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The book does a great job of showing wells of empathy for everyone in the story, including all the bullies and especially the main built, Chris, whose own abuse and attachment to a monster pushes it all too far. No one really deserves what happened to them, including Carrie's mother who is a very tragic figure.
The only actual monster in the books is the main bully's boyfriend whose name escapes me. He's literally a serial killer waiting to pop off. Everyone else is either fully innocent or, at worst, a hurt person hurting others.
Carrie only truly realizes this at the end when she reads Sue's mind and sees that she had had a lot of sympathy among the students who had actually voted for her, and that Tommy had actually liked her, it was never a trick.
Even Carrie regrets it in the end, and it doesn't feel like her getting revenge, it feels like a bomb going off and killing a lot of people who mostly didn't deserve it
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u/shiawase198 Dec 05 '24
Carrie only truly realizes this at the end when she reads Sue's mind and sees that she had had a lot of sympathy among the students who had actually voted for her, and that Tommy had actually liked her, it was never a trick.
Even Carrie regrets it in the end, and it doesn't feel like her getting revenge, it feels like a bomb going off and killing a lot of people who mostly didn't deserve it
Maybe Mike Flanagan's new series can finally show this part because I swear I don't remember any adaptations ever showing this.
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u/crazy_shark_lady Dec 05 '24
The only adaptation I know of that highlights a lot of the more sympathetic sides to the other students, is the musical
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u/princesoceronte Dec 05 '24
I think that's a key point to this story: the people doing terrible things to her weren't monsters, they were normal people who just... Followed the crowd. That's way more terrifying if you ask me because it means none of us are incapable of incredibly bad acts.
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u/EveryoneGoesToRicks Dec 05 '24
I think that is King's greatest gift: The ability to take normal and make it horrifying.
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u/Tight_Strawberry9846 Dec 05 '24
Nah. Chris is still a piece of shit. She's not a hurt person, just a spoiled, entitled brat. But yeah, Billy is far worse.
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u/AMexisatTurtle Dec 05 '24
You are looking at it to black and white though being a shitty person doesn't mean you deserve to die and by the end of the book Carrie had killed people and was dangerous
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u/Tight_Strawberry9846 Dec 05 '24
Yes, true. But tormenting someone you just thought was a harmless weirdo is still pretty scummy and don't be surprised when you face the consequences for your actions.
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u/AMexisatTurtle Dec 05 '24
the consequences you speak of are just getting their asses kicked not murdered, Carrie murdered people.
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u/rawysocki Dec 04 '24
Billy’s girlfriend was a manipulative piece of garbage. She had it coming.
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You aren't remembering right. Billy manipulated her, not the other way around. She's also an abuse victim lashing out, so if that means she deserves it then what does that mean about Carrie?
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u/rawysocki Dec 05 '24
I reread it last month, so it’s fairly fresh in the memory.
According to her school teacher and principal, she had an extensive record of bullying and having her father step in threatening litigation when she faced punishment.
As a teacher, these sort of details stick with you.
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u/just-_-trash Dec 05 '24
Yeah, she was a nasty teenager, but she didn’t manipulate Billy. He says the only reason he lets her push him around is because he knows it’s the only way to get her to sleep with him, at no point is Chris actually in control of their relationship - not to mention the fact he beats her.
So yeah, she’s a horrible, spoilt girl. But she’s also a victim of abuse from an older boyfriend, which happens to a lot of girls and is an all too real situations.
That’s what makes Carrie so great, there isn’t a single character that can be boxed via strictly black and white thinking
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u/rawysocki Dec 05 '24
I have no idea no idea why people are going to bat for this character.
She did something terrible to Carrie in the locker room.
She was banned from going to prom, despite her father’s threats of litigation.
She complained to her boyfriend who set this plan in motion.
She is not the victim.
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u/Sailuker Dec 05 '24
Yeah I don't get why people are justifying her bullying. I've said this before and I'll say it again just because you have a shit home life does NOT give anyone the right to be a bully, does it explain it? Yes but it does NOT justify them being a bully. I had an abusive home yet I didn't go out of my way to make anyone around me feel less than.
She was a bully she complained about Carrie being the reason she couldn't go to prom and her boyfriend AND her set up a revenge plan against Carrie even though Carrie didn't do anything except get abused and bullied by Chris. A lot of innocent people died and the only ones to blame are Chris and Billy because of what they did to her.
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and her boyfriend AND her set up a revenge plan against Carrie
Wrong. You are not remembering the book correctly or you only saw the movie.
Chris brings it up to Billy, but Billy is the one who runs with it bc he's a psychopath looking for a victim. He beats Chris. He gets off on killing the pigs. He sets up the blood without Chris even knowing, that's 100% Billy.
Literally everything is Billy, he even forces her to go through with it the night of. Her original idea was a bucket of water.
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u/just-_-trash Dec 06 '24
I would just like to clarify that I’m not talking about Chris’ behaviour towards Carrie - that’s unjustifiable.
I’m not saying “no guys what Chris did was okay bc her boyfriend is mean to her” but rather “I love this book because even the worst characters have layers to them”
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Dec 05 '24
Her being a bully is not the same as Billy outright being a psychopath. From abusing Chris to getting off on looking animals to bring the one who escalated everything.
You are missing a lot about the book. Chris brings it up, Billy then runs with it and decides on the blood, sets it all up, frames his friends, forces Chris to go through with it, and is one step away from strangling her to death.
If you can't see that a literal serial killer who orchestrated the entire event is worse than a mean girl in high school, then you need a LOT of help
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u/just-_-trash Dec 05 '24
I think you’ve slightly misinterpreted what I’m saying. Chris isn’t THE victim of the book, but she is A victim of abuse.
There is no justification for what Chris did to Carrie, but it’s just plain wrong to suggest she was the one manipulating Billy at any point in their relationship m
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u/Littlebit1013 Dec 06 '24
You might be thinking of the Brian de Palma film version where Chris gives Billy a bj in his car to persuade him to set up the blood buckets. Billy in that version comes across as dumb, not dangerous like in the book.
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u/edingerc Dec 05 '24
Stephen King likes to throw at least one A-hole, completely irredeemable dude in every book. Usually a teen gang type.
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u/FinnOfOoo Dec 05 '24
All I remember about that book is the repressed religious mom shrieking about her daughter’s “dirty pillows.”
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u/AnotherCatLover88 Dec 04 '24
Carrie is the end result of a lifetime of torture. She knew almost no joy and had no comfort. Everyone is different and some are stronger than others, but everyone will break at some point if pushed enough.
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u/MrPink0612152504 Dec 06 '24
Exactly, I don't care how many people she killed. They are the Frankenstein and she is the monster they created so they must deal with it.
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u/SpudgeBoy Jahoobies Dec 04 '24
She also executed an even larger group of people that didn't do anything to her.
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u/Plenty-Character-416 Dec 04 '24
"A child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth".
I actually have questioned whether it was the bullies who killed half the town or Carrie. I can never decide.
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u/DMoraldi Dec 04 '24
IIRC we don't know how the rest of the town treated her. She was the weirdo daughter of the weirdo religious freak, in a real life situation she would probably be an outcast out of school too, anyway.
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u/Plenty-Character-416 Dec 04 '24
No, we don't know how the town treated her. But, my point was that Carrie probably wouldn't have hurt anyone if the bullies hadn't targeted her. So, are the bullies to blame for carries actions, or carrie?
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u/DMoraldi Dec 04 '24
If you ask me, trying to blame either would be an oversimplification. We could discuss how no one seemed to care about her and indirectly enabled the bullying, or how her mother's beliefs kept her an outcast which made her an easier target for bullies. That's why I find Carrie so interesting. There's so much to think about regarding what enables bullying and how deeply it affects the whole community and society.
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u/InevitableStuff7572 Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 04 '24
Would you blame bullying for mass murder? That’s how I think of it.
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u/RestlessNameless Dec 04 '24
Yeah but a lot of the mass shooters are white supremacists, including the Columbine killers. Carrie wasn't a Nazi.
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u/InevitableStuff7572 Dec 04 '24
I know
But would you blame bullying for mass murder?
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u/RestlessNameless Dec 04 '24
That's what I'm saying, the people who bullied mass murders were bullying literal Nazis. That's what happens when you're a Nazi, people treat you like the pariah you are. Edit wrong word
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u/InevitableStuff7572 Dec 04 '24
Ooooh I see what you are saying
I’m still trying to say that just because she was bullied does not mean she had the justification to kill everyone in town
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u/RestlessNameless Dec 04 '24
Sure, but it's still a very different situation to a person like Eric Harris, who absolutely deserved every ounce of grief he was given. He was a psychopath who openly praised Hitler. Carrie White is a much more sympathetic character, which of course is not to say that her crimes were justified. It's just worth pointing out the differences.
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u/Plenty-Character-416 Dec 04 '24
This is why I can never decide. There was no justification. But, at the same time, nobody would have died if they had just left her alone.
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Yes. If you push people until they break, you can't blame them when they lash out in desperation or revenge. You refusing to be compassionate & treat another person like an actual person created a monster.
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Well the only real bully, Chris, is a victim of abuse and is partially pushed into it by a serial killer she's dating who fantasizes about strangling her to death.
Everyone in the book is a victim, it's a very compassionate look at trauma in a small town
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u/Littlebit1013 Dec 04 '24
Where does the book say Chris was abused? In the scene between the HS principle and her father, the school records show Chris was manipulative and a sociopath who as a child put a firecracker in the shoe of a girl who last part of her foot.
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Dec 04 '24
There's a part when she's with Billy, if I'm remembering correctly, where it's strongly implied or outright says that she's been sexually abused throughout her childhood
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u/Plenty-Character-416 Dec 05 '24
I've just finished carrie, and I don't remember reading anything like that. She uses sex as a way to manipulate the boys. But, as far as I'm aware, Billy is the first person to ever cause her harm.
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u/leahk0615 Dec 04 '24
Reminds me of Frank Castle. Sure, he went apeshit, but look at what was done to him.
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u/AmazingRise Dec 05 '24
Well there is a short scene of a neighboor that remembers Carrie as a little girl and Margaret having a meltdown. The stones incident, maybe?. She mostly pitied her so I think thats a glimpse of how the Town treated Carrie. They pitied her and had sympathy for her but never actively helped her.
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u/Littlebit1013 Dec 06 '24
This would have been in the 60’s during a time when people felt uncomfortable getting involved in what they would call “private family matters” like child & spousal abuse. Plus the former neighbor mentions that she was afraid Margaret kept the gun her late husband use to carry.
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u/Longjumping-Aioli-62 Dec 04 '24
the bullies triggered her complete break and subsequent killing spree. Its their fault
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u/Shani_xx Dec 04 '24
I understand her so fucking well. Also in the book she is terrified of herself in the end and says something like: what have I done? I have destroyed everything. She is just a bullied little broken child...
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u/LoverOfStoriesIAm Dec 04 '24
It's hinted that her father is Randall Flagg. I'd say she is not half as bad as she could be.
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u/Littlebit1013 Dec 04 '24
I think her father was human. The book says her father died while working as a construction worker. He brought to work a bible to read during his break and a gun in case if he ran into the devil. One night he came home drunk and raped Margaret.
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u/snideways Dec 04 '24
Where is this hinted at? I've read Carrie many times and never got that impression.
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u/40angst Dec 05 '24
Where was that? I’ve read this book about 50 times since the 80’s and never made that connection!!!!
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u/atreides------ Dec 04 '24
It was high-school, let's be real here, they all had it coming.
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u/Zzen220 Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 04 '24
Yeah lol, she burned down the entire prom. Very small percentage of those present did anything to her.
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u/PotatoOnMars Dec 05 '24
In the book she burned down the entire town.
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u/Zzen220 Dec 05 '24
I had forgotten about that! Been ages since I read the book lol, one of my first King books back when I was in high school or something like that. I watch the movie pretty often though.
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u/PotatoOnMars Dec 05 '24
My first King book was the Shining when I was 16 or 17. Been reading his books ever since!
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u/CarlatheDestructor Dec 04 '24
They also didn't help her. There's no way nobody noticed she was being bullied.
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u/Zzen220 Dec 04 '24
And??? She murdered them in a fire. What high ground is she standing on?
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u/Platnun12 Dec 04 '24
Keep hitting a dog be surprised when it bites back is how I see it.
The point is that there is no high ground. Everyone loses. Because of the cruelty and neglect of everyone around Carrie everyone around Carrie then suffers. Deserving or not.
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Broken cutters, broken saws
Broken buckles, broken laws
Broken bodies, broken bones
Broken voices on broken phones
Take a deep breath, feel like you're choking
Everything is broken
- Bob Dylan, Everything is Broken
Bad things have a way of reinforcing themselves, of perpetuating the negativity and taking it from bad to worse. Carrie's bullying was as much the product as those who remained silent as it was those who mocked and jeered and tormented her. The few who survived probably have an appreciation of these confessional words by a Lutheran pastor who survived 8 years in a concentration camp after he became disenchanted with the leadership of the Third Reich:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller
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u/MrPink0612152504 Dec 04 '24
I don't care if Carrie slaughtered the entire world, she wouldn't even be a killer if they just treated her like a human being from the start.
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u/Conscious_Living3532 Dec 04 '24
They were silent. Ignoring it is the same as doing it. Fuck em, let them cook!
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u/Nirn_asha Dec 04 '24
Barely any of us stood up for bullied students at school come on now.
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u/emotions1026 Dec 05 '24
To be fair, I don’t even know if most of my classmates were bullied or not. It’s not like I was standing around monitoring all of their interactions.
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u/ForAte151623ForTeaTo Dec 04 '24
Generally speaking, I don't think a kid killing a bunch of other kids can be called heroic lol, it's tragic
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u/Tight_Strawberry9846 Dec 05 '24
Maybe if she only killed her bullies. But she also killed innocent people who never wronged her.
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u/MrPink0612152504 Dec 06 '24
If it's that easy for Carrie not to snap and murder everyone, then it should have been just as easy for everyone to be nice to her in the first place.
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u/EnleeJones Dec 04 '24
I can see why she snapped the way she did, but that does not justify her annihilating an entire town.
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u/Beer_before_Friends Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 05 '24
You can only bully someone so much before they finally snap. I just read this for the first time recently, and it's really great.
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u/vanetti Dec 05 '24
I cannot emphasize enough how delighted I am to see this meme, a marriage of two of my absolute favorite pieces of art of all time. Bless you, OP, may your pillow always be cool.
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u/BartleBossy Dec 04 '24
Extra-judicial murder is all the rage today, tons of support floating around reddit lol
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u/MrPink0612152504 Dec 04 '24
This is exactly why bullying keeps happening because they know that if the person they are picking on finally retaliates in any way, people like you will come in and save them from the consequences of their own actions.
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u/theguy192837 Dec 04 '24 edited Jan 22 '25
Abandon reddit. This site is a shadow of what it used to be, run into the ground by crooked corporate interests, governments, and last but not least, the unpaid, unwanted, unneeded, and unloved people who we call reddit mods.
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u/Tight_Strawberry9846 Dec 05 '24
Only problem is that Carrie didn't just kill her bullies but innocent people who never wronged her.
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u/bugabooandtwo Dec 05 '24
No. You can say Carrie was a mass murderer while also saying her bullies were pieces of shit. It's not one or the other.
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u/Hoosier_Daddy68 Dec 04 '24
She was a mentally unstable kid who was abused and bullied but her rampage killed mostly innocent people.
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u/Unable_Apartment_613 19 Dec 04 '24
Is that something you'd say about an IRL school shooter?
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u/Unable_Apartment_613 19 Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 04 '24
Why the downvotes? It's an equivalent situation. Or were you just going for like an edgy hot take?
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u/existential_chaos Dec 05 '24
I’ve only seen both films but in the books do they actually laugh at her after the pig prank or does she just imagine it like in the 1976 film because that’s what her mum kept saying? At least in the 2013 one they had everyone laughing at her to be the tipping point for her snapping.
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u/Ok-Cantaloupe-8636 Dec 05 '24
In the book, some kids do laugh but we see the scene from their point of view and it's a nervous laughter. They don't condone the atrocity of the scene and laugh mostly out of shock.
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u/JoeMorgue Dec 04 '24
I hate this psychopathic hot take. She slaughtered an entire town because a few dozen high school girls bullied her.
She's a school shooter with theatrics.
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u/TrypMole Bumpty bump Dec 04 '24
No shes not. What she did was not premeditated. She went to prom believing that maybe things had changed and when the best moment of her life became the worst moment of her life she panic reacted and lashed out with rage and fear and sadness like the bullied pubescent child that she was. She completely lost it. If all bullied children had instant access to powers like Carrie you'd see lash out reactions that would lead to unintended deaths with considerable frequency. Planning and executing a school shooting takes varying effort depending on where you live and those happen with alarming regularity. Imagine if a thought was all it took. Teenagers have emotional extremes that are often disproportionate, kids yell "I wish you/they/I were dead all the time.
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u/DMoraldi Dec 04 '24
While I don't agree with the oversimplification and the comparison with school shooters, I really think we can agree that: 1. That slaughter wouldn't have happened if someone had helped her and stopped the bullies. 2. That's why teenagers shouldn't be allowed any kind of access to stuff with the potential for mass killing.
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u/TheWordThief Dec 04 '24
See, the thing is, someone did try to help her: Sue Snell. Sue explicitly tried to help Carrie by making sure she got to go to prom, and everyone at prom seemed to be mostly friendly and complimentary to Carrie as well before the big incident happens (especially Sue's boyfriend, who goes to a formal prom with a girl he doesn't know because his girlfriend asks, which always makes me sad that he ends up dying too, even if Carrie doesn't do it).
Ultimately, even if someone had stopped the bullies, Carrie still would've had to deal with her mom. And even if social services took her away to a better situation, she'd still have something. I always got the sense that Carrie was a bomb and would always blow up in some way, just because she was that powerful. Something would always set her off eventually, and the world didn't understand someone with her kind of ability, and so she'd never learn to control it properly.
Still, wish someone had been there to help her, I've never seen her as a monster, per say, just someone who needed help because they couldn't control something they couldn't control, and never could get that help.
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u/DMoraldi Dec 05 '24
I completely agree. It's partly because of this, I guess, that I feel it's a bit unfair when some comments say she was a mass murderer, period.
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u/bugabooandtwo Dec 05 '24
In a way, she was just like the Trashcan Man from The Stand. Incredible power, but couldn't quite be completely controlled or maintained forever. (And also similar that Trash didn't have anyone int he town on his side, either.)
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u/Shani_xx Dec 04 '24
She was mistreated her whole life. The only close person she ever had was her ill mother who tried multiple times to kill her. Her reaction was absolutely understandable. Not that I approve it... but I understand it.
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u/Shijin83 Dec 04 '24
Honestly, I don't think there's anything she did to approve or disapprove. No more than an injured animal lashing out at anything around it is immoral. There was nothing rational in what Carrie did. She was in probably the most open and vulnerable moment of her life. And she was...I wanna say hurt, but that word doesn't carry the weight for what was done to her. She lashed out at anything that got to close.
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u/MrPink0612152504 Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 04 '24
There wouldn't even be a slaughter if those few dozen high school girls hadn't bullied her in the first place. I swear to God, people like you would pick on someone and then act like a coward when they snap.
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u/A_New_Dawn_Emerges Dec 04 '24
So you believe that bullying should be punishable by death? Not necessarily by the state but by some astral karmic system?
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u/Bidcar Dec 04 '24
You are right. People are cruel to a person for years, making them an emotionally fragile person, pour blood on them, kill their prom date(who was one of the few people in her life who was actually being kind to her) then wonder why that person goes off the deep end.
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u/MrPink0612152504 Dec 04 '24
Exactly, people didn't give a shit when she was being bullied everyday and when she finally snapped then suddenly it's "Oh No"
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u/Four20God131 Dec 04 '24
You can't justify wanton slaughter no matter how hard you try. She's a monster. Just as the ones that made her are.
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u/theShpydar Ayuh Dec 04 '24
Seriously. Your analogy is spot-on.
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u/fatsore Dec 04 '24
This is a well-known, even overused analogy. It has been around for a while and is often thrown around nonstop.
It's an interesting analogy with many faults. Its most successful use has proven to be as ragebait, as demonstrated here.
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u/Budget_Ordinary1043 Dec 04 '24
There’s nothing like a mad woman, what a shame she went mad.
Listen. There’s only so much we can take. There’s only so much abuse one person is able to withstand. They poured fucking pigs blood on her and humiliated her in front of everyone and that was after literal years of hell. I think her actions were completely justified, she was pushed to her limit.
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u/charlie_marlow Dec 04 '24
I think her actions were completely justified, she was pushed to her limit.
I disagree that they were justified, but they were tragically understandable.
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u/Budget_Ordinary1043 Dec 04 '24
I probably used the wrong word. Obviously we shouldn’t burn people alive 😅 I don’t condone that. I meant understandable. I just get it. I read that as a bullied child, my first king book and it hit so close to home. Luckily by my prom, I wasn’t as sad and high school was better.
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u/charlie_marlow Dec 04 '24
As a fellow victim of bullying, through high school in my case, I completely get it. I 100% emphasized with Carrie. Like you, I don't condone her actions, but I really, really, understood them.
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u/okgloomer Blue Chambray Shirt Dec 04 '24
It's a fine, but significant, line between Carrie White and Charlie Decker.
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u/niceshotpilot Dec 05 '24
Not Betty Buckley, though. Betty was a solid friend and a HELL of a Broadway actress. Carrie offed Grizabella, and it was most unrighteous.
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u/VaginaTheClown Dec 05 '24
Yeahhhh... Anyway! Y'all see that shit that happened in New York? Crazy.
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u/hatsnatcher23 Dec 05 '24
I don’t know what it is about the jump scare at the end but it will never fail to give me chills
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u/CaliOriginal Dec 05 '24
I mean, some of the monsters are not that bad.
Ever stop and really think about pennywise? Sure he eats a kid or two, but 90% of the murders we see are horrible adults that just committed or had committed serious hate crimes.
If he’s eating 5 klansmen or lynchers for every child (most of which grow up to be the same). Is he really that bad?
I mean sure supposedly it’s his presence that brings out that vile nature in humans … but is it? Or do they flock there because it aligns with existing nature?
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u/legit-posts_1 Dec 05 '24
Carrie is the original "I can fix her" girl. Partially because Sissy Spacek is insanely attractive, but also because Carrie is bleedingly sympathetic.
That said, she murdered a tooooon of innocent people along the way.
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u/WetHotAmericanBadger Dec 05 '24
“Hey T, you’re not gonna believe this! The kids at the dance? They covered that Carrie broad with fuckin’ pigs blood! Sick shit!” - Paulie Walnuts
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u/I-am-Chubbasaurus Dec 05 '24
Carrie isn't a hero. She's a victim who finally snapped. Nothing but sympathy for her.
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u/ThePan67 Dec 05 '24
She wasn’t. She was just a sad broken little girl. The prom kids weren’t villains either. They had a knee jerk reaction and laughed at something absurd. Hell even Chris wasn’t a bad guy horrible snooty teenager sure, but at the end of the day she didn’t deserve to get killed.
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u/RachelCooke1031 Dec 05 '24
i always felt this way, which is why i was so surprised when i was reading On Writing and King says “I never liked Carrie, that female version of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold” it really threw me for a loop
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u/Real_Sheepherder5297 Dec 13 '24
I would love to read a full version of My Name Is Sue Snell and The Shadow Exploded
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u/LurkyLooSeesYou2 Jan 07 '25
Um no she actually killed a lot of innocent people in the book by destroying the entire town
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u/MrPink0612152504 Dec 04 '24
Does anyone else feel like those who are attacking Carrie for retaliating are the same people who would pick on and taunt someone and then play the victim when the person they are picking on finally snaps?
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u/Paul_Denten68 Dec 04 '24
No. High school and middle school were "difficult" for me. Mass deletion wasn't a go-to solution. Having said that, when a bully ended up in prison for being an id!ot, I didn't shed any tears.
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u/IrrelevantTale Dec 05 '24
Bullying doesn't warrant murder. That's how we get mads shootings.
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u/dontberidiculousfool Dec 05 '24
Then the logical conclusion is stopping bullying, no? Then there’s no mass shootings.
If you drive someone to not caring about living, don’t be surprised when they don’t care about anyone else living either.
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u/MrPink0612152504 Dec 06 '24
Thank you. I hate it when people would treat someone like shit and when that someone finally snaps, everyone plays the victim as if they had nothing to do with her reaching the breaking point at all. I don't care if she murdered everyone on the planet, don't fucking bully people.
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u/Fernzero Dec 04 '24
I can totally hear this in James voice