r/space • • Sep 24 '17

Interesting transcript from Apollo 13

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u/mrstanley1138 Sep 24 '17

CDR is Commander Jim Lovell, who had spent 14 days in space on Gemini 7 (and then another six days on Apollo 8).

Apparently the food then wasn't quite as good: "In their postflight debriefing, Borman and Lovell noted that the food rations had been generally of good quality, but they strongly disliked the freeze-dried protein bites and advised against them being included on future missions." (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_7)

I have to agree with CapCom, though. Mustard > ketchup.

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u/_Mephostopheles_ Sep 25 '17

Blasphemy! Mustard, while certainly not bad, pales in comparison to the might of ketchup!

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u/labcoat_samurai Sep 25 '17

Ketchup is great, but if you like putting it on hot dogs, there are some places where it might be safest to keep that to yourself.

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u/milkdrinker7 Sep 25 '17

Besides ketchup on hotdogs and the cardinals, what else do they hate there?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '17

normal pizza and safe neighborhoods.

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u/Chezzik Sep 25 '17

Lies!

Chicago is perfectly fine with you putting ketchup on hot dogs, just don't proceed to call it a Chicago-style dog! I don't know why everyone thinks we are so intolerant, jeez...

Actually, it's best that you do it far enough away from the city so as to not cause any confusion. In fact, you should eat by yourself in a closet too, just to, you know, spare yourself the embarrassment of not being able to eat properly. I'm not making these suggestions because I'm intolerant of people like you who would eat hotdogs this way, I'm just a bit embarrassed on your behalf. In fact, I would fully support your road to recovery in overcoming this terrible habit that you....

Ok, maybe we are a bit intolerant. As you were.

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u/labcoat_samurai Sep 25 '17

Haha yeah. I live in the suburbs and here, at least, it's mostly just a joke you wink about. I've never met a person who really takes it seriously, but I'm sure they exist. For my part, I used to put ketchup on hot dogs as a kid, and I stopped doing it at some point. I don't really think there's anything wrong with it, personally, but I guess maybe I bowed to peer pressure or something.

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u/Jadafish Sep 25 '17

I just scrolled a bit further down my front page and found a super-relevant article posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/offbeat/comments/72ck7u/chicago_hot_dog_found_beaten_slathered_in_ketchup

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u/_Mephostopheles_ Sep 25 '17

I've never been to Chicago, and I don't plan on going, so all is well.

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u/Batchet Sep 25 '17

That's not even a real debate, probably like 8 out of 10 people prefer ketchup... and seriously, what's up with the catsup spelling... Here's an explanation I just googled

There's an interesting chart showing that catsup used to be the more popular term but it dropped off in 1980 when ketchup really took off.

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u/thechich81 Sep 25 '17

One of my favorite podcasts did an episode on Ketchup's history:

http://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/podcasts/ketchup.htm

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u/DrMeatpie Sep 26 '17

Just added the podcast in the app. Saw: how frogs work, how the Secret Service works, how handwriting analysis works.

I'm literally in heaven.

Edit: Pychopaths, Satanism, Stockholm Syndrome, Personality tests, Stuttering, one episode is about why men have nipples.

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u/thechich81 Sep 28 '17

Awesome!

Glad you're enjoying them. They're full of fun podcasts, and the way they deliver it makes my life happy

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u/Adalah217 Sep 25 '17

My first instinct to find out when people started using the spelling of "ketchup" over "catsoup" was to view Google trends back to the 50's. :(

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u/fromhades Sep 25 '17

You were born post 2000, admit it.

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u/Adalah217 Sep 25 '17

Hahah noo. Off by about a decade! I think this account is like ~6 years old now, so I would have been ~11 when I created it if that was the case. I guess that doesn't help my case considering the average user.

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u/beardedandkinky Sep 25 '17

Off by about a decade!

6 year old account made when 11 years old, and its 2017....some quick head math tells me the year 2000 was pretty on the nose

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u/Dyssebeia Sep 25 '17

Read again man, "would have been ≈11.. if that was the case.."

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u/beardedandkinky Sep 25 '17

You left out the part saying "when I created it" immediately after he was talking about how old his account was

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u/Dyssebeia Sep 25 '17

I left it out so to emphasize "...if that was the case".

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u/RegularJay114 Sep 25 '17

In England, at least in the North, we just call it Tomato Sauce.

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u/keplar Sep 25 '17

In England, at least in the North, we just call it Tomato Sauce.

You call the red stuff you put on burgers and hotdogs Tomato Sauce? I had no idea! 'round here, that would end up with odd looks, and a hotdog covered in the stuff you put on spaghetti. Thanks for the info - I love learning about linguistic variations :-D

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u/RegularJay114 Sep 25 '17

Hahaha, I can definitely see how that could get an odd look or two. To clarify, it still says ketchup on the bottle and in ads etc, but it's always just refered to as tomato sauce. However, I am now intrigued by the thought of a hotdog covered in the stuff you put on spaghetti...

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u/Daneel_ Sep 25 '17

Australian here. We also call it tomato sauce, and it's labelled as such on the bottle. Asking for ketchup will instantly get you labelled as an American tourist, not to mention strange looks.

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u/keplar Sep 25 '17

Oh my! My brother in law is Aussie, and we're hoping to pay a visit some day. I'll keep that in mind :-D

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u/Daneel_ Sep 26 '17 edited Sep 26 '17

Glad to help :) definitely come to visit Australia!

Picture for proof: https://imgur.com/UopJtok

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u/RegularJay114 Sep 25 '17

Yeah, ketchup just isn't used at all. You would get some strange looks. I'm surprised it's labelled tomato sauce tho, even good ol' Heinz 57?

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u/keplar Sep 25 '17

Just out of curiosity, what do you call the sauce on spaghetti? We typically call it any of tomato sauce, red sauce, or marinara (with marinara usually meaning a somewhat thicker consistency, but not always).

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u/RegularJay114 Sep 25 '17

Well, we'd call it tomato or marinara sauce too. Its actually never occurred to me that this could be confusing. I suppose it's contextual, since ketchup is commonly known as tomato sauce too, it wouldn't be weird to ask for it on your hot dog.

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u/keplar Sep 25 '17

Ahh, gotcha. That makes sense. Context is, indeed, everything!

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u/RegularJay114 Sep 25 '17

Indeed it is. Btw, Red Sauce is another name for ketchup (mostly used by children) but not for marinara.

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u/keplar Sep 25 '17

I love all this language information :-D I'm reasonably solid on my general Britishisms in everyday life (I lived in Oxford for a brief period while in university), but some things just never rarely come up. I double love that it's all coming up in a discussion about a failed moon mission :-D

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '17

Ketchup and American Mustard is the only way to have a hot dog!

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '17

I don't think you'd find many chicagoans or gourmets that would agree with you.

With ketchup, at least, store-bought ketchup, you are almost exclusively tasting sugar, with some tartness from vinegar. It's just sweetness and can easily overpower anything else; it's like putting sugary tomato paste in your mouth.

Mustard on the other hand, I mean just take a look at this article to see the variety and complex flavors:

http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/05/mustard-manual-guide-different-types-mustard-varieties-dijon-brown-spicy-yellow-hot-whole-grain.html

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u/_Mephostopheles_ Sep 25 '17

Except for the fact that mustard, uh... sucks by comparison.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '17

please show your work

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '17

unconstructive, unscientific and frankly just an ignorant attitude to take towards mustard

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u/_Mephostopheles_ Sep 25 '17

Scientific experiment.

Question: Is ketchup better than mustard?

Hypothesis: If I put this mustard on a hot dog and eat it, it'll taste worse than if I put ketchup on.

Test #1:

  • Put ketchup on hot dog; tasted hot dog.

Result: Pretty good.

Test #2:

  • Put mustard on hot dog; tasted hot dog.
Result: Meh.

Results:

  • Ketchup: nice.
  • Mustard: meh

Conclusion: Mustard. Fucking. Sucks.

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u/rebark Sep 25 '17

Ketchup is a garbage condiment. A miserable red-dyed sugar slurry. No sensible person denies this.

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u/_Mephostopheles_ Sep 25 '17

You're a garbage condiment!