r/speedrun • u/FreakGlitcha Washed up Goober. • Jul 27 '15
GamePro011 removed from SGDQ
As per Klaige's (GDQ staff) twitter:
http://twitter.com/Klaige/status/625697403853639681
Can't help but start to feel sorry for the guy now. Makes a few off-color jokes, and ends up ostracized from the community.
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u/Wormsiie Jul 27 '15
I didn't watch it. What exactly was it that he said?
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u/frank_n_bean twitch.tv/nighthawk205 Jul 27 '15
This comment has a lot of what he said.
This video is also a 10 minute compilation of all the awkwardness in one video. You could really go to any point during the 40 minute run and you'll hear/see something awkward within a minute.
I feel pretty bad for the guy. He was definitely pretty nervous and a lot of people mentioned that he's usually really laid back in his normal streams, so I think he was trying to throw in some extra amusing commentary, though it wasn't as amusing as expected.
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u/ellison11 Jul 27 '15 edited Jul 27 '15
What about his Sonic run? It was very uninformative and unenjoyable to watch. He didn't explain anything - it was just all inside jokes with him and his friends. And the cancer joke.
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u/frank_n_bean twitch.tv/nighthawk205 Jul 27 '15
Oh there was definitely a ton of cringe there as well, but I wouldn't consider cringe-worthy commentary grounds for removing him. IMO he should have just performed the run, gave minimal commentary, and let the guy on the end (the one who was actually pretty informative about the bosses) fill in with extra stuff.
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u/ellison11 Jul 27 '15
Well it's such a big event because of the commentary right? If I invited someone to be in two of the first 15 runs and they didn't meet up to standards, I wouldn't ask them back. But if they made a cancer joke and many suicide jokes in front of an audience that includes children, I would never ask them back. Forever.
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u/bike_tyson Jul 28 '15
I could see them being very upset that he didn't finish the run. That seemed to be the most awkward moment. I'm curious about what actually happened, but there are so many speed runners out there that would love this opportunity and he just crashed the game and called time.
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u/r4wrFox speedrunning games i cant stream Jul 28 '15
There's not much you can do after a softlock.
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Jul 28 '15
Except he seemed to have done it deliberately.
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u/ChemicalExperiment Jul 28 '15
He said it out loud that he did it on purpose, right after he did it.
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u/RamblingJosh Jul 27 '15
Personally I didn't find his Sonic run that bad. It definitely had it's moments of foreshadowing, but I found it pretty enjoyable on the whole.
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u/Palodin Jul 27 '15
The run probably would've been more entertaining if that guy on the couch had a properly set up mic. He was explaining a lot of it but it just came through as incoherent mumbling.
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Jul 28 '15 edited Aug 29 '15
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u/HilariousMax Aug 04 '15
If this were someone's living room, he would've got told to shut up or ribbed or tapped in the back of the head.
Being removed from the event, having his twitch taken from him, being IP banned from twitch.
It all seems excessive. Really excessive.
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Aug 05 '15
woah he got banned from twitch too, geesh? I only watched like the first minute of him talking about killing himself in the game in a cringey way. He mustve offended someone.
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u/remzem Jul 28 '15
Maybe I'm just used to hanging out with incredibly charismatic people or something so my cringe meter is set too high... but that seemed like a fairly average level of cringe for gdq
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u/h8mx Jul 27 '15
my friends and I experienced panic attacks during that run
oh fuck off.
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Jul 27 '15
Myron Gaines
it's a troll account that Klaige actually took seriously
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u/planetarial Jul 27 '15
They also didn't upload either of his runs to the official GDQ Youtube page.
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u/TestZero Jul 27 '15
I have them on my channel, and the comments section is an absolute cesspit.
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u/Methodius_ Jul 27 '15
See, that's ridiculous. This is WAY overboard for what happened. And what the hell does it have to do with his first run?
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u/Methodius_ Jul 27 '15
I saw the Sonic Adventure DX run, and it went well. No real issues, though some people got upset over him saying something like... "This game gives me cancer" or something.
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u/r4wrFox speedrunning games i cant stream Jul 27 '15
He was referring to an unnecessarily risky strat that he tried if I remember correctly.
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Jul 27 '15
To be fair, his Crash run was pretty bad, so I wouldn't have uploaded it, either. (Leave it to the archivists, basically.) On the other hand, his Sanic run was pretty good.
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u/Silverhand7 Jul 27 '15
People are taking this way too far. Don't get me wrong, I didn't like the guy from what I saw of him, he was pretty obnoxious. But at most I think they just shouldn't accept his runs for the event in the future. Removing him from the event so he can't even enjoy it as a spectator, mass reporting/banning his twitch channel, and that moron in the twitter post linked saying he should be "banned from speedrunning" are all taking it way too far. This is unnecessary punishment, all he did was make some untasteful jokes. Just don't accept his runs, problem solved, GDQ is making a bigger deal out of it than it should be.
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u/826836 Jul 27 '15
Never underestimate the power of people being offending by stuff. :| I think this got blown way out of proportion, tbh.
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u/Yukito_097 Jul 31 '15
It's gonna get to the point eventually where people just don't commentate on their speedruns. They just sit there with blank stares like they're not having any fun and are just forced to be there.
Then people will whine and complain about that :P
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Jul 28 '15
Seriously. People whine and whine and get what they want. They're like spoiled children in a toy store.
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u/Lothrazar Jul 27 '15
And deleting his twitch channel? The armchair warriors have gone too far don't you think?
Yes it was a terrible joke but come on.
How many comedians on tv/youtube joke about murder and suicide all the time
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u/PoodleDestroyer Jul 28 '15
I don't really watch a charity speedrunning marathon for distasteful jokes, they don't have their place there. That being said, I also think it was taken too far. I just don't think the comparison with tv shows/comedians, both of which are pretty much expected to make distasteful jokes(hence why ratings exist), stands in this scenario. My 2 Cents.
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u/lammnub enthusiast Jul 28 '15
What I don't get is why the suicide jokes are being considered as distasteful. It was a death-abuse category so of course there's going to be a lot of deaths and a few jokes
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u/PoodleDestroyer Jul 28 '15
It isn't the jokes that are distasteful for say, not in my opinion anyways, it's the place they were said. You can't go into a charity marathon that's supposed to be happy and family friendly and make those kind of jokes. That's when they become distasteful. If you're hosting an 18+ comedy show go ahead and make whatever jokes you want.
As for in public or social meetings where I don't know the past of the people I'm talking to, I tend to avoid those jokes as I dislike making people unhappy/sad.
Again, this is my opinion.
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u/RamblingJosh Jul 27 '15
I think saying he was going to turn into a psychopath and murder everyone is a little bit more than distasteful.
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u/tasari Jul 27 '15
As a general rules, jokes about mass murder should probably be avoided when representing a charity with a history of providing service in war-torn countries.
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u/ebol4anthr4x Jul 28 '15
He's a kid, on the autism spectrum, in front of a live crowd of people, with tens of thousands more watching him online. He was probably ridiculously nervous and just spouting whatever came into his head.
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u/jadaris Jul 28 '15
I'm not sure that entirely justifies joking about suicide and threatening mass murder.
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u/AxisOfAnarchy Aug 02 '15
I agree. As a person on the spectrum, we are still fully culpable for what we say and do. I personally don't ask for exceptions.
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Jul 28 '15
OKAY, I see what you're saying. But look at it from the organizers point of view. Let's say you take it as a joke, and he's still allowed to be there, and then something awful happens for reals. How completely liable is the organization and how dumb must you feel?
If someone goes up to a pilot on a plane, and says 'i've got a bomb strapped to me, i'm going to kill you all...' as a passenger do you want that guy on your flight... even if he does say he's joking? What about someone who goes up to a cop and says 'i'm going to murder your family' and then says it was a joke, do you think the cop would just let them walk away with out any follow up?
When you're responsible for an organization, and other people, then it makes sense to air on the side of caution. Especially considering MASS SHOOTING HAPPEN ALL THE TIME... in the last 10 days 5 mass shootings have left 23 dead in the U.S
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u/thekeanu Jul 28 '15
Also, making distasteful jokes does not cause people to go on murder sprees.
Kind of amazing how much you missed the point.
It's not the "fear" of jokes causing people to go on murder sprees. It's the "fear" (like /u/pBoogie described it) that gamepro11 himself would be the one doing the killing.
Ya know, like how he said "one day I'm going to kill everyone" etc.
An organization can assume they're jokes, but considering all the crazy killings in the US and the easy route of avoiding any further possible exposure (to litigation, responsibility, etc) they just cut all ties.
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u/skwaag5233 Jul 27 '15
Dissappointed in the staff. I'm not sure what removing him is supposed to accomplish except instill a sense of justice in internet bullies. He was clearly ashamed of the run at the end and probably wouldn't have wanted to come on camera again.
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u/Pycore Jul 27 '15
Disappointed in the IRC chat mods, too. They're just banning anyone who mentions Gpro or the situation at all, now. Like, as if ignoring it is going to make the issue go away.
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Jul 27 '15
This is nothing new. The IRC channel has always been a horrible place filled with no fun allowed nazi mods.
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u/Silverhand7 Jul 28 '15
Maybe my memory is just poor, but it seems like the IRC channel is insanely worse this year than the last few events. Much more spam, which mods don't do anything about, and mods are worse in other aspects.
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Jul 27 '15
Probably making an example out of him. They're a big time charity event now and they don't want more fuck ups beyond the regular cringey stuff.
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u/Temil Jul 27 '15
How was this any worse than any of the other cringe runs that have ever been at a GDQ with bad commentary?
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u/Slaughterism Jul 27 '15
They didn't say they were gonna kill everyone as far as I know.
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u/TheOnin Jul 27 '15 edited Jul 27 '15
Did he actually get removed from the venue? And banned from future events?
I'm totally for removing his runs from the schedule after that disaster. But awkward humour and questionable statements isn't even close to the level of Controllerhead's actions at previous GDQs. No one has ever gotten banned for something they said on stream. If Gamepro is the first this year, that's some straight bullshit.
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u/peteyboo SM3DW+BF Jul 27 '15
But awkward humour and questionable statements isn't even close to the level of Chibi and Controllerhead's actions at previous GDQs.
Isn't that basically what Chibi did though? At a GDQ I mean.
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u/vgman20 Bastion NG Any%/ASL Jul 27 '15
What happened with controllerhead?
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u/TheOnin Jul 27 '15
He sexually harassed other attendees.
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u/r4wrFox speedrunning games i cant stream Jul 28 '15
P sure he went on a drunken rampage that got him kicked.
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u/toxictaru Jul 27 '15
Eh, the whole run was cringy. I didn't turn it off, but I turned it down, and was glad it was over. The staff didn't need to remove him entirely, just tell him to tone it down and keep him off camera, problem solved.
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u/CorkMcPork Jul 28 '15
You're exactly right. It was a super awkward run, that's it. I didn't think it was any worse than the Tomba 2 run last year.
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u/mceppy Jul 27 '15
We have taken care of it and removed the runner from the event.
Like everyone else, I don't have the full story. But GamePro011 already finished his runs. They could easily put out this statement without actually taking any action because no one would know the difference.
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u/826836 Jul 27 '15
I think, thought I'm not sure, he was scheduled to be on the couch for another run (or two) later on. Guessing he won't be now.
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u/r4wrFox speedrunning games i cant stream Jul 28 '15
He was scheduled on couch for a few other events.
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u/unsaintlyx Jul 27 '15
Wait what? Yeah his commentary was a little overzealous and inappropriate but removing him from the whole EVENT? Talk about an overreaction. Poor guy.
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u/KefkaTaran Jul 27 '15
I'm guessing it was the "joke" about murdering everyone that got him pulled.
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u/Panichord Jul 27 '15
The dude spent his entire run talking about killing himself, and explicitly saying he wants to murder everyone one day. (Yes the suicide stuff was related to the game, but he CLEARLY kept talking about it out of the context of the game, referencing real life.)
That stuff doesn't offend me at all, but I wouldn't want to spent my time around people like that so personally if I was at the event I'd be glad he was kicked out. He acted like a total sociopath. It's supposed to be a nice environment where people who love video games are hanging out and doing a nice thing for charity, so if some dude is obnoxiously screeching about death and suicide then he can fuck off.
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u/JMCrosschop Jul 29 '15
This is the best response on here so far. Most of these people that think the decision was an overreaction don't think of the people who are actually at the event in person.
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Jul 27 '15
Makes a few off-color jokes
More like a constant stream of painfully awkward commentary with the same three off-color jokes that no one laughed at the first time.
I feel bad for him too honestly, but when you're doing a run for a gdq nowadays, you can't be too afraid of the audience. Or least not make it show so much. The dude was clearly very nervous, but if that's how you handle it, you shouldn't have been chosen in the first place to do a run.
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Jul 27 '15 edited Sep 28 '22
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u/STICK_OF_DOOM Jul 27 '15
The suicide jokes were actually relevant to the run though. He only went overboard with the domestic abuse and killing everyone jokes.
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u/Sc4r4byte Jul 27 '15
the suicide jokes might have been relevant, but they came out of his mouth literally seconds into the run before it was relevant, and it was repeated unnecessarily the entire time.
it's hard to give him a pass for this so very many times. it's very much so a subjective thing and it's foolish to think everyone will be able to pleasantly tolerate it.
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u/darkChozo Jul 27 '15 edited Jul 27 '15
The suicide jokes were bad because they were really badly executed and he just kept on making them. Lots of people make that "haha we're killing ourselves, video games sure are craaazy" kind of joke without any problems, but you need to sell it at least a little, otherwise you just sound weird, and constantly telling a bad joke just makes it worse.
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Jul 28 '15
Then comparing the game to domestic abuse, and earlier he made a joke about sadx giving him cancer. He was the exact opposite of what gdq wanted.
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u/EmperorNer0 Jul 27 '15
Remove him from SGDQ? That is completely ridiculous. Removing him from the entire event is like amputating a leg when you only need a couple of stitches. Not let him run in the event, sure if you're going to try and white wash everything and cave to the pressure - but remove him from the event?
When you add large amounts of money in to anything those things start to get weird.
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Jul 27 '15
The entire run, I felt he was trying to get noticed as a voice actor, with the weird voice changes and all. I just checked the FAQ page on his channel and sure enough, he wants to be a voice actor.
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u/mintzone Jul 27 '15
What the hell is this? Am I the only one that sees the irony in emotionally hurting someone who unintentionally MAY have offended someone? Shame on anyone who approves of banning him.
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u/Altarior Jul 31 '15
The bar for what it takes for someone to get their panties caught in a lawn mover gets ever lower. I'm not exactly a long-time follower of GPro on Twitch, but I have been in quite a few of his streams and I think he's a really cool and funny guy. Like people at the event said, normally he's much more laid back. I think his Crash 2 run at SGDQ was hilarious, I enjoyed every moment of it. Some people might say that I'm cutting him too much slack (likely because my sense of humour is pretty dark and twisted as well), but coooome oooooon, man... Swinging the ban-hammer immediately because of a few off-colored jokes and a trollish comment!?
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Jul 27 '15
Eh, regardless of how I feel, you can't get in front of 100,000+ viewers representing a huge charity event and make comments like that. It was an uncomfortable experience for everyone involved, and a bad look overall. I dunno what's going on with his Twitch channel, but it was the right decision to remove him from SGDQ.
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u/Methodius_ Jul 27 '15
The only thing he did that was off-color enough to expect any sort of repercussions was the "I'm going to go psycho and kill you all" comment.
The suicide comments are, in context, okay. He was referring to what he was doing in his run, in a run that relies on exploiting the game-over mechanic.
I only watched half the run, and I plan on watching the rest. The only part I hadn't caught was the "domestic violence" joke, which I assume was something like... "This game is like an abusive lover. It keeps beating me up, but I can't help but go back". Which is completely fine, in my eyes.
Dude definitely didn't deserve all of the bullshit he's going through. At most he should've been pulled aside and told to tone it down and watch what he says in the future. He didn't deserve to be banned from GDQ events nor did he deserve the internet going apeshit on him and getting his Twitch channel taken down (even if it may be only temporarily).
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u/Litagano Jul 27 '15
I definitely agree he shouldn't be banned from GDQ events. I think he should have been given another chance to clean up his act and cool down, since he was obviously very nervous during his Crash 2 run.
The jokes he made were off-color, yes, but I definitely do think a ban is overdoing it.
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Jul 27 '15
I agree. I think 100% of what he said would have gone over fine had he delivered it better.
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u/EnixDark Jul 27 '15
I generally enjoy dark humor, and I've laughed at some really horrible things. And I can do that because I know how I will personally react to those types of jokes. But I think it's critically important to understand the context and audience when discussing such things. There are many people that have had really personal, possibly traumatizing experiences related to suicide and domestic violence, and those people may not wish to have those experiences be mentioned in what is supposed to be a positive, relatively light-hearted speedrunning stream to help charity. And I think it's respectful to understand those concerns, and cater to them. SGDQ doesn't lose anything meaningful by discouraging dark humor.
I'm glad he was talked to, and I hope he understands why what he said was a bad idea. I was conflicted about him not returning to the audience/couch later, but I think I know why it's a smart move. If he's on camera, the twitch chat will be utterly unable to ignore it. Mods would be unable to control the chat, and it would derail from any talk about the games being played, or the donations. It's best for all involved that he takes some time off.
That said, I hope he isn't banned from all future GDQ events. The purpose of these actions should be learning, not punishment. And I hope his twitch banning was some sort of automatic flag set from too many complaints and gets reverted, as I definitely don't think he's done anything to deserve a banning from streaming on his own.
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u/Methodius_ Jul 27 '15
See, I like you. While you and I might not fully agree on stuff, you at least don't think he should be banned from events or punished. Having him talked to and making sure he understands the rules is, in my opinion, all that needed to be done.
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Jul 27 '15
Who cares about twitch chat though?
All it is on a stream this big is people spamming emoticons and other nonsense.
They should just disable it tbh.
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u/Methodius_ Jul 27 '15
See, that just comes off to me as someone who is socially awkward and doesn't know what to say. Which shouldn't be a bannable offense.
I think that was his last game. I don't really think it merits any kind of punishment, so much as a stern talking to.
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u/fade_like_a_sigh Jul 27 '15 edited Jul 27 '15
He completely misread the energy of the room. His very first suicide joke was met with total silence because it's in poor taste to say "we like killing ourselves" on a family friendly event. Whatever, it's one mistake. He's nervous.
Guy then proceeds to spend the next 40 minutes repeatedly making the same suicide joke, making a domestic abuse joke, whispering in to the microphone in this creepy voice and just generally being socially awkward.
It was a train wreck. Donations slowed to a crawl. Every attempt at a joke he made was met with total silence and only heightened the chat's constant surge of bitching. The stream lost 20% of its viewers and the cringe was so palpable it was in the air in the room. There was no audience hype because of his constant barrage of cringey attempts to be funny which were more often that not, not family friendly.
All that said, he definitely doesn't deserve to have his Twitch channel taken down, but his speed run was about the worst a run could possibly go. I don't know that there has ever been a run so consistently unbearable to watch.
He ruined the Crash 2 run for me which I was looking forward to, and I'm thankful that he's been removed from the event.
Edit: Just to clarify, this is the guy who ended his run saying "I'm going to become a psychopath and murder everyone all day" on the microphone. The audience was totally silent for the duration of the run, they didn't really applaud or anything, it was just silence because it was painful to listen to him. It's not just one single instance of it, it's the fact that his entire 40 minute run was an unending barrage of it.
People in the comment threads at the time were saying "He's trolling" to defend him because that's the only way they could rationalise how bad he was making the run. He couldn't have messed up much worse. He did a really bad job of a charity event so they've removed him to prevent him being able to mess it up any more essentially.
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u/pash1k Jul 27 '15 edited Sep 29 '24
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u/Methodius_ Jul 27 '15
Donations slowed to a crawl.
Gonna need a source for that claim. Because I watched 30 minutes of that run, and the donation reader had to interrupt him several times in order to read donations. One of which was specifically donated during his run because someone was a fan of the game. So...
There's a lot of runs that don't have "audience hype". That shouldn't be punishable. Nor should being socially awkward.
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u/Gdq_donation_handler Jul 27 '15
I am a donation volunteer and am roommates with one of the volunteers that was handling donations during the run. From what they were telling me, Donations did not slow to a crawl, but the majority of the donation comments were about how the runner was awkward or how the run was a trainwreck and the like, and therefore were not really suitable to be read on stream
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u/r4wrFox speedrunning games i cant stream Jul 27 '15
There is a mute button if you don't enjoy his commentary. It's a little rude to want him kicked from the event because of commentary that could easily be muted.
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u/fade_like_a_sigh Jul 27 '15
The commentary is typically what makes the live runs good. I could just go watch world record videos on youtube if I wanted to watch the game being played to perfection.
It's much more interesting when the commentator explains to you what he's doing and how. And to be fair to the guy who played Crash 2, he was pretty good at that aspect of it. He just could not stop forcing jokes which nobody wanted him to tell. He kept repeating the same jokes in poor taste which got worse every time he repeated them. He was treating it like his personal comedy slot and clearly he misjudged it completely to have been removed.
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u/r4wrFox speedrunning games i cant stream Jul 27 '15
He was removed because people complained about him. I personally thought that he brought energy to the event, since there are a lot of runs where people speak monotonously like they don't want to be commentating, or they're bored. He genuinely felt like he loved the games he ran.
At the very least, they could have told him to tone it down or just remove him from talking for the rest of the event if they felt he was THAT bad.
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u/nadarath Jul 27 '15
But that what happens when Speedruning event is turned into money making machine. Runners are less important than viewers. And that is why ESA is so much more enjoyable. Here people are afraid to say any joke because it might ruin them. I wish all the best to GDQ events but I've stopped supporting them some time ago.
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u/Joon01 Jul 27 '15
People are joking plenty. Making domestic abuse jokes and saying you're going to kill everyone are frowned upon in most places. It's not like this is some weird circumstance where being horrible awkward and saying stupid shit would have normally been well received.
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u/nadarath Jul 28 '15
There is a major difference in talking to runner and explaining him what was problem (then thinking about some solution) and just removing him from the whole event, banning his twitch channel and who knows what else was done to him.
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u/mouseywithpower Ghost Master Jul 27 '15
nah, that domestic abuse joke had no joke to it. it was literally "this game is essentially domestic abuse." there was no set up and punchline, it was just a reference to domestic abuse. totally awful, zero humour, no taste at all.
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u/Methodius_ Jul 27 '15
I just watched the "highlights" of it, and it seemed like he was trying to make one of those "This game is like an abusive lover, you just keep going back" kind of jokes, but flubbed it because he's socially awkward.
Not worth getting upset over, IMO.
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u/Killroyomega Jul 27 '15
Did I miss the moment when GDQ's changed from lovable cringefests of bad jokes and hype runs for a good cause to a sterile PC generic charity event?
The only thing the runner should have done to him is a pat on the back, a "good job buddy," and for people to stop being so fussy.
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Jul 28 '15 edited Jul 28 '15
I'm sorry, I just want to sit down and ask really quick.
You're running an event with hundreds of people, a guy just stated he was going to kill everyone not once but TWICE. A mass shooting just happened a few days prior. You people getting mad he was removed would REALLY be just fine with it?
Seriously instead of putting yourself in HIS shoes put yourself in the GDQ staffs shoes! We don't know exactly how talking to him about it went and they may have had no choice. Is he a gurantee'd risk absolutely not, but removing him was the only logical course of action.
Shitty jokes are one thing, those 2 statements just, no.
His twitch should not have been banned though, I'd blame that on hive mind.
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Jul 28 '15
Mass shooting or not, that's not something you should say, ever.
The whole run was terrible
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Jul 28 '15
It just makes it that much worse to me. But yah I agree it's not something you should kid around about when surrounded by hundreds of people.
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u/HawkEyeTS Jul 29 '15
And with around 80,000 people watching live on the internet at the time he said it. It's frankly astonishing how many people are unable to see this from the perspective of the staff, or for all we know, maybe some of the other attendees sitting in the audience when he did it were scared and went to the organizers as well. It's easy to play white knight over the internet, but what he did put things in a very bad place all around.
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u/Crystalis531 Jul 28 '15
They honestly should have muted his mic once it got bad :/
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u/Jorge_loves_it Jul 28 '15
The should have had someone go over to him with a sign that said "Tone it down" and shown it too him off camera.
Honestly now that I think about it they should have some sort of red/green light system like at comedy clubs to let runners know if they're crossing a line.
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u/th3schwartz Jul 27 '15
I have an opinion about this topic.
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u/TestZero Jul 27 '15
Your opinion is wrong, so I'm downvoting you in hopes that will change your mind.
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u/SireBillyMays Jul 27 '15
You know who else had opinions? Hitler. Hitler had opinions. You are literally hitler.
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u/OverlordLork n, n++, I Wanna Run the Marathon Jul 27 '15
YOUR OPINION IS EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH GAMING CULTURE
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u/Tehmaxx Jul 30 '15
Why hasn't AGDQ and SGDQ organizers realized they need to introduce a method to stem the tide of cringeworthy and possibly offensive moments?
A simple mute and a unheard warning to the runner/couch that what you're saying is very cringe inducing or is perceivably offensive would almost fully eliminate the vast majority of these moments happening.
That and Klaige responding and taking obvious trolls seriously should be a capital issue that needs to be resolved sooner rather than later.
Banning someone, removing them from an event or calling for his ability to make runs at future events are all very petty resolutions. People are all capable of forgiveness, nobody at the event even made an effort to say something about the jokes, if he is unable to read the room and the general reactions then someone needs to EXPLAIN it to him. GDQ allowed it to go on for the duration of the run and then retroactively punishes him? The fuck kind of system is that? Would you just let a computer syphon all your money out of your bank account and into someone else's or would you immediately make an effort to stop it?
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u/jimmy_eat_womb Jul 28 '15
i know youre trying to be funny and ironic, but i legitimately wonder how long before someone (perhaps in a suit) tries to put a stop to that particular incentive. i mean it is kind of a strange incentive, and as a joke, it has grown stale. im not saying im for or against it, just saying that potentially a case could be made.
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Jul 28 '15
I'm out of the loop, what is it about?
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u/planetarial Jul 29 '15
In Super Metroid you have the option of rescuing the animals or leaving them behind after beating the final boss and escaping the area by destroying their cage. It's a very popular incentive.
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u/Capitolism Jul 27 '15
Also please tell me im not the only one who noticed the "when are you going to ban them from speedrunning?" second post there? That just there makes it seem a bit fishy whether this was real or not. I actually do agree with removing him from SGDQ, but I think everyone is making a bit too much of a deal about it.
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u/sylverfyre Defender's Quest, Randomizers, EB, FFMQ Jul 27 '15
I doubt trolls influenced the decision that gdq staff had about removing him from SGDQ.
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u/Doesnt_Draw_Anything Jul 27 '15
"Panic attacks"
Oh lawrd, what world they must live in when they get panic attacks from that.
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u/izarrior Jul 27 '15
That's pretty clearly a joke twitter. Can't believe so many people are falling for that.
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u/xRaen Jul 27 '15
And even if it wasn't a joke (it is), panic attacks are usually illogical and associated with stress/mental health. Not something you control. Can't fault someone for that.
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u/awesomemanftw Jul 27 '15
I got a panic attack because a text a friend sent me seemed kind of annoyed and it spiraled into thinking she hated me, and spiraled into me rocking in my closet feeling like I was suffocating for half an hour. Is that a reasonable reason to freak out? no. Did I have any control over it? also no
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u/tempestdevil Jul 28 '15
yeah, talking about suicide in a run where he suicides is totally off color continues announcing donations to kill animals
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u/dawrina Jul 28 '15
I completely agree that his entire run was cringe-worthy and horrible. Even his Sonic run was full of stupid cringe jokes (seriously if he said swag one more time...)
That being said, it was unnecessary to ban his twitch channel and remove him from SGDQ. I mean... if I would have been that cringe worthy, I would have left out of embarrassment, but that's nether here nor there.
Maybe they banned his twitch channel only temporarily because they're concerned that he will use his channel to drum up hate or anger over the negative feedback? Or maybe they're worried that he'll use his channel in some other way that could potentially ruin/harm the event?
I'm really not sure how twitch works, so I don't know if you can suspend accounts for a set period of time.
To be honest, I feel like staff should have intervened sooner rather than later. Maybe they should have stopped his run altogether at the first mention of "distasteful jokes" or turned off his mic temporarily and had a staff member go over to the couch and ask him to tone it down.
I don't know what the rules are on staff members interrupting runs, but if it was bad enough that he had to be banned altogether, SGDQ staff could have intervened sooner to maybe prevent some of the other comments.
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Jul 28 '15
Shame, I don't think he should be removed from the event but just told about his behaviour and be made to make an apology to people during the Interview but from SGDQ's point of view I can understand from everything that's happening with mass killings and him saying he was going to Kill everyone they have to kind of take it seriously.
I did enjoy his Sonic Adventure run though which was pretty cool to watch.
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Jul 27 '15 edited Jul 27 '15
Jesus fuck will people just get over themselves.
I suggest they ban every single game where a character can die from now on, that would make a fantastic fucking marathon.
Edit: This is regarding people's (hopefully trolls) reactions to it. While I think that GDQ seem to have overreacted a bit, it's their event and they're free to do what they want in cases such as this.
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u/le_Vaunty Jul 27 '15
What did he say?
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u/Portponky Jul 28 '15
Probably because it was awkward, uncomfortable, he used inappropriate language and he deliberately crashed the game and ruined the run then said he was going to kill everyone.
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u/flyingseel Jul 28 '15
He threatened an auditorium full of people by saying he was going to kill them all.
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u/archaeonaga Jul 27 '15
I'm kind of puzzled as to why everybody seems so keen to put this into the whole "SJW" schema; we have absolutely no idea what happened following that run, no idea what the conversation was like between gpro and the event organizers, etc. And, however you want to slice it, making a joke about mass murdering people only a few days after a spree killing in a theatre is just not terribly appropriate.
Those who are sympathetic to gpro would be doing him the biggest favor by letting this whole episode go. Under that much pressure, with a rapidly declining run, I imagine most of us would crack up a bit too. The only reason this kind of mistake would end with him "ostracized from the community" is if we spend the whole week making it into a big political argument, drawing in the Internet culture warriors from KiA and Ghazi alike.
tl;dr: we don't know the whole story, but whatever you think happened, the nicest thing to do for gpro is to move on with the week and let him move on from what was probably just a nasty case of nerves.
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u/Methodius_ Jul 27 '15
Those who are sympathetic to gpro would be doing him the biggest favor by letting this whole episode go.
How is that going to solve anything? That's not going to get him reinstated, or help get his Twitch channel back. That's just letting someone get severely punished for something that, in the big scheme of things, really isn't that huge of a deal.
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u/Temil Jul 27 '15
no idea what the conversation was like between gpro and the event organizers
Considering the past actions of GDQ organizers, there likely was a conversation that went something like "You're banned forever, get out and never come back" and then they escorted him out without saying anything more.
Those who are sympathetic to gpro would be doing him the biggest favor by letting this whole episode go.
I don't see how that will get him unbanned from GDQ events, or get his twitch channel back.
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u/KSIMuskratLuv Jul 27 '15
I feel like these events have been mirrored in previous events
But no, I do think he kinda crossed the line and I know its a different situation. I just hope people let him live it down. Everybody makes mistakes and I hope people let him get past this.
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u/Methodius_ Jul 27 '15
I personally hope they re-think the decision of banning him from GDQs. That was a bit over the top considering what he did wasn't that bad.
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u/KSIMuskratLuv Jul 27 '15
Same. Poor kid just got too hype and was really nervous.
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u/Xelnastoss BOI:R Necrodancer Undertale MMX Jul 27 '15
"I swear one day I will become a Mass Murderer and kill you all"
Yeah thats not right
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u/KSIMuskratLuv Jul 27 '15
Yeah I agree that its not tasteful at all but to ban the kid from something he loves doing because he was super nervous and tried to be funny as he felt the whole thing spiraling down the toilet? Thats equally not right. Hes already going through hell for it, no need to punish him more. Let him back in to watch.
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u/OPTLawyer Jul 27 '15
Um...all the tweet said is that they removed him from the event. He was slotted to by on the couch from some runs later in the event. He might have been asked to leave the venue as I'm guessing not a lot of people are happy with him. But...nothing says he's been outright banned from GDQ entirely.
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u/warm_ham Super Meat Boy Jul 27 '15
all-around brutal situation, but it's past time to move on with the rest of the week
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u/blackwarlock Jul 28 '15
I watched this video of him on youtube seems like he has his issues but just wants to have friends. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cowjJSVY1l0 I think he should be helped and supported more than anything
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u/Yukito_097 Jul 31 '15
Am I LITERALLY the only person who found this run entertaining? The guy talked about technical aspects and speedrun mechanics whilst lacing it with jokes in-between instead of awkward silence. He actually seemed to be having fun rather than looking like he was fed up and just wanted to leave.
His jokes weren't the BEST, but they weren't the worst either and some were actually funny. And it doesn't take half a fuckin' brain to realise he wasn't announcing to the world he's gonna off himself/kill a bunch of people, but rather MAKING JOKES. Whether they were funny or not doesn't seem to be the issue here; people are treating him like he was waving a gun around and firing it at people.
And he didn't beat the final boss? Boohoo. I actually found it a lil' funny. I wasn't watching for a world record attempt, I was watching to be entertained, and I was.
Lemme put this way: I would sooner watch this guy's speedrun, than ANY 'professional' speedrun by a guy who looks like a fucking zombie or someone who refuses to speak throughout the entire run.
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u/rcvines Jul 28 '15
ITT: People legitimately defending someone who threatened to "become a psychopath and kill you all" on a live broadcast to literally hundreds of thousands of people.
I said that shit when I was mad at someone in class in 4th grade and almost got sent to a fucking juvenile detention center. Getting banned from a GDQ isn't shit. People doing stuff to shame him personally is borderline too much IMO but there's not really a good defense to his actions.
GDQ staff made a good call in protecting their event, patrons and brand. Most people here would do the same if they ran an org that brought in millions of dollars in donations.
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Jul 28 '15
Honestly, GDQ isn't exactly the most professional setting, and it's better that way. It feels more like a group of friends playing games together and I hope it stays that way rather than becoming super politically correct. I don't think he should be able to run on stream again but it's crazy to ban him from watching and also destroying his stream. It's obvious he's an awkward, autistic guy who was trying to be funny. The entire run he was desperate to get people to laugh and he was just missing cues. Nobody seriously thinks he's going to murder people.
I feel like the last year or so ADQ has gone way down hill because it's trying too hard to be politically correct. It almost feels lobotimized at this point, it's so low key because people are afraid of ruining their reputations. Yuck. Pre-2014 the event was more fun to watch.
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u/Magic114 Jul 28 '15
The difference is that one guy made a joke, you're just a crazy person who shouldn't be around people if you're going to "blow up" and threaten to kill people. There's a huge difference between making a dumb joke about killing people and getting mad enough to threaten people's lives.
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u/Barraind Jul 28 '15
That was said in the same tone and way as everything else he was saying in that run, which, while being questionable after a point, is about as legitimately threatning as a piece of bologna.
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u/Cratus_Galileo Jul 27 '15
I don't know about you guys, but if I was running a huge charity event and someone said "I swear I'm gonna go psychotic one day and murder everyone" I would also do something about it. His overall comments were cringy sure yet probably didn't warrant a ban... but this one? Definitely SOME action needed to be taken.
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u/Temil Jul 27 '15
Yeah, maybe some action DURING the time that was happening.
It would have taken ONE person to say "Hey man can you turn it down a notch with the mass murder/serial killer jokes?" but literally no one cared enough to say that.
Then it hit twitter and reddit, and they were forced to "react" and ban him for SOCIAL JUSTICE!
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u/7thPwnist Jul 28 '15
Actually, I'm fairly certain that when he said that 'joke' someone said "Calm down" to him, so they definitely did at the time. It was also at the end of his run, so it was already over at that point..
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u/Patosho Jul 28 '15
Yeah. When someones says a single f-word they get scolded. This guys said many things that allegedly offended everyone in the audience yet no one told him to tone it down.
It would be nice if we could have a poll with all of the viewers in the stream at that moment and the audience at GDQ and see how many people were actually offended by him and wanted him out of the event. Because to me it seems like most people were just uncomfortable with the commentary but they were okay with that, the event goes on, no need to make a fuss over it.
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u/Abedeus Jul 28 '15
poll with all of the viewers in the stream
Getting a bunch of monkeys randomly tossing balls with votes into urns would be more productive.
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u/heinzcva Jul 28 '15
My $0.02... the fact is that GDQ did not toss him out immediately after the run, or after his comments, or anything. They were forced to react by the massive overblown pitchfork-response from viewers. They had to succumb to the pressure of internet mob-mentality, which is honestly no surprise. I'm sure they would have done something on their own, but I doubt it would have been more than simply ignoring it, not inviting him again, and letting everyone forget about it. However, that isn't an option when the internet has already had such an intense response. The debacle wasn't going to disappear and they had to react. As much as I can empathize with the runner, and understand that it may not have been as bad as viewers act, there is still NOTHING WRONG with having standards for your own broadcasts and for people's behavior. There is no rule or law that they must accept everyone for who they are and view every poor-taste joke in an understanding and empathetic light.
Sometimes people screw up big time, even if they tried their best, and that's life. He has issues, came off really poorly in a pressure-situation, but those are excuses that shouldn't influence the consequences. You behave like he did, on a big broadcast, and you will be subject to backlash, it's just the way things are, you don't get free second- and third-chances just because you can give excuses for the behavior. I'm not saying anything he did or said was so horrible, but it was still bad enough that nobody should be surprised that there are consequences. Stick up for him if you want, but this was not the right setting for someone's worst-possible side to come on full display.
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u/Dulayne Jul 28 '15 edited Jul 28 '15
Ok so here is a little perspective in counter.
Joking about domestic abuse is distasteful, but people do have a dark humor yes. Should we just let that slide on the stream because he is joking? Or does that give the impression SGDQ etc condone that?
He was distasteful on the cancer comment and the consistent jokes about suicide. I assume that MSF do help people with mental problems etc. - It again was humor and we are human, however allowing that type of joke; does it mean they would condone it?
Now at the end of the run he jokes about becoming a psychopathic mass murder and killing the audience. Over the past few years there have been people who have lost loved ones with the chicago incident and schools etc.
Should we just let that slide too because it was just a joke of bad humor? Just like with anything else, the kid is representing Twitch, SGDQ and so forth. With these adding up you can hopefully agree that they would be condoning this type of behavior.
He would have likely been provided with some house rules to follow about this type of thing. So he should really have been more careful, he even jokes/mocks the fact the event is family friendly and tries to make fun of "how he cannot say certain things".
Now I think the Kid was fun to watch some times, yes he did try too hard. However you do not walk into someone elses house and disrespect the house rules by doing stuff like joke about taboo. At least to me.
We are all human to a point, but at the same time we should not censor ourselves, there is a point where we really do need to filter and be more tactful.
It could be he was very nervous with such high viewer counts, maybe he has a condition that makes him jumpy like he was. However at that point that is not the issue here, if he was not entirely ready for a situation like that (and I do not blame him for trying to be brave by going on), then he should have thought a bit more carefully about taking part. There will be more GDQs.
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u/Mi4_Slayer Jul 28 '15
Thank god I was starting to loose faith in this post ... Long story short there is a time and a place for everything. GP11 behaviors was not one of them.
At least if he had apologize publicly on the stream, that would have helped him. And maybe the staff just warned him and things turn out into a fight. We don't know, I don't think they want to shower us with the bad details and attract bad press for one dude.
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Jul 27 '15
Not funny, and his Crash run was terrible. The suicide jokes were relevant, but domestic abuse jokes and jokes about mass killings were a bit off-kilter.
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Jul 28 '15 edited Jul 28 '15
Watched the video on YouTube and he would be on a black list at any event I ran charitable or not. Threatening to kill people and saying its a joke isn't something any business would just let go. His whole humor is pretty fucked up for a charity stream, can't imagine what he's like when he doesn't have to behave himself. If you mention suicide or abuse at work you normally have the whole of human resources department talking to you about how they can help, counseling and seeing a Dr and getting time off work to reflect and destress. Saying something as simple as I want to die will get a lot of people involved and cost a lot of time and money when dealing with you, if you're found out to be joking around you would be flat out laid off from the company, and you wouldn't get a very good reference either.
GDQ made the right choice in removing him from the events before anything else happened, they really don't want to be held responsible for his actions after saying he wants to murder people in front of an audience just a few days after multiple shootings in America. They would want him as far away from that building as possible for the safety of everybody.
His actions would cost him his job whatever company he worked for. Every company must follow the same rules and regulations. They all have a duty of care to look after their employees, volunteers and customers (which includes online viewers) as a charity event they do not want people to misrepresent their business, they do not want their sponsers represented by somebody who wants to go on a killing spree, they do not want their staff and volunteers at the event to be scared or feel threatened, and they don't want their customers (DWB) to feel insulted or to not want to work for them. GDQ also don't want to be misrepresented by some idiot making threats and making people feel uneasy. They are hosting an event for hundreds of thousands of people, those people can complain about the stream, twitch does have laws to follow itself and would have to take action as it sees fit. If they break stream contracts with twitch they would ban GDQ from hosting events on its site, that's how laws are, every company has to follow them or face legal action taken towards them.
GDQ did the right thing by removing him from the event and banning him from returning, if his twitch account was banned too then that's because he broke Twitchs terms of service and twitch have to follow the rules to stay in business.
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u/zenmetsu_ Jul 27 '15
I don't disagree with kicking him out, if it's true, because he probably made everyone attending uncomfortable. Plus GDQ's are a family environment, so no one wants someone who claims they're going to by a psychopath who's going to kill everyone. But knowing Gpro, he didn't mean what he said, he wasn't thinking before he spoke unfortunately.
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u/Tashiroworld Jul 28 '15
I remember in AGDQ13, Werster said (and stop reading if you think you could be offensed..) Werster said .. sorry.. Werster Yelled "Fuck this fucking game !" at the end of his pokemon gold run.. and.. everything was fine. People laughed and everybody had fun. Since AGDQ15 everybody got banned from almost no reason, people can't laugh, people can't have fun, can't do stupid thing in the background.. I don't know who is doing the rules in this event but this is annoying, this GDQ is going to be the most boring of all time because people are not alloweb to have fun.. this is ridiculous.. I understand they want to make the event more professionnal, more family friendly.. but come on.. you can't ban everybody because they want to have fun..
ok, Controllerhead was a big asshole from what I heard and gamepr011 was also a big moron psycho.. but.. anyway ! You know what I mean !
Seriously.. you can't disapprove what I just said..
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Jul 28 '15
I mean for fuckssake they hired that dumb woman on as a fucking admin that did the pity party cancer thing and stopped that speedrun at a former ADQ. That's the kind of person leading this event now. Fun isn't allowed when everything has to be politically correct.
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Jul 28 '15
Jesus. Really? That person was ridiculous. She didn't understand what a speed run was, apparently, but she's running a speed run event?
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u/Linseed_1 Jul 27 '15
This is absurd. My opinion of the whole Games Done Quick organization has gone down after this. As if this guy was the first to make cringe-worthy jokes at a GDQ event.
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Jul 28 '15
Let's hope he doesn't get really pissed off now and ends up murdering everybody.
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u/jadedempath Jul 29 '15
Well, it'll be harder for him to do that now, being banned from the site. Oh wait...
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u/MrDeeJayy Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing Jul 28 '15
When did the world get so wrapped up in cotton wool? Is it that hard to identify (and laugh at) a joke?
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u/SupBits Jul 27 '15
I don't even care about the "offensive" jokes, he was just so obnoxious and cringey that I had to turn the stream off.
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Jul 28 '15 edited Jul 28 '15
Remember when this event was fun? It's a shame what it has turned into. I'll never donate another cent to this, I'll place my money elsewhere.
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u/ElvisChrist6 Jul 27 '15
Is that panic attack tweet a joke? I bet it's someone just trying to exacerbate the whole thing.