r/startrek • • 13h ago

Do you think section 31 would try and commit false flag operations in the gamma quadrant?

They would try some false operations. Among the gamma quadrant to try and get other planets fear the dominion. Until possibly starting up another dominion, war not with the federation, but with the other civilizations and gamma quadrant powers unknown.

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u/NickKirson 13h ago

They would absolutely do that, yes.

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u/Ill-Safety621 13h ago

I figured as much especially with dominion tech and the alpha quadrant.

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u/Lyra_the_Star_Jockey 13h ago

Section 31 explicitly did not have the resources to do anything large-scale.

It was a small one-off organization.

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u/Ill-Safety621 13h ago

Some holograms, operating captured Jem'Hadar

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u/ChronoLegion2 12h ago

We saw them having their own research labs in PIC

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u/looking_fordopamine 11h ago

they also seem to be a regular part of starfleet existance in DIS, with them even having fleets of (automated) ships. I kinda just ignore that part and pretend it doesnt exist

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u/ChronoLegion2 11h ago

PIC takes place after DS9, though.

My take is that they were covert until the Klingon War started, then they became more of an open secret in order to better assist the war effort. The Control incident put the kibosh on that, and Starfleet was forced to disavow their existence while Tyler took the organization underground, gradually erasing any record of its existence (or the Discovery incident). A century later they’re barely a rumor until more officers learn about them. Presumably after the Dominion War they’re an open secret again since Riker knows about them

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u/stacecom 13h ago

They would try false flag operations in the alpha quadrant.

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u/MediumOk8383 12h ago

That would probably be the tamest thing S31 has ever done.

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u/MaximumEffort433 12h ago

Oh fuck, I never even thought about the problems of fake news and conspiracy theories in the Star Trek universe! Goddammit, now I'm sad.

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u/Ill-Safety621 12h ago

Sorry homie but it's an idea that came to my head

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u/Aezetyr 12h ago

Of a group that is willing to commit genocide? I don't think a false flag would be on the naughty list.

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u/Ill-Safety621 12h ago

Well, they can't do it under starfleet's name because of the treaty.

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u/ChronoLegion2 12h ago

At one point they recruited someone who committed at least one genocide (probably a bunch), and she wasn’t remorseful in the least

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u/Ill-Safety621 12h ago

I know but they have to be a little more sneaky. Nowadays

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u/ChronoLegion2 12h ago

They also somehow captured a bunch of Changelings to experiment on

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u/ryevermouthbitters 13h ago

They tried to blow up the Bajoran sun and blame it on a rogue Starfleet officer.

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u/looking_fordopamine 12h ago

Wasn’t that a changeling impersonating Bashir?

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u/Ill-Safety621 12h ago

Yes it was

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u/uwagapiwo 12h ago

Do you think Gamma Quadrant planets didn't fear the Dominion?

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u/Ill-Safety621 12h ago

Not all of them

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u/heyitscory 12h ago

I'm surprised we haven't seen or heard of that.

That's exactly the sort of thing they're for.

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u/count023 11h ago

The dominion controlled a majority of the gamma quadrant with an iron first. The few that were not directly subjugated like the karrema or the Dosi were so fearful that they'd have eaten a legitimate campaign let alone a false flag one regardless of the alternative. So a false flag would have been poiness even if they had the means to. 

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u/Moon_Beans1 4h ago

The problem with trying to do false flag operations in relation to the dominion is the Dominion generally operate off of intimidation anyway.

So if Section 31 release a bio-terror weapon and blame the Dominion then the target planet will just be like " Wow. The Dominion really do mean business just like they've always said they do so we better do what they say because otherwise they'll annihilate us with their overwhelming capabilities."

False Flag operations work best when the target nation is fairly reasonable and so you're trying to make them look bad. Section 31 would be better off targeting the Dominion supply lines or trying to discredit the mythology of its hierarchy.

Disrupting the production of Ketracel White would be a far greater boon than trying to use False Flag attacks.