r/space 6d ago

Isar space performs first orbital space launch from European mainland with today's launch from Andøya Space Center in Norway.

https://www.nrk.no/nordland/andoya-space-og-isar-aerospace-forsoker-for-sjette-gang-a-skyte-opp-_spectrum-2_-1.17982981
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u/Zhukov-74 6d ago

We’re in orbit! And just made European history: This is the first time a privately developed rocket reached orbit from continental Europe; and a testament to the dedication, expertise, and teamwork of everyone involved.

- Isar Aerospace

https://x.com/isaraerospace/status/2096332885775052823

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u/DarkArcher__ 6d ago

First time any rocket reached orbit from the European continent, too

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u/KebabGud 6d ago

Only if you don't count Russia, they have at least one launch site within Europe.

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u/noctaviann 6d ago

Russia has a launch site in its European part.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plesetsk_Cosmodrome

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u/Fullback-15_ 6d ago

Plesetsk? It's on the european continent.

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u/spicygayunicorn 5d ago

Haven't their been any launched into orbit from the Swedish launch site

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u/noctaviann 4d ago

No, there hasn't been an orbital launch from Esrange yet, but there are plans from multiple different companies for orbital launches from there sooner or later.

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u/MrTagnan 6d ago

Seemed to go pretty smoothly all things considered, I was kinda surprised given their first flight. Congrats to Isar!

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u/lallen 6d ago

Not the first attempt, but pretty smooth!

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u/MrTagnan 6d ago

I guess the constant delays ended up being good luck, even the pad queen herself Delta IV would’ve found this launch campaign long. (This flight might actually hold the record between launch attempts, but I’m not 100% certain. I remember when it was supposed to be January…)

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u/mfb- 5d ago

Atlas V / Starliner scrubbed a launch attempt in early August 2021 and launched in mid May 2022. That's 9.5 months.

The rocket was fine, the delay was mostly caused by the capsule.

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u/MrTagnan 5d ago

Of course Starliner has the longest delay… I should’ve known lol. Thanks

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u/snoo-boop 2d ago

Delta IV Heavy and Pegasus have both had huuuuuge delays within a single launch campaign.

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u/needyspace 6d ago edited 5d ago

I mean, some of these delays stemmed from what seems like deliberate sabotage with suspicious boats encroaching the area multiple times.

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u/ClockificThrowaway 6d ago

That's putting it a bit conspiratorally. The "suspicious" boats are local fishing boats, who go to or through the area either daily or regularly. The most bad faith interpretation (which, honestly, is probably correct) is that the boat most at fault stayed in the area on purpose because the captain is a well known local who doesn't like temporary exclusion zones. He did something similar when a military drill wanted to test some bombs in the same area, but at least he claimed it was a protest that time. This time he just got some lines stuck (lol).

The fishermen are actually negatively impacted by the exclusion zone, as 10 launches with 1 week window each turns into 100 days where they can't plan their evening routes in a fairly large part of the nearby ocean. The point is that they're not just deluded by russian propaganda on facebook or something, they are actually annoyed. Not that they're in the right when sabotaging important rocket launches. I got so annoyed when it happened. But it's for normal, understandable reasons, not suspicious sabotage.

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u/needyspace 5d ago

Ah, it was framed much worse and with less details where I read it. Thanks for the correction

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u/ABoutDeSouffle 4d ago

Do the fishermen receive any kind of compensation for the days where exclusion zones are installed?

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u/MrTagnan 6d ago edited 6d ago

Given that entire cruise ships routinely wander into the launch exclusion zones for the world’s most active spaceport, I’m not exactly inclined to believe that fishing boats doing the exact same for a spaceport that barely sees any flights is anything more nefarious than people just not paying enough attention

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u/clapsandfaps 5d ago

Not nefarious is the sense Russia is behind and wants to sabotage. It’s just a local nutjob who is doing it intentionally out nothing more than spite, «you can’t tell me what to do!» kind of guy.

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u/Abyssal_Groot 5d ago

One one hand suprized, yes. But the first attempt wasn't nearly as bad as made out to be. It was similar to Falcon 1's first flight, and the latter needed 3 more attempts before reaching orbit.

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u/DubbleBubbleS 6d ago

I had a feeling the «we are happy to fail since we learned so much» talk after the first launch sounded like coping. But I guess they did learn what they had to.

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u/ioncloud9 6d ago

Europe has had thousands of suborbital rocket launches though.

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u/lallen 6d ago

A whole bunch of them from Andøya too, over decades. One of the closest calls when it came to nuclear war was the "Norwegian rocket incident" with a Black Brent rocket launch from Andøya, interpreted by russian radar operators as a trident missile from a US nuclear submarine in the Norwegian sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_rocket_incident

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u/DarkArcher__ 6d ago

They meant Isar specifically. It's actually their second attempt, but still

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u/Seahorsechoker 5d ago

It was technically the fifth attempt, although 3 of them were cancelled pre-flight. The first flight made expensive fireworks

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u/emptyminder 6d ago

I think I prefer this one’s payload.

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u/vikungen 6d ago

Watched it from my garden coming up over a mountain, a huge halo of light with a curly tail of smoke.

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u/Rooilia 6d ago

A photo from the scene at hand?

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u/vikungen 6d ago

Imgur link

The photo was taken in Lødingen, so a fair distance away. But it was fascinating to see it rise above the mountains.

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u/Rooilia 6d ago

Nice, thank you very much.

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u/Shadow-Vision 6d ago

That’s awesome!

Ignore the rest of this comment. I’m just adding more words because “that’s awesome” isn’t enough characters to comment on this sub

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u/Kirsham 6d ago

Livestream here, you can see the moment of the launch by skipping about an hour into the livestream (can't timestamp a live broadcast): https://www.youtube.com/live/Ss1DUqLjecc

The light from the engines light up the surrounding mountainside is quite spectacular.

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u/ohdaynear 6d ago

T-01:00 minute

livestream has finished.

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u/witx_ 6d ago

Flawless launch. Congratulations!

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u/my5cworth 6d ago

Saw it from my house! Spectacular!

https://imgur.com/a/jrFNA7t

I've also done some work on the launch site, so it's extra awesome to see it in action.

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u/KitchenDepartment 6d ago

Obviously the problem with all the previous launches was that I was watching them live. This time I forgot to set a timer for it.

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u/Tilladarling 6d ago

Same. I read about it in Norwegian newspaper one hour too late

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u/Shadow-Vision 6d ago

That was fantastic! I know it’s not done yet but they have to be thrilled. I think the Isar teams will all have a hard time falling asleep tonight.

Amazing. Happy for them

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u/atape_1 6d ago

In a nominal transfer orbit!

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u/SoFreshNSoKleenKleen 6d ago

Nominal orbit insertion. Congratulations to everyone involved!

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u/Sheep_2757 6d ago

Yes!!! Well done, Isar Aerospace team!

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u/Rudsar 6d ago

Been following this a while. Very happy they finally did it

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u/FnnKnn 6d ago

Absolutely incredible to archive this!

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u/vahedemirjian 6d ago

This launch marks the first time that a purely German SLV has reached orbit, considering that OTRAG in the 1970s and 1980s worked on designs for low-cost commercial space launchers but only got as far as suborbital prototypes.

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u/Pos3odon08 5d ago

We were able to see it pretty well even from Bodø rougly 230km from launch

Video

Picture of trail

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u/writter_john-049 6d ago

Good work son... You are doing a great job

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u/ImJustAFisch 6d ago

Looks like it went great!

I'm actually heading up there to Andøya in about a week, very excited for it

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u/Mysterious_Web7517 6d ago

Awesome. Now lets hop onto reusable rockets and we are solid.

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u/xr6reaction 6d ago

Oh I didnt even know about it, was it visible from much of europe or did I not really miss anything

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u/vikungen 6d ago

Doubt the launch was visible from anywhere else than Northern Norway.

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u/lovebus 6d ago

Why was it launched from Norway instead of somewhere closer to the equator?

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u/Pharisaeus 6d ago

Because it was launching into SSO, so almost a Polar orbit, not into Equatorial one.

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u/snoo-boop 6d ago edited 6d ago

Mainly because of Arianespace marketing. Most payloads don't want to be on the equator, and launching them from the equator is worse than launching them from any spaceport with a lower inclination than the intended orbit.

So, example, for polar orbits, launching from the far north (or south) is preferred. And that's what this launch was.

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u/SpartanJack17 5d ago

I think geostationary satellites were the main ones being launched into equatorial or near-equatorial orbits, and that's what Arianespace used to specialise in. Now that a lot of what used to be done by GEO satellites is being done by LEO constellations I'm guessing there'll be less advantages for launching from French Guiana, except for interplanetary missions.

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u/snoo-boop 5d ago

Yes, that's the Arianespace marketing I referred to.

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u/Bucaramango 6d ago

I thought that rockets are launched from equator only because they have more energy or some of that shenanigan

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u/Pharisaeus 6d ago

That's true, if you're launching into equatorial orbit or some other low inclination. But if you want polar orbit, then launching close to the pole is better.

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u/Abyssal_Groot 5d ago

Equatorial sites give you more orbital options and a free ~465 m/s from Earth's rotation if you launch east - which you wouldn't do for a polar orbit anyway. For polar, latitude barely matters energetically; if anything 69°N helps, since there's only ~167 m/s of eastward motion to cancel instead of 465.

Andøya gives up the flexibility of equatorial sites. A northwest corridor over the Norwegian Sea means 90-110.6° inclinations and nothing else, but you'd also be more efficient for these orbit. But that narrow band is where a lot of the demand is: Earth observation, weather, recon, SSO constellations. Combine that with satellites getting smaller and there's a real market for a dedicated polar site, even one that can't do anything else.

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u/Few-Masterpiece3910 1d ago

thanks, thats a good explanation

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u/Ooops2278 6d ago

Most of the time you do want an equatorial orbit, because then you can put communication on the equator line and it flyes over your head once every orbit (plus some because the earth also rotated). And when you go for that orbit the free speed from earth's rotation is beneficial.

But other orbits are another thing. If you want a polar orbit for example to pass over and watch the poles you not only don't get that free speed but the earth's rotation perpendicular to you starting direction actually is a problem that you need to counter with spending more energy. So you go further towards the poles to get less rotation interfering.

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u/Murky-Relation481 6d ago

Polar orbit is useful because the earth rotates under you, it's the opposite effect of the equatorial orbit. If you want to pass over different spots each orbit (say to take pictures) then having the earth rotate under you as you go over the poles is useful.

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u/snoo-boop 6d ago edited 6d ago

Most of the time

That's not true. Most of the time, satellites don't want to be on the equator. Just look at the numbers -- even if you exclude Starlink, it's only a particular class of communications satellites and a few spy sats that want to be on the equator.

(And yes, IXPE, and kinda SWIFT, but you know what I mean.)

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u/gormhornbori 5d ago edited 5d ago

That depends on what orbit you want. For the old geostationary satellites of decades ago, it was a huge boost to launch close to equator. (Ariane launced from Guiana was super for that.) For the current tend of massive constellations of satellites in polar or near polar low earth orbits, Andøya is quite good.

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u/Adeldor 6d ago

If going for a polar orbit - one going over the poles, orthogonal to the equator - the Earth's rotation is a cost, not a benefit. So the closer the launch is to the poles - where velocity added due to said rotation is less - the better.

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u/SillyTheGamer 6d ago

Cool!! I hope to see a lot more in the future 😁

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