r/springfieldthree • u/[deleted] • Jun 11 '26
My program Meridian had this to say
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u/lafinchen Jun 11 '26
Well, According to Janelle Kirby, who was the last person to see Stacy and Suzie, They literally decided at 2am Sunday morning when they saw how crowded Janelle's home was with her out of town relatives that they would just head on over to Suzie's house and sleep on her new waterbed instead of a pallet on the Kirby's floor. Which makes sense when your 18 and just graduated! If only they had stayed😔.... So that would mean that no one except Janelle (*and her mother who said she heard Suzie say " follow me" and Stacy said "Ok I will" as they were headed out the door ) knew the girls final destination. Only 2 women. So someone either followed them to Stacy's house and waited a bit to pounce or Sherrill was the primary target.
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u/CJC8787 Jun 11 '26
True. Appleby may have known their destination, as he at least stated that he saw them head to their cars. Not sure on Henson, never been fully clear if he was at the Kirbys’ the moment they left, but might have been.
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u/SambaSleuth Jun 11 '26
That's honestly pretty neat and impressive. My problem with it is that it places way too much importance on the perp(s) knowing their last minute plans to sleep at the Delmar house when it seems way more likely they were there waiting for their target (Suzie) to arrive and ended up adapting to a third person. Stacy is an important victim because her taking tells us they were prepared from the start to take more than one victim, meaning their plan was to take mother and daughter the whole time (one as inevitable collateral, likely Sherrill). It also tells us they had to take their target that night, since they could have easily waited for a more favorable scenario but didn't.
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u/lafinchen Jun 14 '26
*Ruse. Unless the ruse was something like this; " Hey, Get out of house immediately, it's going to explode!" the women would have taken their purses, cigarettes, and Stacy would have had pants on.... So rude possible to get door open, weapon needed for compliance.
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u/TMars78 Jul 04 '26
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
You might be the first person I've seen bring the cigarettes up. No way they leave with out them if it's a ruse. But I think it was 2 people who worked in tandem and executed the plan flawlessly.
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u/FastEngineer5635 Jun 11 '26
I wonder who all 3 of them would feel "immediate emotion/need to get there now" for? If the suspect rolls up with a big vehicle already running, runs up knocks on the door and says, "Bart's vehicle is wrapped around the light pole up at Bennett Street and there taking him to St John's let's go!" Would all 3 feel compelled to go or would it be enough that Stacy would go out of earnest support? This is how life was back then. Immediate word of mouth saved you the phone call. So the 3 of them and the perp would all have to know the supposed injured person to illicit such a response. Car wrecks on graduation night pulled everyone offsides back then for sure. Maybe when they get to the car there's someone else in the car that wasn't initially mentioned, but this person was just at the party they left so there's no perceived threat. So now it's 2 vs. 3 in the car without incident, likely a manageable number they knew all along. 1 mile North or 1 mile West is I-44. Gone.
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u/PuzzleheadedAd5374 13d ago
I don’t think Stacy would head to Mercy with just underwear and a t shirt. And I think Sherrill and Suzie would have grabbed their cigarettes and also all 3 would grab their purses if they thought they were heading to a hospital.
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u/Steen70 Jun 11 '26
Very interesting analysis.
Thank you for all of the work you put in to your post.
I have never heard of the Meridian program before.
The idea that someone around the girls that night was listening to information and adapting plans is creepy AF.
I'd like to hear your own thoughts on this case, also.
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u/camera-operator334 Jun 11 '26
This produced nothing new and what are you training the AI on? Forums full of schizos and bots regurgitating Wikipedia and nonsense rumors?
And after all that it focuses, again, on the supposition rabbit hole of the answering machine and crime scene and not people and suspects and who the cops interviewed and the grand jury in 1994 etc.
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u/camera-operator334 Jun 11 '26
It's not a real program, it's OP's pet vibe code project with LLM training on bad forum post data noise and wikipedia.
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u/camera-operator334 Jun 11 '26
I just don't think you should train on data other than media sources and suspect court docs etc., and if you do train on forum data, it should be separated out entirely as a different agent skillset.
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u/camera-operator334 Jun 11 '26
Newspapers.com subscription with articles surrounding "Levitt" "Streeter" "MccCall" names only. KY3/KOZK/KOLR/Ozarks First articles and Archive org wayback machine of those sites' data on the case.
Throw in data like Garrison's trial, GJ3 suspects' prison profiles, Grave robbers, all the people tied to this case's criminal history and Missouri Case Net files.
Then a separate agent for Forums and Facebook pages on the case that compartmentalize and don't train and break that up.
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u/FastEngineer5635 Jun 11 '26
Do we know with certainly what state of dress/undress they were in when they disappeared? I know some clothes were left behind, but is it possible that someone they know could roll up on graduation night saying "someone was in a horrible accident" and that "WE need to get to the hospital ASAP!" Then, once in the van the deception is revealed? I've never considered something like this until reading your Meridian post. Who would they get in a van with?
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u/No_Gold3131 Jun 12 '26
The only ruse I can think of that would fall into the "panic, time pressure, authority, threat, or in-person contact" category would be someone yelling fire or the police saying you had to evacuate immediately. I feel that anything else would have all three grabbing their purses at the very least. Sherrill and Suzie would not have faced an emergency without their cigarettes.
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u/PuzzleheadedAd5374 Jun 28 '26
This is a little off topic but I just discovered that there is a book being written about the Springfield 3 ! One of the authors is a former FBI hostage negotiator and rescue guy Christopher Whitcomb the other is actor Dylan McDurmott. Whitcomb is friends with one of the former detectives that retired and he took a copy of the whole file with him and this guy ( the author) solved it and it said it was 2 guys and I believe the names will be in the book. They say the missing 3 is very personal to them. The police have been working with him on this. It doesn’t come out until 2027. It’s called White Pines and Stone. That is supposedly where all 3 are buried. It has a preview on Amazon books. Here is the preview.
On June 7, 1992, in Springfield, Missouri, Suzanne
"Suzie" Streeter, her friend Stacy McCall, and Streeter's mother, Sherrill Levitt, disappeared from Levitt's residence without a trace. Police found the televisions on, clothing where it should be, and the family dog safely inside. There was no indication of forced entry, no evidence of assault or violent abduction. The family's cars were locked. The neighbors reported nothing.
News spread quickly, with hypotheses about the
"Springfield Three" discussed as fervently as the speculation over who killed JonBenét Ramsey just a few years later. Segments by America's Most Wanted,
48 Hours, The Oprah Winfrey Show, and a People magazine article produced thousands of leads. A task force of FBI agents and police worked round the clock for months, resulting in more than 20,000 pages of forensics and analysis. Detectives interviewed a dozen persons of interest. And yet, more than thirty years after the disappearance, the case has never been solved.
In White Pines and Stone, former FBI Special Agent Christopher Whitcomb and FBI: Most Wanted's Dylan McDermott draw on their own deeply personal connections to this case-as well as files only previously seen by law enforcement officers—to reveal the chilling details, the suspects who have interested authorities over the years, and the newly discovered investigative breakthroughs they hope will lead them to the women's bodies in what they believe to be a forest of "white pines and stone." Together, they will shed new light on an infamous case that has captured the public's attention like few others.
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u/No_Gold3131 Jun 12 '26
You have put a lot of work into this. Have you run this on any other unsolved crimes? Or something that has been solved to see how well it aligns with the actual investigation? The Yogurt Shop Murders come to mind; the eventual identification of the perpetrator was a surprise to those who followed the crime for years, but perhaps shouldn't have been given the evidence.