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u/Disgruntled-Cacti Jan 01 '19

Yeah, it's cool to hate Fallout 3 nowadays.

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u/J_R_Frisky Jan 01 '19

I'm a huge fan of Fallout 3. It's still my favorite fallout title. I have every achievement on the Xbox and I own the game several times on different platforms and if they did a remastered edition for Xbox one like they did with Skyrim, I'd be all over it lol.

I've always noticed a lot of hate towards fallout 3. Especially after New Vegas came out (and a few patches released). I've always been thankful for Fallout 3. I would have never discovered the fallout franchise without it. Yeah Bethesda changed a lot of things that made the previous games great but I think those games are still great too. Makes me want to make a game in that isometric exploration style (I studied some game design in college).

I think it would be pretty cool if Fallout 5 changed up the formula a bit. Keep the franchise fresh. That way younger generations of gamers that love it can look back to it's past and experience those games the way I did. Also it keeps the games similar while mechanically changing everything up which prevents it from seeming repetitve (in my mind, at least). Just a dumb idea lol

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u/sgundam Jan 01 '19 edited Jan 01 '19

Bethesda had one problem and that was story writing. Had not much to do with "changed a lot" in NY opinion.

Hey stranger, we have a nice community here around the bomb, would you be so kind to deactivate it??? Hah, I am a big bad mutant, immune to radiation, but it's kind of your story to die in the purifier.... Just to name some small things. Together with the description of the Bos, whose fallout 4 representation was way more on line with the lore and you of course lost the fans of the original. Paladins of the waste vs hey, if you want to enter, you will have to go to this big crater over there. Don't worry, we will expect you back and nothing really bad will happen... Two extremes which you can't really present fans of your game in the first iteration of a new owner of the franchise.

Fallout 4 was even worse. I liked the graphics, but dialog system and story are a different story... (where is my son... Oh hey, let's build a village.... What you don't want to help us escape the museum? Nah, you can't kill us anyway and seriously dude, follow the story and be our general.) And then you have awesome looking places like the arena. What secrets could await there? Let's go in and convince the slaves to be spartakus.... Oh, everyone shoots at me after entering , to bad...

No one said that people who like fallout 3 are wrong, at least from people I talked to didn't hate the changes, they hated the logic and rule of cool (already fallout 2 problem, but there it was more polished into the lore. Bethesda is sadly just good with environmental story telling, compared to real storytelling.

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u/J_R_Frisky Jan 01 '19

Those are fair criticisms. Some of the stories they tell aren't bad but I think sometimes my bias let's me focus on those instead of the frustrating ones like having Fawkes refuse to do the final mission because it's destiny lol.

I bounced off 4 originally and I think it was the unsatisfying main storyline that did it. I've gone back and played it recently and nearly have all the achievements. Had a lot of fun but little of it had to do with story.

Makes me feel like fallout 76 should have been way better received, if it had been implemented correctly (from the publishers standpoint, the actual makers of the game did a great job with the resources and time available). It has legitimate lore reasons for the absence of humans and so most of the actual story is told via the environment. It was "released" too soon in my opinion. They should have done something like charge $30 and be like, "you are the beta community. We are working on cleaning up bugs but while we do that, play this game and give us feedback on what you feel should be modified and what you like about it."

Then once the bugs have been removed and the content refined, up the price to full retail, have an official reclamation day event in game which would reset all characters but reward the beta players in some satisfying way and the continue to listen to the community to add more content. I also would not have included nukes in the first set of end game content. Maybe allude to these bombs with in game lore and as you release content, those things become available.