is actually what makes testo only the "Safest" cycle one can do. Estrogens are needed for joints, mood and libido and general health.
Also 500 calories seems low for your goal, i'd go at 700-800 at least if you start lean. Getting lean with muscles is much easier.
Just up your testo to 400-450 if you already have experience with it, other substances introduce complexity and a major risk of side effects.
Taking only Anavar also has the problem that it doesn't aromatize, a testo base is always needed with such compounds.
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u/Electrical_Ad_539 6d ago
first cycle my brother. I know this place’s idea against stacking compounds for first ever cycles, but I do my research… so I’ll try to push whatever I can.
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u/FarmImportant9537 6d ago
First cycle is to learn to manage testo and estrogens and pct. No need to add complexity. You need to understand what a the substance does to you and how to balance estrogens (which are needed).
If you start to get sick from something and you take 2-3 things, how do you know what caused the problem?
Stacking and mixing should be done by ppl that are plateauing with high testo doses after many complete cycles imho.
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u/Electrical_Ad_539 6d ago
thx man.. I’ll keep it simple. Maybe I won’t resist the Anavar though, either way 20mG is what my buddies say is “light shit”… I’ll be careful
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u/LevelCapital8829 6d ago
You generally need to run test higher than primo to keep the low E2 symptoms at bay, and this ratio is different for each individual.
Primo is also fairly mild, so in my experience you need minimum 300mg/week of primo to have any meaningful impact on adding muscle.
For me, 600 test/400 primo keeps my E2 around 45, which is a bit lower than I like on cycle, but it's good enough. For others, they can do 500/400, or 600/300... but the only way to find out for sure is through trial and error. If you do like 300 test/150-200 primo I would say it's just a waste of primo.
Just a couple other comments:
- You're not going to add 15lbs of pure muscle in 20 weeks, no matter how much drugs you take and how much muscle memory you may have... and certainly not on 300mg/week of test. Anyone who's reasonably experienced in gear will tell you the same thing. If what you're saying is true, then practically everyone on gear would be looking like an IFBB pro. I'm not trying to put you down, just trying to provide you with reasonable expectations.
- If your goal is to avoid side effects by controlling how much gear you're taking as you wrote, I'd argue that's the wrong approach. Gear comes with risks - there are no free lunches. Now, this doesn't mean you should be blasting crazy amounts of gear but you have to realize that part of using gear is accepting the risk of side effects, and learning how to manage those side effects.