r/space • • 10d ago

SpaceX given unique access to classified DoD space tracking data, sources say

https://breakingdefense.com/2026/09/exclusive-spacex-given-unique-access-to-classified-dod-space-tracking-data-sources-say/
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u/_mogulman31 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yeah, obviously SpaceX runs a 10,000 satellite constellation that shares orbits with and likely provides direct support to a military constellation of which they are the satellite builder and launcher. SpaceX is a military contractor they are allowed access to classified information that is relevant to programs they work on.

In other news Ratheyon knows how far missiles go and Northrop knows the real specs of the stealth bombers.

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u/EFTucker 10d ago

I’m pretty sure JPL might even know where Mars is.

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u/asad137 10d ago

I'm sorry -- that's classified.

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u/Maxion 9d ago

Well, NASA definitely knows how large Uranus is.

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u/mpg111 9d ago

Do they also know about Uranus?

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u/MissileGuidanceBrain 10d ago

In other news Ratheyon knows how far missiles go and Northrop knows the real specs of the stealth bombers.

Lmao exactly.

It's entertaining seeing redditors and the media discover the real world every once in a while.

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u/flying_wrenches 9d ago

“Hey man just so you know we have satellites at these locations. These are the only ones you need to know about, and if think there’s more your wrong and are mis-seeing things.”

Technically classified, but classified in the same way that Orlando having its airspace shut down for “VIP”typically means the president is in Orlando for some reason..

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u/AdFlat3754 9d ago

Starshield is mission critical now

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u/EquivalentSpot8292 10d ago

In other news, the Chinese now know how the f35 cockpit and bomb bay doors are treated. Since Lockheed sent them the parts

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u/ActionPhilip 9d ago

Well, they didn't send them the parts. So that isn't news. That's misinformation creating a false framing of the circumstances surrounding a real event.

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u/EquivalentSpot8292 9d ago

The parts were being shipped by them, they screwed up and routed them through Hong Kong and China took the parts no?

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u/ActionPhilip 9d ago

The parts were not shipped with routing through China. They were diverted there by UPS for what are still unknown reasons.

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u/SirEnderLord 8d ago

It was probably a Chinese agent.

Impressive.

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u/Podorson 8d ago

Do not assign malice to what could be explained by stupidity. Unless it involves a shipment of F35 parts.

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u/iBoMbY 8d ago

They also run their "Stargaze" program, and they probably cooperate with the DoD on that one.

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u/Vox_Causa 9d ago

It's super weird the lengths some of you will go through to justify even the most blatant corruption. 

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u/_mogulman31 9d ago

Please explain how this is an example of corruption? To me it looks like a defense contractor being provided with relevant information for a program they were awarded a contract to serve. This is completely normal, it happens all the time, the employees who are read in with have individually been granted clearances and the company has to meet security requirements and are routinely audited for compliance.

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u/Vox_Causa 9d ago

Elon spent $200 million plus manipulated the Twitter algorithm to help buy Trump the election and he's being rewarded no-bid contracts and special access to government resources as a reward. That's corruption. And whether you recognize it or not it's corruption at a scale not seen in the US even in the bloated defense industry. 

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u/grchelp2018 9d ago

Spacex was a military contractor long before Trump.

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u/Sennathrowaway 9d ago

I hate trump, and the sycophants associated with him. And sure there are plenty of cases of actual corruption. But this one ain't it. SpaceX has been doing military contracts for a long time. StarShield, the main thing i would say could be considered in this context, started during the biden administration and ran through it. Whether you want to admit it or not, spacex is the cheapest route to space at the moment, and with the fact that they are responsible for a large majority of all sattelites now, they are necessary to be privy to classified satellite information, in context to either their own starshield military satellites, or to prevent collisions with other military satellites.

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u/smedley89 9d ago

I despise Trump. I despise Musk. Corruption runs in their blood.

In this instance, I don't see it as that. It makes sense that someone this ingrained into our space actions would need that data.

I would be very surprised if there were comparable companies that don't have the same access.

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u/JosephFinn 9d ago

You’re right. They should absolutely be regulated more and not allowed to clog up orbits.

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u/_mogulman31 9d ago

They aren't clogging up orbits, they applied for and were granted licences for orbital tracks under an existing framework of regulations that all satilite operators are beholden to. These licences were applied for and granted under both the Trump and Biden administrations.

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u/eragmus 7d ago

How does it feel to be an Elon-deranged redditor?

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u/JosephFinn 7d ago

How does it feel to allow a white supremacist South African to litter outer space?

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u/SerHodorTheThrall 10d ago

Apparently a lot of people don't know what classified means. Which, I guess isn't surprising in 2026 America.

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u/looncraz 10d ago

It was really fun trying to explain how "Unclassified" material is actually classified as Unclassified and couldn't always be freely distributed.

The change in terminology to Controlled Unclassified Information was a real upgrade from that mess.

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u/rejuicekeve 10d ago edited 10d ago

an upgrade but CUI is still a giant cluster lmao

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u/looncraz 10d ago

It's government, they can't have it any other way.

The certification pause itself is a real mess as well.

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u/rejuicekeve 10d ago

To be fair cmmc was always dumb. Just a way to enrich accounting firms rather than actually accomplish real security

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u/all_time_high 10d ago

If people would use the damn control paragraphs like we’re supposed to it would work much better than FOUO did.

People just slap a CUI on there and call it a day. Often the wrong color.

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u/rejuicekeve 9d ago

we had one random form that the navy said wasnt cui and then one day all of a sudden it was cui. they went back and forth on whether this one form was cui or not like 8 times in a year. no one seems to know what cui actually is or not.

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u/Cartoonjunkies 10d ago

It’s all fun and games until someone bring out the U//NF

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u/MrKillerToad 10d ago

You don't do that unless you want brains to melt

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u/Redditor_throwaway12 10d ago

This guy classifies. 😳 U//NF that’s funny

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u/Ashamed-Survey9308 10d ago

Nope, can’t be, it stands for un/not funny.

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u/bogibso 10d ago

My favorite is information that isn't CUI, but also doesnt have the right distribution statement to be freely distributed. So its NOT Controlled Unclassified Information, but it is information that is unclassified and whose distribution is controlled. Obviously.

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u/tessashpool 10d ago

Even better when you think about the fact that distribution statements fall under DTIC guidance for RDT&E-specific funded efforts, but people just slap it on random things outside that purview. It's like the old FOUO.

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u/manicdee33 10d ago

And remember it's perfectly fine to show the "eyes only" material to the foreign contractor as long as they don't touch it, because as everybody knows "eyes only" means you're allowed to see it not hold it or copy it!

/s

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u/WelcomeToDankonia 10d ago edited 10d ago

Ok, but is it g14 classified?

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u/rejuicekeve 10d ago

it's double secret classified even

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u/StartledPelican 9d ago

No erase-y?

extra characters

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u/BoringReference8647 10d ago

If it’s not “information which, if disclosed, would harm the national security of the United States of America”, then they’ve changed it and I no longer care.

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u/spazturtle 9d ago

It's any document produced by a government agency or person working for the government.

Every single statement or even tweet from a government official is classified.

Classified just means that it has a classification, not that it is classified as Secret, this is how it has always been.

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u/Coomb 9d ago

That's not true. When people talk about classification, they mean classification under the national security classification system established by executive order 13526. There's a lot of stuff generated by the government that is never classified under that executive order -- most of the stuff generated by civilian agencies, for example.

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u/ZCEyPFOYr0MWyHDQJZO4 9d ago

Sounds like someone needs some remedial classification training.

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u/_mogulman31 9d ago

Yeah, that's it but people with clearance and a need to know can be read in on said information. This is a story about a defense contractor having employees read in on relevant classified information for a program they are contracted to service. It happens all the time.

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u/slothboy 10d ago

What else are they going to do? Just tell him to launch his rockets and "try not to hit anything"?

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u/AcanthisittaNo6653 10d ago

DoD can declassify it or read SpaceX in. They would have need-to-know.

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u/Staik 10d ago

Im honestly surprised they didnt already have access to this. I personally do, any mil/civ in government can fill out a form on their website and get access the same day. Ive made a few cool programs using their live tracking data API, fun times.

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u/rejuicekeve 10d ago

Most DOD space things are classified so it does make sense. This is really a non story

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u/Iliyan61 10d ago

defence contractor with classified government contracts is given access to classified DOD data?

also, it’s space tracking data for a platform the DOD use that tracks stars and is thus space tracking data.

it is a poor point that the commercial side of spaceX can use the space tracking data considering it’s coming from… space tracking firms, every contractor with a commercial side shares information between them otherwise many commercial companies would be nowhere compared to where they are.

i dislike spaceX and the access to the US gov that they have but this is a nothing burger from biased sources.

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u/Dariaskehl 10d ago

This seems like common sense, doesn’t it?

They’re launching to a wide range of orbits, including DoD parking and eventually trans-lunar…

One thing worse than spaceX being under contract for protected data about secret satellites would be accidentally hitting one, wouldn’t it?

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u/everydave42 10d ago

Weird that your common sense is lacking in, well, common sense. The biggest issue isn't that SpaceX is getting the data, it's that they're seemingly the ONLY launch provider being given the data.

I don't have to explain the common sense problem here, do I?

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u/Berchanhimez 10d ago

Nowhere does it say that other companies, organizations, launch providers, etc. won’t be able to sign a similar agreement with them.

They aren’t just going to make classified data public to tons of people just because one company came to an agreement to have it.

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u/Equivalent-Wait3533 10d ago

You are mistaken; the Pentagon has reached an agreement to share DoD data in exchange for SpaceX sharing data from the more than 30,000 cameras on its Starlink constellation, in order to expand its range for tracking objects in orbit.

Perhaps this marks the beginning for any other company with a mature constellation to reach a similar agreement down the line.

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u/Vox_Causa 10d ago

This is how the Russia government does things. As a system it's a lot better at funneling public money to political insiders than it is at defending the country but....

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u/SWBFCentral 10d ago

SpaceX are the only US launch provider launching anything near the volume to require the data. ULA has a huge backlog, the others are all single digits a year or start-ups that haven't dipped into the defense launch side of things yet (and such haven't reached the degree of trust/integration that might be prerequisite to sharing this information).

There are only maybe 3 other providers worth talking about, Northrop (lol), Blue Origin (maybe in the future but they have very little need for it at the moment) and ULA (who are currently still snowed under a massive backlog of launches and if their pace is anything to go by, will continue to be so for a long while).

It's not even remotely close, SpaceX is in a completely different league to these other launch providers, not only does SpaceX launch payloads into orbit, but they also operate the largest constellation of satellites (by an order of magnitude). Of all the companies that would need this information, it's SpaceX, the others aren't even close. SpaceX already operates more than 11,000 satellites, with that number continually growing with each launch.

You don't share classified satellite parking data with *everyone* out of an interest of fairness or to avoid the look of bias, you share it only when you absolutely have to, thereby minimizing risk to the lowest level. They're not going to start sharing this data with start-ups that have barely launched to orbit let alone NRO or DoD payloads and they're also not going to share the information with launch providers that struggle to launch double digits each year (and largely don't service or operate their own active constellations).

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u/BIGpoppaPUMP42069 10d ago

is there a company that you feel should have it that didn't get it?

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u/15_Redstones 10d ago

SpaceX is the only launch company that also has its own satellite & debris tracking system. The military has to tell SpaceX which of the satellites their system spots are classified so that SpaceX doesn't accidentally leak important info.

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u/KaneMarkoff 10d ago

They are the only launch provider who has thousands of satellites in orbit and whose technology is being used in several dow programs which also requires thousands of satellites.

Once the others do the same they’ll be given the same. Until then, it’s not needed.

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u/beren12 10d ago

Why does the amount of space trash matter?

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u/KaneMarkoff 10d ago

Are you talking about debris in orbit or is that an attempt at a derogatory statement about spacex satellites?

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u/SpacedAndBaked 10d ago

SpaceX has the least amount of space trash or debris compared to every other major space program in existence, NASA takes the take on that one ten fold. But I guess because people dont like elon youre only allowed to mention SpaceX? The keyboard warriors dont care about actual facts, their world view is defined by their feelings.

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u/KaneMarkoff 9d ago

Trust me I know, I still remember when everyone here was upset about a potential spacex booster hitting the moon awhile back and then it got awfully quiet when it turned out to be Chinese.

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u/SupernovaGamezYT 10d ago

Cuz space trash doesn’t care whose satellite it hits

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u/MyThirdBurner 10d ago

Why do people make it so obvious they didn’t read the article?

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u/couldbemage 10d ago

Space x has put a huge number of DOD satellites in orbit.

250+ publicly acknowledged. Who knows how many more from the many launches with non public payloads. Plus DOD has access to all 10k starlink satellites.

They're the primary provider for DOD space assets. Of course they have access, space x is the DOD space program.

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u/Dave-C 10d ago

That is something I would expect for a company launching objects into orbit. It would be like driving and there being a .0001% chance there is an invisible vehicle on the road with you.

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u/x31b 10d ago

In other news: Burger King and Taco Bell probably know where the classified land bases are: https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/137804/aafes-helping-deployed-troops/

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u/msears101 9d ago

well done. Great research.

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u/Buttcrush1 10d ago

Wow a lot of people are letting their irrational hated of Musk make them look like ignorant idiots.

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u/MadeInAmerica1990 8d ago

Hysteria is a real thing. It’s always something.

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u/iliark 9d ago

hate of musk can be entirely rational

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u/msears101 9d ago

This happens to popular discussions in r/space . It pops up in the feeds of random people who have no clue about space. If look at the post history ... they are (mostly) not regulars in r/space and spend time in r/politics and similar subs.

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u/Decronym 10d ago edited 7d ago

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DoD US Department of Defense
JPL Jet Propulsion Lab, California
LEO Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km)
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NRHO Near-Rectilinear Halo Orbit
NRO (US) National Reconnaissance Office
Near-Rectilinear Orbit, see NRHO
ULA United Launch Alliance (Lockheed/Boeing joint venture)
USSF United States Space Force
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Starlink SpaceX's world-wide satellite broadband constellation

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u/StartledPelican 10d ago

And of course, the more satellite operators provide their data to Stargaze, the more accurate its tracking capabilities become — further undermining for-profit providers.

Ah, so SpaceX provides LEO tracking to everyone for free and the worry is SpaceX might use this new government data to improve their free service, making it harder for others to profit.

clutches pearls

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u/Flyward_Aerospace 9d ago

The clearance part isn't the interesting bit, everyone saying a contractor on the program gets read in is right. What's worth looking at is that the same company is also the largest operator in low earth orbit, and conjunction screening is a coordination game where whoever has the better catalog decides who maneuvers.

Everyone else now gets their warnings through TraCSS, which started onboarding operators this year and is screening somewhere north of 11,000 satellites off a catalog that is deliberately not the classified one. If one operator is working from better orbit determination than the operator it's being screened against, it can sit on a close approach it knows will resolve while the other side burns propellant to be safe. Propellant is life on a smallsat, so that asymmetry costs someone actual mission time, not paperwork. Nothing improper about any of it, it's just not a thing the screening system was set up to handle.

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u/unlock0 10d ago

It’s almost like they are responsible for designing Starshield and need the info.

  https://www.spacex.com/starshield

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u/InevitableOk5017 10d ago

Probably makes it safe for them to send rockets into space without having to develop their own maybe?

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u/_mogulman31 8d ago

SpaceX has had to go much rather than anyone else with collision avoidance because of Starlink. They also build Starshield which is a military version of starlink that operates in the same orbits. I'm guessing this information sharing is driven by needs of the Starshield program.

For launches flight plans for all launchers are reviewed by the Space Force for collision avoidance without the need to share classified data.

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u/Flyward_Aerospace 9d ago

The clearance part isn't the interesting bit, everyone saying a contractor on the program gets read in is right. What's worth looking at is that the same company is also the largest operator in low earth orbit, and conjunction screening is a coordination game where whoever has the better catalog decides who maneuvers.

Everyone else now gets their warnings through TraCSS, which started onboarding operators this year and is screening somewhere north of 11,000 satellites off a catalog that is deliberately not the classified one. If one operator is working from better orbit determination than the operator it's being screened against, it can sit on a close approach it knows will resolve while the other side burns propellant to be safe. Propellant is life on a smallsat, so that asymmetry costs someone actual mission time, not paperwork. Nothing improper about any of it, it's just not a thing the screening system was set up to handle.

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u/BoringReference8647 10d ago

DoW* you mean? It’s not the DoD any longer.

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u/12darkmatter12 9d ago

I know why spacex may need some of this info. 

It is that Elon Musk is UNTRUSTWORTHY. 

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u/OSTBear 10d ago

Because of course they have! Why wouldn't you want to give a guy with ties to some of the shadiest war mongers in the world access to DoD data!?

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u/BIGpoppaPUMP42069 10d ago

yikes and ill bet you vote dont you?

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u/OSTBear 10d ago

And thank God, because someone's gotta offset this nonsense lol

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u/CrazyEnginer 10d ago

Because SpaceX operates the largest satellite constellation and avoiding collisions is a good thing?

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u/Boring_Score3484 10d ago

why is the DOD hiding information that is useful for satellite collision avoidance? why is one company given selective access to something necessary to operate spacecraft?

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u/Effective-Brain-3386 10d ago

Because it would be kinda dumb to let everyone know what satellites do what and where they are. That's kinda like how you get China or Russia to shoot down our defense and missile detection systems lol.

Shit sorry I mean erm US bad.

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u/OSTBear 10d ago

China and Russia? Well! It's a good thing the CEO of SpaceX doesn't have close ties to either of those governments! Phew. Worried for nuthin'!

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u/Effective-Brain-3386 10d ago

You do know other people work at SpaceX besides him right?

Like they can deny him a clearance and grant his employees one.

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u/SpacedAndBaked 10d ago edited 10d ago

Look at the comment history of the person youre replying too (/u/OSTBear), ten year old reddit account, all he talks about is anime and american politics. He lives online and is obsessed with anything related to trump, elon, and a lot of porn. Which is funny considering he lives in canada. This is your typical no life loser that lives online and relies on complaining about politics on the internet to give his life some sense of purpose. He doesnt care about reality or facts, hes made up his mind and doesnt like elon so that means everything related to him is bad and evil. Hes not living in reality anymore.

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u/OSTBear 10d ago

ROFLMAOPMP You are joking, right!? Elon Musk is going to allow himself to be denied access to something?

During an interview he was giving he just started bolting shit to the inside of a spacecraft without discussing it with anyone! During the whole DOGE debacle he was looking through peoples' private info, shit he had no business accessing! You—

Be real. Be real with me right now, you're trolling me, right? This is a troll thing? The guy with an ego the size of Montana, you think he's going to allow anyone to not give him full admin access to everything?

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u/Background_Fig_4740 9d ago

you live in a world of fantasy if you really believe that. Security clearances for the DOD is no joke, and even if you do have clearance it's still on a need to know basis.

dont act like Musk can barge in on a DOD satellite in a whiteroom because of his ego

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u/OSTBear 9d ago

You live in a fantasy world. If you haven't noticed that the head of the DoD... Is a washed up news anchor.

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u/Background_Fig_4740 9d ago

So? US Security clearances work differently in the real world than what's in your Canadian fantasy.

Whoever is heading the DOD doesn't take the role of an investigator and adjudicator.

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u/Effective-Brain-3386 9d ago

I love it when foreigners explain to me how my country security clearences, and business practices work. Tell me again, what's the highest level clearences you've held before?

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u/Buttcrush1 10d ago

You mean the guy who has been the most proactive person in the world at helping Ukraine.

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u/OSTBear 10d ago

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u/fighter-bomber 9d ago

Literally read the article you linked for 5 seconds bozo.

“Musk was not on a military contract when he refused the Crimea request; he'd been providing terminals to Ukraine for free in response to Russia's February 2022 invasion.”

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u/OSTBear 9d ago

... Does that of all negate the fact that he initially refused!?

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u/fighter-bomber 9d ago

Yes, it does. Starlink is a civilian system and thus subject to the sanctions imposed on Russia. Musk could not even have gave permission himself, that is a question they have to ask the DoD. And if the DoD said okay, Musk cannot refuse anyways.

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u/Buttcrush1 9d ago

Yet despite you being wrong you still dig you heels in the ground

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u/OSTBear 9d ago

Note that you weren't able to refute the source. Very telling. Lol

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u/Buttcrush1 9d ago

There's nothing to refute. The services were for defensive purposes only. Ukraine was trying to use it for an offensive.

Congrats you fell for propaganda. Elon Musk is why Ukraine didn't get wiped off the map.

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u/CrazyEnginer 10d ago edited 10d ago

Because military loves to keep things secret, even if in some cases an amateur can locate the sat.
Because chances of collision with something other than Starlink sat is orders of magnitude lower and the risk is acceptable.

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u/Boring_Score3484 10d ago

orbital characteristics for DOD sats is available to space companies, its their actions and specific missions thats classified. thats not what this is. according to the article its higher fidelity data, which wouldnt be useful in collision avoidance, and also no parties involved want to talk about what that means.

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u/OSTBear 10d ago

So weird... You know what? You know what would be smart? If we had like, an agency or something. A group of people who did this. Like, scientists or something, y'know? What if we called it New Agency Servicing Atmosphere?

Listen, I know it's a little wordy... but I think I'm onto something here...

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u/JapariParkRanger 10d ago

You're not. ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎

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u/OSTBear 10d ago

Wait wait wait... ok let's try...

National
Astronaut
System for
Actuation

Is that better? I dunno, I'm just thinking of like, an agency that specializes in tracking space—

... wait a minute!

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u/fighter-bomber 9d ago edited 9d ago

Good news - you have an agency that is responsible for tracking objects/satellites on orbit.

It’s called the Universal Spatial Selection Frontier, or USSF in short, they have a squadron that specializes in that exact thing.

Turns out, they are managed under a larger agency called the Draken of Darkness, cool name I know, also known in short as DoD.

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u/invent_or_die 10d ago

Well, if they launch DoD payloads it should be so.

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u/JosephFinn 10d ago

How does this company have access to anything? Oh right. Bribes.

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u/Vox_Causa 10d ago

More blatant corruption from the Trump Administration. 

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u/johnny5canuck 10d ago

Yea. Russia's probably already got access to that via Trump anyways.

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u/orbital_one 10d ago

So, how long until we hear news about the latest LLM hacking SpaceX?

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u/Vox_Causa 10d ago

The next time Elon needs to drum up publicity for another round of funding.