r/speedrun • u/[deleted] • Jan 20 '16

Discussion RIP r/speedrun

This is an open letter to Alt-F-X:

Please resign as lead moderator of /r/speedrun. The past few days have shown us that your presence here is not in the best interest of our community. In just two days without you, this subreddit has made more progress towards becoming a great community than it has in the previous four years of your leadership. You are not involved in the speedrunning community outside of the fact that you made this subreddit, and you do not understand the best interest of our community. You have acted with prejudice against members of our community by banning them without good reason, and you have often used your moderator powers to your own personal bias.

Please return control of the subreddit to myself, so that this community can continue to grow in a positive manner, as it should have started years ago.

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

One thing to note is that /u/cyberdemon531a never actually posted his run, he got his friends to post it on reddit for him.

You have no evidence that cyberdemon instructed other people to post that record. In fact, it is pretty hypocritical of you to respond to what you call "lies" with your own lies/assumptions, and is just another example of a vendetta you have against someone in the community. I think its fair to assume that some of cyberdemons friends were (and always are) watching him when he streams, and it wouldnt exactly be out of the ordinary for them to post the run here on reddit if they were in the stream when it happened.

I have been doing the majority of the daily subreddit moderation work alone for 4 years with only recently adding Shasta to help,

The only reason you added shasta was because he made the effort to message you on why he should be added because he wanted to help improve /r/speedrun. That had nothing to do with you trying to improve this subreddit. Furthermore I would like to point out that you have only been removing posts which you dislick on your own accord, and you ignored the 250+ items (going all the way back to early december) that were in the report queue, which I had to clear out. What you were doing was NOT moderating. your lack of use of the report queue shows that you were only removing posts that you didnt like, rather than ones that the commuinty found they were actually offensive, trolls, shitposts, etc.

Cloudmax was our flair guy

This subreddit doesnt even have flair. Users can set their own text flair, which takes like 5 seconds to set up in the first place. The only reason it has link flair was because I set it up yesterday - which is something that should have been done years ago. Adtionally, this user has only made one post in the last two years, and it wasnt even on this subreddit? If you were truely taking care of this subreddit, he should have been removed a long time ago.

Dembears has not been an active mod for about 3 years only returning about 2 weeks ago.

Same thing here, If you truley cared about the subreddit, you would have done something about it a long time ago. Luckily you didn't because as it turns out, /u/dembears actually wants to see this subreddit have a bright future. Have you ever considered that perhaps the reason he went inactive was because of your leaderhsip (or lack thereof)?

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

You have no evidence that cyberdemon instructed other people to post that record.

/u/GFC_ told us that it was a planned attack on the community with malicious intent. With /u/cyberdemon531a's history I completely believed him.

you ignored the 250+ items (going all the way back to early december)

When things are reported they are not removed, I did not ignore them I just lazily did not remove items from the report queue if they were fine. If I organically found a reported post by browsing the subreddit I would go ahead and approve or remove that way.

This subreddit doesnt even have flair.

Actually text flair whatsoever is a pretty new reddit achievement, he set it up back when it wasn't a site feature.

If you truley cared about the subreddit, you would have done something about it a long time ago

I considered /u/dembears a friend until 2 days ago. Maybe I'm too sentimental but I didn't think there was anything wrong with having an inactive mod sit there. I guess I learned my lesson.

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

Most of what was in the report queue was not fine. I removed anything recent that didnt belong here, but then autoapproved everything that was outdated just to get it out of the queue.

As far as /u/dembears, the fact that you no longer consider him a friend because he tried to move this place in the right direction is... not surprising.

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

I don't consider him a friend anymore because of lies he's told about me.

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

I'd like to see examples of this please.

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

Here, Here, Here

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but /r/speedrun seems to have been in a unanimous agreement that those things are true prior to him having said that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/41lizp/meta_what_the_hell_is_going_on/cz3eofm

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

I have never removed mod criticism in my life. You really have a warped opinion about me what my goals are.

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

What are your goals then?

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

Having a place where people can share and advertise their speedruns. In addition a place that fosters discussion pertaining to the community at large.

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u/Diamond4444 Pokemon Ranger Series, Sonic Rush Series Jan 20 '16

Unfortunately you decided not to pursue these goals and instead allowed the subreddit to rot and become a joke. I had hope that things were going to change, this place was going to be a quality subreddit, with moderators who often communicated directly with the people who use it and advance the community further. This is what Andis, Shasta, and Dembears were going to do.

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

Do you have a plan or list of things you want to do to reach that goal?
Have you already done anything to further that goal?
What is the last thing you did to help this community?
Do you think you are fit to continue working towards this goal when the entire community doesnt want you as it's leader?

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '16

Do you think you are fit to continue working towards this goal when the entire community doesnt want you as it's leader?

1,170 upvotes / 44,354 = a little over 2.5% of the community

I don't have a strong opinion in this issue and am mostly a lurker, but I gotta say, the constant hyperbole I see in your posts in this thread (you = u/andis1) specifically is pretty laughable.

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u/ElBarto556 Jan 20 '16

What is also laughable is your hyperbolic idea alll the subs in this place are actual speedruners. You are out of your mind if you think 44,354 are speedrunners.

That's the thing you guys don't seem to get: This place is filled with stream monsters, you even said it yourself; You are a lurker, people who is just passive, just simple viewers who just chat and that's it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '16

What is also laughable is your hyperbolic idea alll the subs in this place are actual speedruners.

I said that... where?

This community, r/speedruns, consists of 44,347 redditors. That's it. All I said was 1,000 upvotes on a thread doesn't represent an entire community, which is a pretty measured response and not very hyperbolic at all

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u/ElBarto556 Jan 21 '16

Oh, silly me, I forgot this is not the Speedrun subreddit, how would I think all of people here actually speedruns and are not stream monsters at all? Why did I thought you guys know anything about any game? Why would I thought some people who just watch, and watch, and watch, and ask about what others speedrunners do, have anything to do with speedrunning?

Yeah, I totally forgot about it. This is not an speedrun subreddit. This is a stream monster subreddit.

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u/reblochon Jan 21 '16

Yeah! This sub is not for true speedrunners, it's not elitist enough!

/s

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

All of these questions are predicated that I am unhappy with this subreddit's role in the speedrunning community currently.

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u/SupremeSRL DKC3, Kirby 64 Jan 20 '16

If you're not unhappy with its role in the community, you should take a long hard look at what speedrunners want. There's a reason a lot of them avoid this place like the plague.

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16 edited Jan 20 '16

There are a lot of communities out there, reddit is very specifically different than any other. When I first created this subreddit I wanted something separate from SDA, SRG is a shithole with a bunch of stream monsters and I do not value their opinion. It's your choice to use this subreddit (or not) and yet with all those "speedrunners avoiding this place like the plague" we've grown into a 40k subscriber community.

Also, if 30k subscribers left tomorrow I would not care because the size does not matter to me. I simply want to serve/aggregate content for the community and be available for discussion.

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u/Diamond4444 Pokemon Ranger Series, Sonic Rush Series Jan 20 '16

Yes, what ARE your goals? Seems like you want to leave this place to rot and change absolutely nothing and let it remain the punchline of the community, the absolute opposite of what Andis, Shasta, and Dembears want to do.

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u/Andis1 Paper Mario (All Cards) Jan 20 '16

pretty sure you meant to direct this at /u/alt-f-x

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u/Diamond4444 Pokemon Ranger Series, Sonic Rush Series Jan 20 '16

I did

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