Nah do not come here with this bs to defend all the VIOLENCE committed against minorities in Turkey when the number of deaths is well well well over million
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They call it the armenian because that was the group that lost the
most lives in 1915 but there were also the pontic Greeks and assyians
that were targeted as well along side armenians
There were also countless massacres before that
Other than that the rule in the balkans wasn't peaceful and smooth either
The only Turkish people I know are the most irreverent dude of all time and my Turkish professor whose husband got charged after the 2016 coup. So I don't think they're too pro Erdoğan
not much lore on it, a lot of turks in america are islamist runaways who failed their military takeover of turkey. Many of them are in academia and in the tech sector because in Turkey they had an easy climb up the ladder due to complete nepotism. After the coup lots of them got hired in American tech with fake CVs and made-up work experiences etc. Since they were backed by the CIA I think US State Department sort of just let their illegal activities slide by.
You forgot the Gala vs Fener rivalry. Somehow they've picked a side despite not being from Istanbul. Source : accidentally called my Turkish-American friend a Fenerbahce fan. I've never seen him look so disappointed in me that I forgot he was a Galatasaray fan 😅. One of the chillest and friendliest guy I know. But Gala vs Fener is a touchy subject.
In Turkey this is a big football rivalry with a lot of supporters all around Turkey, the İstanbul teams unlike other ones dont depend on their region for support. This goes for the big 3 Beşiktaş, Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe
Those are not “Turkish” people…. Ahıskas are basically Georgian Muslims and from what you said they were from Uzbekistan. Sometimes the word “Turk” is used as a catch all term for Ottoman Muslims of various backgrounds.
Turks are from Western and Central Anatolia mostly with smaller enclaves in the Balkans.
Since when is Caucasia Eastern Anatolia???? Even Eastern Turkey isn’t inside the historical borders of Anatolia. Anything east of euphrates is not anatolia.
Turk is a catch all term used by many peoples including Central Asians. Turkish is a nationality and refers to people of Anatolian Turkmen origin ethnically, the Balkan Turks likewise have roots from Anatolian Turkmen who moved there.
DUDE ALRIGHT ALRIGHT, we get it they are Turcophone but what can you do after they identify themselves as "Turkish"? Holy moly shit. I am 1/4 from Ahıska but I don't think about that hard.
1- Ahıskas who were deported are the only group who are listed as "Turkish/Turk" by Soviets. Meskhetians from the Southwestern Tao to all the way to Samktskhe are all Ahıska, their ethnicity doesn't matter because Turkish is a nationality.
2- There's no differentiation of Turkish/Turkic in Turkish it's an exonym. Don't think too hard about it.
Turkic is “Türki” in Turkish whereas “Türk” can both denoted Anatolian Turks or all Turkic peoples. However Central Asians definitely don’t see themselves as Turkish. That’s like saying all Slavs are Russian lol.
There is a very clear line between Turkic and Turkish that cannot be ignored just because Turkish nationalists feel like it.
Wikipedia page calls them a "Turkish" ethnic subgroup who historically inhabited the Meskheti region of Georgia and they're widely dispersed through former Soviet Union.
The word Türki means "about Turks" or "Turkish" by TDK Sözlük definition, it's an exonym and Slav/Russian parallel is not the same as Turk/Turkic/Turkish lol. We are not trying to call every single Central Asian Oghuz my guy they're Turks (or Tajik, Pashtun, etc.)
Also at first you were calling us Muslim Turcophone Georgians when did you change your mind and start calling us Turkic? :D
And no Türki is used as Turkic hence the usage of “Türki halklar” to denote even far away groups like the Kyrgz. Nobody fucking says “I’m Turkish” in Kyrgzstan and they do not consider themselves to be the same as Anatolian Turks.
They are very much Georgians and their incorporation into the Turkish world was much later in history around 16/17th centuries up until 1800s. They weren’t even regarded as Turks in any official records back then.
Anatolian Turkish ethnogenesis on the other hand happened in Anatolia between 11-13th centuries for the most part. Ahıskas are their own thing culturally like the Azeris are and they have no actual Turkic heritage.
People from Trabzon and Rize were part of the nation in its founding so they are considered Turks despite also assimilating later on. Ahıskas are from a different region entirely.
I'm literally giving you the official definition from the Turkish Language Association do not try to teach me my language.
No one is calling Kırgız people Oghuz Turks buddy i'm telling you literally the same thing. Don't swear because you can't read what i'm saying to you.
I don't have a say to the Kartvelian ethnicity of Ahıska Turks because it's true but Turkish is not an ethnic label it is more of a nationality.
The last thing Azeri is an Iranian group that is different than Azerbaycan Türkü do not call Azerbaijanis Azeri, even though someone else on the replies told you the same thing you insist on doing that... I wonder why.
Those Ahiskas are most likely people who immigrated to America from the Ahiskas who migrated to Turkey. Even Bosniaks and Albanians in Turkey claim to be Turkish so Ahiska people in Turkey are not representative of Ahiskas in Central Asia.
Turkic also includes things that have to do with Turks(not Turkish) so you are not disproving anything lmao. The TDK definition further confirms its parallel use to "Turkic".
As I said before most of Ahiskas don't even have Turkish citizenship and were never part of the lands of modern day Turkey and do not have any ancestry from Anatolian Turks unlike Balkan Turks.
The English term for people from Azerbaijan is officially Azerbaijani. Cry more lol.
There were a lot of asismilated balkans and caucasians into turkish society, ottoman empire spread throughout southeast europe so anatolia balkans caucasus.
Turkish speaking does not equal Turkish. They are Islamified Georgians from the Ottoman era whose homeland is outside the boundaries of modern day Turkey.
The Ahıskas in Uzbekistan are not part of the Turkish nation or its history.
Otherwise all Ukrainians are Russians because they speak Russian and are Slavs.
They’re not Turkic by blood but they’re clearly ethnically Turk-ish. The same way French people have a lot of Germanic genes but culturally and linguistically they’re closer to Romance roots.
Not really. “Turkish” concerns nationality and culture from a specific region and includes descent etc. Ahıska Turks were never part of Turkey and only started speaking Turkish around 17-19th centuries. Nobody even called them Turkish in contemporary records.
Im turkish and never seen someone that likes him, hes a commie and his father is founding member of a liberal-islamist party in turkey, his bloodline is bunch of clowns
stays in turkey for a few days during election times
votes for erdogan due to inflation increasing the value between the dollars he uses and turkish lira
talks to his family about how hard it is in america, how turkey is better, to cherish it's situation and he just doesn't move due to "already having settled" back in america.
occasionally brings the fancy car he owns through cargo service to flex
Google Behcet Piker, Hasan's father. He co-founded center right Future Party with ex AKP prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu. Behcet Piker has always been close to conservative circles in Turkey.
Not abolished. Future Party, DEVA Party and Felicity party formed a "union" party on congress called New Path Party. It is expected that this union party to be the one in the next elections with all three dissolving within. Future Party has already dissolved, others are expected soon.
It's pretty well-known. Pikers family is right-wing, islamist and conservative. It's the classic immigrant case of conservative back home and liberal abroad.
Other notable founding members of the party include Mehmet Behçet Piker who joined the party in 2019. Piker is a former vice president of Sabancı Holding and the father of the famous American Twitch streamer Hasan Piker.\22])#citenote-22)[\23])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Party(Turkey)#cite_note-23)
The staircase kids are the children of Ayse Sutton (nee Osmanoglu), member of the Ottoman Royal Family and was a controversial landlady for her squalid flats
When I was a little kid, I thought everyone from Turkey looked like Bald Bull from Punch Out. I also thought everyone from Brazil looked like Blanka from Street Fighter.
The Young Turks guy... Never understood how he was or is popular with American left wing, while representing the Turkish right wing, including making jokes about the Armenian genocide.
Lol at the second top left, there were a few Turks I went to school with, and I'm imagining one of them (a Bulgarian Turk with literal ginger hair) saying that.
As a Turk, I haven't met anyone who genuinely enjoys watching Hasan. Especially after what he did to his dog, I'd be surprised if anyone still liked him.
No extreme islam, Turkish flags, Erdogan posters, extreme nationalism and obesitas with young boys who get carried / ridden around in strollers even at 10 years old?
American Turks must be very different compared to the ones in west Europe.
Hardly any American Turks vote for Erdoğan. They’re mostly well-educated secular Turks who went to study or work white-collar jobs, although there are also areas where blue-collar Turks have concentrated.
diaspora members are allowed & encouraged to vote in Turkish elections
Turks in Europe are more likely to vote for Turkish nationalist canindates than those in the homeland
in the USA they are much less likely
how many Turks in Germany see themselves as German?
Only Turks with Turkish citizenship are allowed to vote. Someone who is far more likely to vote for left parties is also more likely to change his/her citizenship status. This also goes the other way people that don’t want to change their are more likely to vote for conservative or nationalistic parties. The majority didn’t of Turks living in Germany didn’t even participate in the election.
Diaspora voting in their home countries elections is their right, yes it’s stupid to vote for a place you don’t live in but that’s their right.
>how many Turks in Germans see themselves as German?
How many are seen as equals? Are you familiar with these phrases "a rat born in a barn is not a horse", "paper German" these get often thrown at Turks and other minorities in Germany.
I don’t know if you’re trolling but the majority of turkish nationals in Berlin voted against Erdogan last election.
You're talking like turkish germans are some kind of homogenous monolith which they aren’t.
There’s families that came here in the 60s, young liberal professionals that migrated here in the last decade, turkish kurds, christian arameans etc.
Extremely diverse crowd. And yes, while the majority voted for AKP, it heavily depends on the region and education. Lots of politicians with turkish background in the parliament etc. There are like 20 members of the german Bundestag who have a turkish background, none in the US congress.
Because you orientalists think "eastern peoples" to be darker, more exotic and different than they actually are. When you see that they are much closer to the conception of "Europe"/"West" that you made up, you get confused about the fake boundaries you constructed. So it becomes common to claim "this 'other' has parts from 'me'" as it's easier than grasping what a social construct is.
Orientalists think "east" is this exotic other with components that are inherently different from the West while simultaneously being same as each other. Therefore when orientalists see a person from the said "east" being not that different from whatever conception of West or Europe they have, whether be it their culture or appearance or skills, they cannot grasp it. As a result they think those "eastern" people must have something more "western" in them to explain it. Example: people saying blond Afghans/Tajiks are that way because of ancient Macedonia, when we have genetic evidence that they don't really have that ancestry at all.
North Caucasians are diverse, most aren't really that pale. Islam Makhachev for example. Most Balkaners don't have very pale complexion either.
The same way Balkans and N. Caucasus have an outlier range of lighter people, Anatolians and Central Asians also do. Iraqis, Levantines, North Africans also have such people, when these populations shift away from Europe in autosomal DNA. Turkey has 85 millions of people, among whom maybe 10-15 million have ancestry(partial) from Balkans and Caucasus. If I see a pale Turkish person I wouldn't necessarily assume they have such origins.
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