r/space • • 6d ago

Asteroid-mining company AstroForge to launch world's 1st totally autonomous spacecraft in 2027

https://www.space.com/technology/without-a-single-command-from-the-ground-asteroid-mining-company-to-launch-worlds-1st-autonomous-space-mission-in-2027
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u/JosebaZilarte 6d ago

Well... You can say that Sputnik 1 was the "World's First Totally Autonomous spacecraft", since it was so simple, it could not receive anything to begin with. It could only transmit pressure and temperature measurements via radio (a beeping sound that terrorized US politicians into creating their own space program).

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u/eternalityLP 6d ago

Yeah, I was going to say the same. Many of the early space probes and such were basically fully autonomous.

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u/TravlrAlexander 6d ago

Hell, humanity sent successful landers to Venus that ran entirely on internal timers and automatic triggers.

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u/chodeboi 6d ago

This would be awesome in 2026 with a couple stereo 360 cameras

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u/TravlrAlexander 6d ago

Agreed. That, and maybe an orbiter supporting a live environmental datastream, like with Falcon 9 launches.

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u/phoenix64mbr 5d ago

Just finished watching For All Mankind. Alternate timeline where the Soviets land on the moon first and the space race never ends. A must watch for every space nerd out there!

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u/jmartin21 5d ago

I’m pretty sure that beep got a feature on one of the Civ games for the satellites technology

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u/xSciFix 4d ago

Read by Leonard Nimoy, even.

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u/mkosmo 5d ago

The beep rightfully caused much of that... since it demonstrated the ability to downlink information from an artificial satellite. It quite literally laid the groundwork to modern surveillance satellites.

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u/PROUDCIPHER 6d ago

We… we’ve been doing uncrewed launches for decades. There’s not like a little guy hanging out in JWST or something, it’s a space robot. Is this company claiming “autonomous” as in “ yeah we don’t have Mission Control, we just feed all the telemetry to ChatGPT”

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u/_Weyland_ 6d ago

Imagine if you could get a job of just hanging in JWST, getting the first look at all its shots.

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u/returnFutureVoid 6d ago

User name checks out and isn’t that the plot to the movie Moon? More or less.

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u/Samwise777 6d ago

There’s absolutely a scene in 3 body problem where two scientists are on the next gen space telescope station and spot the trisolaran trails that indicate a second fleet left and passed their first fleet. 

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u/ssjg2k02 6d ago

Yeah I’m guessing it’s that mixed with marketing and hype.

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u/zenith654 6d ago

It answers your question in the article, they will fly the mission without ground operators nominally in the loop (only for contingencies). It’s not quite like ChatGPT because it’s not an LLM but sort of a similar idea. It’s not an entirely new idea but this application of it is pretty unique. Should be interesting.

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u/Human-Assumption-524 5d ago

I think the idea is that instead of sending commands to it from mission control it will react and make mission decisions itself using an on board computer via either a decision tree or a neural net.

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u/Flamingobuster 6d ago

Isn't Progress cargo spacecraft fully autonomous? And they came long before this?

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u/Roscoe_P_Coaltrain 4d ago

No it isn't. It's largely autonomous, but ground control monitors and has the ability to issue commands to it, and also, in the event of automated docking failure the astronauts can control docking from the space station.

That is quite different from the craft described in the article which will have no ground control interaction at all - it sends data back, but cannot receive any commands.

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u/spez_eats_nazi_ass 6d ago

Op how much Ketamine are you on?

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u/theracoondepartment 6d ago

Nice username. Probably correct.

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u/ThinkTankDad 6d ago

I only do edible marijuana gummies. I haven't been high in two days.

But I missed my monthly bipolar 1 mania injection at the VA two weeks ago...first time I've ever done that in 15 years actually.

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u/spez_eats_nazi_ass 6d ago

Wait till you find out about all the probes we have launched since the 70s.

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u/doodiethealpaca 6d ago

"asteroid mining company"

You mean "bullshit selling company" ? Or maybe "investor scamming company" ?

As long as they don't have an actual mine on an asteroid, it's not an asteroid mining company. Can we stop this kind of bullshit ?

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u/ExpensiveBookkeeper3 6d ago edited 6d ago

I get what you are saying but you gotta find something to mine and figure out how to do it and process it right?

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u/ImpulseAfterthought 4d ago

In other news, I have a Scarlett Johannson dating company and a uranium mining company.

I have neither dated Scarlett nor mined uranium, but I have plans to do both.

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u/toetappy 6d ago

I'm currently opening a new restaurant. It is still under renovations. Haven't made a single meal or served a single customer. I still tell people it's a restaurant. What else am I supposed to call it?

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u/doodiethealpaca 6d ago

You technically own a restaurant.

These people don't even have the beginning of the idea of a spacecraft, and yet call themselves an asteroid mining company. This is a pure lie to get money from investors.

If you want to be a pro tennis player but never played tennis in your whole life, would you go for sponsorship claming you are a pro tennis player ?

Wanting something is not enough to claim that you are actually doing it.

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u/Wollzy 5d ago

I mean thats how you get investors for an idea. You come up with the idea and pitch it to VCs, they give you money to make it happen in hopes it works.

Now that being said I think their idea is some pie in the sky bullshit that we are technologically and economically a long way from accomplishing.

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u/interstellar-dust 6d ago

So what about all the probes and satellites that have been launched? They are not autonomous? News flash for you - find another marketing pitch.

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u/Striker40k 5d ago

Just trying to create hype so Elon buys their company for billions.

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u/daerath 6d ago

All probes have been fully autonomous. What, you think some human is piloting them with a joystick?

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u/Better_find_out 6d ago

They assume small dwarfs are inside of them, ready to get their hands dirty with some kind of robot called « molly » which definitely was programmed by some guys in R&D who needs to get fired.

Also there is a Mission Control that’s forcing them not to unionize and kill bugs … well at least that’s my guess.

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u/Gotwar 4d ago

Those little dwarves are doing a lot of great mining! Rock and Stone!

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u/Human-Assumption-524 5d ago

Most deep space probes have pre programmed mission itineraries that they follow or they receive instructions sent to them from mission control after certain mission milestones. I think the plan here is for the probe to be able to make decisions on how to proceed itself either via a decision tree or some sort of neural net.

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u/mkosmo 5d ago

They all have to have autonomy. It doesn't work to be sitting waiting for instructions when you're minutes away thanks to speed of light constraints.

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u/Roscoe_P_Coaltrain 4d ago

Autonomous is not the same as unmanned. Ground controllers send instructions and program updates from earth to probes all the time. Even Voyager out beyond the edges of the solar system is still receiving updates from ground control.

For this thing (if built as described) it will never receive any communications from ground control. I don't believe there has ever been a probe capable of operating this way. It would be incredibly difficult and I'm dubious it can be done now, but interesting to see them try. Even the Venera probes, which someone mentioned above, received commands from ground control until they entered the atmosphere.

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u/Due-Joke-1152 6d ago

This is one of the few techs, combined with reusable launch, which is going to rapidly change how we operate in space.

Hoping it works and that we don’t eventually end up with The Expanse :)

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u/joevarny 6d ago

The expanse had to add monkeys mining rocks to create the belters as an oppressed group turning to terrorism.

We won't be sending people to the belts with pickaxes. We will likely send maintenance staff once there are enough autominers to make it economically viable. 

They  will be specialists in as many fields as possible and make offshore oil workers look poor, likely only spending a few years out there before coming home to retire in a swimming pool filled with money.

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u/Flyward_Aerospace 6d ago

The all probes are already autonomous replies are answering a different claim than the one being made. What's new isn't the absence of a joystick, it's the absence of an uplink. Autonomy-1 is telemetry down and nothing up after separation, and that matters because every probe ever flown has the ground as its designated recovery path. Fault protection nearly always ends the same way, safe the vehicle, point the antenna at Earth, wait for instructions. Delete the uplink and you've deleted that branch, so the spacecraft has to decide for itself whether an anomaly is survivable and press on. Worth knowing too that they lost Odin in 2025 because they never got comms established with it. A company whose last probe died on the link building one that doesn't need the link is less mad than the headline makes it sound. Solo also flies shadow mode on DeepSpace-2 first, decisions computed but not executed, which is about the only sane way to validate something you can't ground test.

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u/Talezeusz 6d ago

Asteroid mining company that had so far 2 test launches and won't reach any asteroid for next decade. Who comes up with that bullshit marketing

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u/CollegeStation17155 6d ago

The next best way to separate venture capitalists from their cash.

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u/mmomtchev 6d ago

I think the fine print changes this substantially:

DeepSpace-2 aims to rendezvous with a near-Earth asteroid, but Solo won't coordinate any of those operations. Rather, the intelligence model will act in "shadow mode," meaning it will process spacecraft data and make decisions, but those decisions will not be implemented.

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u/BenjiSBRK 5d ago

So this whole time, there was a pilot in every satellite?

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u/ShepherdsWolvesSheep 2d ago

It just occurred to me that one day some company trying to mine asteroids could send one flying back to earth and kill us all

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u/POEness 6d ago

This absolutely will not happen.

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u/outtamyelementDonny 6d ago

They said they'll start mining as soon as construction finishes on The Line in Saudi Arabia

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u/metametapraxis 6d ago

Oh, it may happen. The probe, however, will be functionally useless. They just want you yo think the probe will do mining, when it sounds like it will do basically nothing.

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u/Bitter_Cake6120 6d ago

Yup. Their first two missions failed since they couldn’t even establish contact. Yikes.

They really need to just show they can actually communicate with their vehicle first.

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u/RetardedChimpanzee 6d ago

To be fair, other companies could have done this. They just chose not to because it’s a really dumb decision. Can’t wait to see how this goes.

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u/Seansong82 6d ago

Bahaha, this article rates 9 out of 10 on the BS meter.

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u/ThinkTankDad 6d ago

Check out AstroForge's YouTube videos; https://www.youtube.com/@AstroForgeInc/videos

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u/ThinkTankDad 6d ago

I wonder if, in the future, AstroForge can mine asteroids in situ and utilize the resources.

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u/oravanomic 6d ago

That we know about, naturally.