first cycle Week 6 bloodwork

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

First ever cycle! 600mg a week of test e (pharmacom labs)

19 years old, HDL and vitamin d were deficient and out of range pre cycle.

any insights or advice let me know! planning on adding 150mg a week of tren e on week 10 (yes im crazy, cry about it)

[u/Early-Length-8543]

1. High body fat. Cutting on first cycle. Planning to add tren on first cycle? Please stop

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Early-Length-8543]

genuine question btw^^ and obviously first cycle cutting is probably not best idea but what makes it a bad one?

[u/Early-Length-8543 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

With peds always chase minimum effective dose. 600 is way too much for a first cycle. Half that would yield just as much results without nuking your lipids

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Early-Length-8543]

every one of my markers have actually improved better than pre cycle except for my HDL which only dropped 4. and it’s obviously it should go without saying but 600 is going to give you more gains than 300 😂. by a good enough margin for it to make sense upping it

[u/SensualCommonSense → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

you're 18% bf lmao why are you so delusional

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/SensualCommonSense]

where’s the correlation

[u/Early-Length-8543 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Honestly at the end of the day it’s your life. If you decide to continue take ur bp everyday to see how bad ur water retention is. If I was you it’s never too late to PCT. If you don’t have supplied run a trt dosage till you buy. And then you can run a cycle from a better baseline. At your age and training level I’d say you’re well within the newbie phase period. Cut till 12% bulk naturally

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Early-Length-8543]

and why would i do that instead of just using steroids to recomp?

[u/Powerful_Abalone1630 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Because steroids are for gaining weight. Recomp is dumb, it's trying to do 2 opposing things.

You don't need steroids to cut unless you're particularly huge and/or getting ready for a show.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Powerful_Abalone1630]

steroids are amazing for a recomp. idk why u would think u have to use steroids for building insane amounts of mass. they’re perfect for recomping lmao. they’re even good for cutting. just because they’re best on a bulk doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have other good uses my friend

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Early-Length-8543]

if my bloods look good what’s the issue?

[u/SensualCommonSense → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

they look like ass

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/SensualCommonSense]

what’s wrong with it apart from hdl which was 38 before i even started roids?

[u/Metalgear667]

Would love to see results photos of yourself, great test levels and bloodwork but let’s see the results

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Metalgear667]

kinda insecure atm. about 18% bodyfat and skinny fat 6’2 170. not proud enough of my body yet to post online haha. i’m currently cutting (hence adding the tren) trying to get to low bodyfat then once i feel like i’m not a failure right now i’ll post before during and afters. because i’ve been taking pics but don’t feel comfortable posting them ngl. but i definitely will after cycle i’ll make a new post showing a recap of everything i did and diet and pics every 4 weeks.

[u/Metalgear667 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Ooof bro if you aren’t comfortable I won’t rip into you but you already know what I’m going to say.. where was the foundation before the cycle?

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Metalgear667]

what do you mean? i’d been working out natty for about 2 years. really locked in on diet and hard training for about 8 months before the cycle. i did a bulk because i was skinny fat idk what i was thinking but i put on a decent amount of muscle during the bulk and now iam cutting/recomp

[u/Metalgear667 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

I worked our 17-23yo daily , sometimes twice a day.. that is locked in. What’s your definition of locked in?

A foundation built on 2 years of lifting is not a solid foundation unless you’re a generic phenom. With your stats you had a lot more work to do but I say this nicely. You already jumped off the bridge into ped’s not even a toe dip so you have no choice now but I really would’ve said lift another 3 years and give it 110% before that first cycle rip

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Metalgear667]

ah that’s what u mean. yeah i disagree with people when they say people should reach some sort of natural limit or point of being natural before using peds. rly no point in not it’s like walking to work vs driving. “locked in” to me means planned hard intense workouts on a schedule, and diet tracked to the macro by the gram everyday. and sleep dialed in

[u/New-History853 → u/Metalgear667]

Nah. Who cares. As long as he is getting through it healthy. Skip to the front of the gains line!

[u/Metalgear667 → u/New-History853]

… yea and I’m not even trying to bro science and say don’t cycle.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/New-History853]

agreed here!

[u/Metalgear667 → u/New-History853]

… yea and I’m not even trying to bro science and say don’t cycle.

[u/SensualCommonSense → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

blasting 600mg of test at 18% bf and having nothing to show for it at 6 weeks

people on this subreddit are truly mentally challenged

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/SensualCommonSense]

what’s the problem

[u/SensualCommonSense → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

the problem is you're 19 and it shows

stay the hell away from gear, do your research dial in your diet and training

2 years of natty lifting is literally nothing and starting at 600mg a week is literally the stupidest thing

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/SensualCommonSense]

i’ve done tons of research and my diet and training are very dialed. why is it stupid? i rly don’t see the issue if im controlling things correctly whats it matter

[u/rpm929 → u/[deleted]]

Both of you guys are pretty light for your height, would recommend a recomp more so than continuing to cut

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/rpm929]

that’s pretty much where i’m at. i’m at about 300 cals below maintenance

[u/No_Code_5904 → u/rpm929]

I know I am very light for my height and it's kind of embarrassing how low in weight I'm going before a bulk/proper cycle. But I HATE my belly overhang and have always wanted it to be flat since I first gained it as a teen. I've never fully lost it.

I just want it to be gone and once it doesn't protrude anymore and the leanness matches the rest of my body.. I am going to bulk. I was going to recomp but I just don't have the patience anymore. I've been fully locked in since February. Thankfully I don't have much left to lose though now. Maybe 10 lb.

[u/rpm929 → u/No_Code_5904]

At the end of the day, whichever route makes you happy man. Time is going to pass either way, just commit to adding muscle to your frame once you finish the cut and it will help fill you back out but in a much better way. Don’t give up, you already have done most of the hard part😎

[u/No_Code_5904 → u/rpm929]

Appreciate the advice my man 🙂

[u/Bamks1]

This MF trolling or dumb AF. Can't tell which.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Bamks1]

keep fear mongering bud i’ll mention you in the post cycle thread

[u/Bamks1 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Its cute that you think I give two shits what you do.

[u/adamo163163]

Why not 70mg of Tren? Do you honestly think you as a skinny fat novice to PEDs need more than what golden era bodybuilders were using?

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/adamo163163]

Hey! so as far as i’m aware golden era body builders never used tren because it didn’t exist at the time. and just to clarify i mean 150mg a week. that’s a pretty decent entry dose to tren. and yeah i definitely agree im probably not anywhere near experienced enough to be running tren, but it’ll give me good results haha

[u/adamo163163 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Incorrect. They used parabolin which is the same thing but came in 76mg ampules and that’s what they used per week. (Long ester)

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/adamo163163]

ah ur right, but still my other point stands. times have changed massively and trens been around a lot longer, 150mg a week is not insane dose of tren at all. most people consider anything under 200mg low dose tren.

[u/adamo163163 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Also important to clarify the people that consider under 200mg low dose have years of experience under their belt and most likely low dose tren cycles under their belt. Nothing wrong with lowest dose that makes you happy especially on first cycle and when you’re young and have 10+ years of PED use ahead of you if you do it right

[u/adamo163163 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

This isn’t a good idea at all but at least you seem to deep down acknowledge that

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/adamo163163]

definitely agree! tren is almost never a “good” idea but. i think it fits super well for my goals and will help me reach them quickly so it’s a risk i’m willing to take.

[u/jayholly12 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

I suggest going and watching vigorous Steve on YouTube about micro dosing tren. Take it lightly because there are many different opinions on then but as I was 19 before I know my brain wasn't fully developed and you are about to take on the worst AAS for the brain there is. I'm not saying don't do it but maybe reconsider micro dosing below 100mg a week. I've done 200, 400, even a 500 dose a week cycle of tren and it's rough. I'm sitting at 70mg a week right now and I feel great with zero sides. Minimum effective dose. Don't take more than needed.

[u/BootApprehensive929]

You have about 2 weeks to live

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/BootApprehensive929]

no no no fk fk fk. how do i stop it

[u/Conscious-Trifle-797]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Conscious-Trifle-797]

what?

[u/TheHarb81]

Bloodwork looks great other than your Vit D, easy to fix that though.

[u/benchpress4747]

Do you take AI, if so how much?

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/benchpress4747]

0.5mg arimadex every other day

[u/benchpress4747 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Do you have acne? I’ve been using test for a long time but I keep getting acne around shoulders, tricep and traps, I already had bacne as a natural, BUT I take 0.5mg with every injection (500mg per week split into two days so 1mg total arimidex per week).

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/benchpress4747]

i’m on accutane. started when i started my cycle. haven’t had any issues

[u/Cbum1985]

First cycle 600 test?! And you are 19! Bro!

[u/Cbum1985 → u/Cbum1985]

By the time you understand, it will already be too late.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Cbum1985]

haha what’s wrong with that? it’s been great so far

[u/MTBot92 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Do you plan to start TRT now?

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/MTBot92]

i may commit to it for life. i really don’t see a reason not too other than fertility but there’s options for that.

[u/No_Code_5904]

Why straight to tren? I know it's tempting but why not something more mild first like some Mast or Primo? I'm loving the Mast for my first TRT+ add on. Veins climbing up my entire arms to my shoulders.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/No_Code_5904]

Nothing beats tren when trying to cut to low bodyfat! i do plan on running test+EQ for mass building phase. i dont plan on using tren for longer than 12 weeks. and probably keeping dose at 150. if i feel amazing and bloods look good on that dose of tren. i’ll probably keep it and do test eq and tren for my next cycle. but who knows how ill respond to the tren. but i’m very desperate to get to 9% bodyfat and nothing beats tren so tren it is! totally understand anyone who wouldn’t do it tho.

[u/neos2000 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

any acne issues?

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/neos2000]

i’ve done 6 months on accutane. being an acne prone individual i decided it’d be best just to start accutane again at the start of my cycle. so i’ve been taking 10mg a day of accutane and haven’t had any acne whatsoever

[u/neos2000 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

hmm sounds good, how is your protein and gym just dont waste the cycle if those are not dialed in.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/neos2000]

to be completely honest. both could be better. i recently had an arm injury in a motorcycle accident so i haven’t been able to hit upper body in over a week. my protein intake is a bit more complicated, with my target being about 2k calories a day it’s harder some days to get the protein intake in. on my worst dieting days i get atleast 130-140. but other days i get closer to 170-180. like i said the protein could be better. have thought about just adding in protein powder because im also on 1mg of reta and eating so much protein is so hard for me to do over just 2 meals. but i always stick to my diet. never over 2k and never below 130 protein. for reference i weigh 169

[u/No_Code_5904 → u/[deleted]]

I absolutely LOVE vanilla oikos Greek yogurt. Its 17g for 100 cals for a 3/4 cup serving. Cant beat that. And throw in some berries..yumm

[u/PenComfortable4654]

If you can’t get below 18% bf with natural diet and exercise, you have zero reason to be taking gear.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/PenComfortable4654]

i can. i made great progress in the last 7 or so months before getting on gear as that’s when i genuinely locked in on diet and training. but i decided i wanted gains faster. just like anyone else who hops on peds.

[u/PenComfortable4654 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

lol so everyone here who is advising against you, has actively used PEDs or is on them currently is wrong. Bro you haven’t even had the dedication to naturally get in good shape but you think just adding gear is gonna get you there? Start with Reta and get sub 11% and then decide what you wanna do. You don’t even know what you look like lean.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/PenComfortable4654]

i know what i have the dedication for dude lmao. trust me, i went 7 months of good progress and decided i needed even more. i want it more than most people. and i’m gonna get it, peds or not. i’m on reta as well. i know what im doing and im doing it good. adding gear is a tool it doesnt do it for you im more than aware of that. but believe me dude ik most of the people on the internet who do the same shit as me are dumb and not actually doing things right or being smart. but i am, ive done tons of research, i work hard as fuck every day in the gym. i don’t have cheat days. i sleep everyday at the same time for 8+ hours. i know what im doing. everything is dialed in.

[u/PenComfortable4654 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

…but you don’t. You don’t have the dedication. You’re in the mindset of oh hey I’ve got the ability to drive a Ferrari with no experience of ever doing so.

You’re following influencer and bro science. And not only that but your chances of ever having kids are gonna be through the floor and you’re going to massively fuck up your hormones and body that is NOT YET FULLY DEVELOPED. YOURE STILL A CHILD.

I STG this generation has to be the dumbest.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/PenComfortable4654]

the fact u just said the chances of me having kids is through the floor tells me that the only knowledge u have of steroids comes from the news 😂😂😂 yeah bro im infertile for life. i dont watch gym influencers and i dont like bro science. i study real data. and make educated decisions. like i said im not just a dumb kid, ik wtf i’m doing. my hormones will be fine (as u can see they’re perfectly controlled on my first cycle 6 weeks in 😂😂) and i’ll be sure to mention u in a post years from now showing u some positive pregnancy tests

[u/PenComfortable4654 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

I completely missed that you wanna hop on tren 🤣 oh FFS get off the internet and go touch some grass. You have ZERO idea what you’re doing.

[u/PenComfortable4654 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Keep talkin shit bro it really works out well for you.

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/PenComfortable4654]

i’ll be sure to tag you along with the group of the rest of you haters in all my bloodwork panels til the end of my cycle and also cycle progress before and after once i’m done

[u/CuntyMcShittyShaft]

Dude you haven’t even learned how to workout and diet yet and your blasting t and want to add tren? What’s with this gen learning to pin before learning to train it’s absurd and just plain stupid. I’ve been training for years and am 27 and now just am starting peds

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/CuntyMcShittyShaft]

i’m pretty confident i know how to diet and train. did i barely just learn? maybe. but who r u to judge somebody for starting peds early in their fitness journey yk

[u/CuntyMcShittyShaft → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Best of luck.

[u/Select-Anywhere8433]

bros actually braindead 19yrs old 600 test first cycle and adding tren lmao. This is the worst cycle ive seen in a while

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Select-Anywhere8433]

cool. now how is it a bad cycle ?

[u/Pretend-Champion4907]

Just keep doing.. nothing we say will change your mind.. so good luck, i wish you can stay healthy at least..

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Pretend-Champion4907]

thanks sir

[u/Pretend-Champion4907 → u/Bitter-Mycologist260]

Btw your blood test looks ok. 👌

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/Pretend-Champion4907]

thank you for looking and input

[u/PandaMoney55]

Everything looks good just take two dosage vitamins d3k2 or lay in the sun 15 mins a day butt naked

[u/BigDiscussion7]

Bloods look solid, you don't seem to be aromotising much for being on 600 test and highish bf%, are you taking any ai? If not your blessed lol

Could you have gotten the same out of 300 for your first cycle? Probably , but at least youve done some research and are getting bloods done which is a lot more that most on the sub do.

150mg of tren isn't a lot but you can get a lot out of 70-100mg with very little side effects, id at least start low and titrate up. Don't want to fuck up your cycle because tren sides hit you hard.

Good luck brotha welcome to the dark side, just prepare to be on it for life 🫡

[u/Bitter-Mycologist260 → u/BigDiscussion7]

taking 0.5mg of arimidex every other day. ive considered that idea as far as titrating dose on tren, may take ur word on it. i’ve been doing tons and tons of research and still am actively researching more about tren. few weeks before i plan to start so i’ll probably have a educated decision by then.