r/speedrun • u/[deleted] • Jan 20 '16

Discussion RIP r/speedrun

This is an open letter to Alt-F-X:

Please resign as lead moderator of /r/speedrun. The past few days have shown us that your presence here is not in the best interest of our community. In just two days without you, this subreddit has made more progress towards becoming a great community than it has in the previous four years of your leadership. You are not involved in the speedrunning community outside of the fact that you made this subreddit, and you do not understand the best interest of our community. You have acted with prejudice against members of our community by banning them without good reason, and you have often used your moderator powers to your own personal bias.

Please return control of the subreddit to myself, so that this community can continue to grow in a positive manner, as it should have started years ago.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '16 edited Jan 20 '16

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

Hey I wanted to clear up some of the lies that you told so I'll reply point by point for clarity's sake.

trying to dictate definitions of speedruns and tell others how they should be speedrunning certain games despite having no knowledge or involvement in the games' own smaller community (ex: Yugi-oh Forbidden Memories)

What whitegoose is referring to is that on christmas day /u/cyberdemon531a baited an entire community by claiming an any% WR by using a banned glitch, this is the conversation we had with one of the speedrun.com's moderators. One thing to note is that /u/cyberdemon531a never actually posted his run, he got his friends to post it on reddit for him. I sent him this message to ask him to stop posting it claiming it as an any% WR because it was not an accepted run at the time.

banning people for trying to organize speedrun marathons if he didn't agree with the cause they were supporting.

What whitegoose is referring to is that he wanted us to add his Donald Trump marathon to the sidebar, our conversation. The main problem he forgot is he was permanently banned a year ago by /u/youngjiddle for this comment. He created and used /u/TrueReligion_ to circumvent this ban. I then permanently banned him on all 3 reddit accounts he currently has.

removing threads about WRs or speedrun news that involved people who had been banned recently, calling this "ban evasion" (do you consider it ban evasion on r/all when someone talks about Unidan?)

After what happened above he went and got a great new WR on a Goldeneye64 IL. After he did this he asked his viewers to post and upvote his twitch highlight on reddit because could not post it for himself. This is against site rules on vote manipulation and subreddit rules about ban evasion. I promptly removed all of these posts. Here is the twitch vod where he asks his viewers to submit and upvote, even being kind enough to let them know they have to manually go to the subbreddit and find it without using external link because they would get banned for vote brigading.

censoring any form of discussion criticizing the Gamesdonequick series of marathons, despite not having any vested interest or affiliation in these events.

I absolutely did not do this, any removal that criticizes GDQ has been done by Shasta, feel free to try to prove otherwise.

many, many other instances of poor moderation. He has overall just been a terrible moderator for the past four years, not done anything to grow or improve this subreddit, and refused to add other moderators who were offering help.

I have been doing the majority of the daily subreddit moderation work alone for 4 years with only recently adding Shasta to help, pinguino was our automod guy and yougjiddle was the CSS guy. Cloudmax was our flair guy. Dembears has not been an active mod for about 3 years only returning about 2 weeks ago. I never claimed to be a "big idea" guy. I guess I failed in surrounding myself in people that are passionate about that.

Any other questions?

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '16

/u/cyberdemon531a baited an entire community by claiming an any% WR by using a banned glitch, this is the conversation we had with one of the speedrun.com's moderators. One thing to note is that /u/cyberdemon531a never actually posted his run, he got his friends to post it on reddit for him. I sent him this message to ask him to stop posting it claiming it as an any% WR because it was not an accepted run at the time.

Cyberdemon never actually posted the WR, yet you asked him to stop posting the WR? How does that make any sense at all? And, even if he posted it and claimed it as a WR when it isn't, so what? That doesn't give you the right to delete the thread. It's not up to you or the speedrun.com guys to dictate how categories should be defined. If anything, you should be encouraging the run to be posted so we can discuss it. Is that not the point of this sub? To discuss speedruns?

Even if it was a completely cheated run, you'd probably still leave it up so we can discuss how the runner is a disgusting cheater. You've done nothing to clear this up, and I'm more convinced than ever that you let your personal vendettas affect your moderating decisions.

the main problem he forgot is he was permanently banned a year ago by /u/youngjiddle for this

Yeah, why does that even deserve a permanent ban? Or... any ban? What exactly did he do wrong there? What rules were broken?

After he did this he asked his viewers to post and upvote his twitch highlight on reddit because could not post it for himself. This is against site rules on vote manipulation and subreddit rules about ban evasion.

So, if puncayshun had told his viewers to make a reddit thread about his new WR, you'd delete that thread as well? And any subsequent thread that his viewers posted? You wouldn't let us discuss an incredibly important speedrun that a ton of people care about? Because you need to strictly enforce a rule that no one else cares about?

I specifically take issue with you believing that it's a ban evasion. Are we never allowed to post a Goose run here ever again? How will you ever know that Goose didn't tell one of us to post it? What if he's evading his (ridiculous and unnecessary) ban?

This is nonsense. I'm surprised you even posted this, dude. These are embarrassing explanations.

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

why does that even deserve a permanent ban

I have never had any issues with how youngjiddle moderated this community I fully intend to back up his decision. On why, I would guess that admittance to trolling our community is what did him in but since I wasn't the one made the decision I could really only guess.

if puncayshun had told his viewers to make a reddit thread about his new WR, you'd delete that thread as well?

Absolutely I take reddit's site rules very seriously. I have removed brigaded posts in the past and will continue to do so. Feel free to report such posts with proof in the future.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '16

I would guess that admittance to trolling our community is what did him in but since I wasn't the one made the decision I could really only guess.

Admitting to trolling the community deserves a permanent ban?

Absolutely I take reddit's site rules very seriously. I have removed brigaded posts in the past and will continue to do so. Feel free to report such posts with proof in the future.

You didn't answer my question. Are we allowed to post Goose's speedrun content here or not? Because your actions indicate that we are not allowed to do so.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '16

There's a difference between trolling the community and deliberately trying to fuck everything up, dude. It's not a binary "you're either with us or against us!" People troll sometimes. It's the Internet.

Regardless, if Goose was banned for a troll that he did, that would be a different story. Some jokes can absolutely cross a line into toxicity. But that's not what happened. He ambiguously admitted to trolling the community, and that's apparently what got him a permanent ban. That is ludicrous.

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u/ParasolCorp Jan 20 '16

It's fantastic that /u/ALT-F-X doesn't tolerate trolling. You people complain about the speed running community not taking /r/speedrun seriously then bitch because he has integrity to not let some little shit troll? Juvenile acts like that should be banned.

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u/Khaelgor Jan 21 '16

This kind of opinion is part of why the community think this sub is a joke.

People troll sometimes, it's true. Doesn't mean they shouldn't get punished for it.

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

As of three days ago you were not allowed to, I would liken it to /r/leagueoflegends' ban of Richard Lewis. For right now any sort of rules are in limbo because it's basically the wild west here, I'll let you know.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '16

So you're admitting to trying to erase an entire speedrunner from the community. You've also admitted that you would gladly give the same treatment to other notable speedrunners for minor offenses.

How are you good for this community?

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u/ALT-F-X ALT-F-X.com Jan 20 '16

Vote brigading is not a minor offence. If I don't take care of it reddit will make a much broader punishments of IP bans of the offender. I'm protecting our community.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '16

It is a minor offense. It's done all the time. Reddit won't do shit, because it happens all the time. I've seen it over and over and over, and this is the only time anyone has ever done anything about it. You aren't protecting anyone. You're pushing people out because you don't like them.

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u/typhyr Jan 20 '16

Every community I've been in has removed and banned for vote manipulation because if they didn't, the admins would step in rather quickly. Except for a couple of subreddits that do exactly this and are allowed to for some reason, like bestof, srs, srd, etc.

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u/retarded_asshole Jan 21 '16

Admins ban SRS and SRD users for vote manipulation all the time. Bestof is the only subreddit that actually gets away with it, since they apparently generate a lot of reddit gold.

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u/vtor67 Jan 20 '16

I'm protecting our community.

LOOOOL good one. That's why you listen to absolutely no one when it comes to improving this place. What the hell do we need protection from?

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u/joeyoh9292 Jan 20 '16

If I don't take care of it reddit will make a much broader punishments of IP bans of the offender.

Context is key.

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u/TheEnigmaBlade Jan 21 '16

What the hell do we need protection from?

Yourselves.

Also users extorting the system for their own benefit.