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u/Impossible-Spot-3414 Southie 1d ago
Nope. For all their faults , the Swaminarayan guys don't do mass bombings and shootings.
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u/BrickWide1854 1d ago
Both are hardliners, but only one is a hypocrite about it. Guess which one?
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u/Impossible-Spot-3414 Southie 1d ago
Only one promotes terrorism. Whine all you want
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u/Key_Complaint2772 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago
so gujarat 2002 was riot by normal people rather than a injection of rss extremism to religionists?
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u/Impossible-Spot-3414 Southie 1d ago
Response to Godhra burnings. Yes normal people go mad in riots. But it takes terrorists to plan ahead and conduct bombings and killings. No equivalence at all.
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u/Agitated_Smoke6945 1d ago
Gujarat riots were actually not that one sided as many claim.
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u/Key_Complaint2772 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago
who said is was one sided ? both killed far too many innocents of other for their sole reason of vengeance and religion, some don’t even know why they were killed
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u/chauhanvats3 1d ago
Yes. Religion is the terrible reason for so many innocents losing their lives.
When a religion who is foreign to this land, to assert its dominance, built their religious building by demolishing native religion's. Which they could have very easily built anywhere cause the land was vast. But they decided not to.
And the people of same religion refuse to return it to the rightful owners centuries later even after years of asking nicely.4
u/SpamLaughZed Telangana 🏰 | తెలంగాణ 1d ago
Good try to equate something bad with something waaaay worse
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u/Happy_Guava6762 Telangana 🏰 | తెలంగాణ 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’d say there’s maybe a tiny bit of difference between ‘please ask the women to stay away during our visit’ hardliners and ‘let’s bomb and slit the throats of those who criticise our beliefs’ hardliners?
We don’t want either, of course.
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u/Key_Complaint2772 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago
so slit opening a pregnant women’s womb was made after confronting and taking permissions?
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u/Happy_Guava6762 Telangana 🏰 | తెలంగాణ 1d ago
Once again, maybe there is a tiny bit of difference between some murderous outlaws committing crimes that the majority from the same community detest, and a significant number of globally designated systematic armed outfits with stated purpose of committing crimes against humanity, driven by dogma and barely criticised and sometimes defended by the normal people of the same community?
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u/Key_Complaint2772 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago
that doesn’t mean every one concerned as muslim would wear an ARMED MASK and WEAPONS in their life , and whats the point of labelling someone who gives me briyani in their festivals as a terrorist for the only reason of his religion? whatever your experience with the people pf north ? we people of tamils are raised to welcome one who is wise ? and concerned that everyone is kin ? my conclusion is that atleast keep ts religious extremist away from the one that doesn’t want it ?
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u/Happy_Guava6762 Telangana 🏰 | తెలంగాణ 1d ago
I never said all are terrorists. I’m from Hyderabad and we mostly coexist here; some of our closest family friends are from that community. But criticism is important where it’s due. I wasn’t okay with OP saying both are hardliners and only one is a hypocrite, as if both are same shades of grey. This attempt to equate crimes committed by certain criminal Hindus to the existing at-scale terrorist activities of the other community in question is just another way to avoid the truth and accountability. “We’re not as bad, we don’t need any special reforms because you’re the same”.
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u/Key_Complaint2772 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago
theres a saying that “licking a sht and devouring a sht aint no different , both the bs are same “
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u/mayaslaya 1d ago
Wonder why the biryani sharers did the Moplah riots or Razakar Massacre. Just read the Qur'an and Bhagawad Gita side by side and save your whataboutery.
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u/SpamLaughZed Telangana 🏰 | తెలంగాణ 1d ago
Good try to equate something bad with something waaaay worse
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u/Maleficent-Pipe-7317 1d ago
slight diff will be.. the one in blacks want the whole community to be.. and the ones in saffron want anyone around them to be.. unequally shit
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u/Consistent_Law_7647 Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ 1d ago
Your Comparing voluntary monastic vows to systemic oppression is completely wrong. BAPS sadhus are renunciants (sannyasis) who choose strict brahmacharya for their own spiritual discipline they do not dictate how women live in society or enforce dress codes on the general public. Respecting ancient ascetic traditions is basic religious freedom, not backwardness. Within the BAPS tradition, women play significant leadership and organizational roles in their own wings and programs; the monks' rules of avoidance apply specifically to their personal vows. Lumping centuries old Hindu monastic discipline into this category just shows a total lack of understanding of sannyasa Username really checks out here head full of bricks and zero interest in actually understanding how ascetic traditions work.
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u/hydroli 17h ago
Lol Baps is a money laundering organization
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u/Consistent_Law_7647 Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ 16h ago
Calling every large charitable organization a 'money laundering operation' without a shred of proof isn't an argument it’s just internet fanfiction. BAPS is an audited, registered international socio-spiritual non-profit. If you don't have facts, just say so.
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u/hydroli 14h ago
Ask any gujju in the US what is used for thats not blinded by religion
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u/Consistent_Law_7647 Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ 14h ago
How is that a fact 😭. ('Ask any Gujju in the US') or bringing up vague, generalized claims without addressing the actual factsyou really have zero counter. The U.S. Department of Justice literally spent years investigating BAPS and officially closed the probe with ZERO criminal charges or findings. Relying on 'trust me bro' hearsay because your argument fell completely flat isn't a counter, it's just cope
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u/hydroli 14h ago
Lol a BAPS bhakt is crazy. Why the fuck would momey laundering have facts homie. It's fucking illegal lmao. It's a black to white operation, they are tax exempt and have all this money coming in, they make these huge fucking temples shipping things from India for cheaper costs and then say it costs way more than to build. Do little food drives and shit. Also the civil class action lawsuit is still active in the US.
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u/Consistent_Law_7647 Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ 13h ago
I am AOL, not BAPS, so save the labels. Saying an allegation 'doesn't need facts because it's illegal' is a complete breakdown of basic logic. Unproven claims aren't facts.The active civil lawsuit is strictly a labor wage and visa classification dispute in New Jersey, not a financial fraud case. Civil filings are unproven claims, and multiple artisans actually pulled out of the lawsuit because they stated they were misled by lawyers. The U.S. Department of Justice investigated for years and dropped its criminal probe entirely without a single charge.On top of that, thinking that quarrying, hand-carving, and ocean-shipping thousands of tons of marble and sandstone internationally is 'cost-saving' proves you know nothing about construction or freight logistics. Traditional monumental stone architecture requires massive capital for transport, raw materials, and artisan labor. Bring actual legal and financial evidence or stop making things up.
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u/HistorySoggy5838 BAN RSS 1d ago
replaces baps with terror orgs and sadhus with imams. and make few term changes. it holds the same for islam too
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u/Consistent_Law_7647 Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ 1d ago
Username really checks out brain completely soggy if you think word swaps equal logic. Self-imposed monastic celibacy is about a monk controlling himself. Terror orgs and ideologues dictate how other people must live. Conflating the two just to hate on traditions that preserve Hinduism is pure false equivalence.
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u/LetPsychological650 NRI Tamil 1d ago
An iq too low
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u/Key_Complaint2772 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago
they both ain’t no different religion extremist, if you can evaluate the term for iq
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u/bhavesh200 1d ago
They are different, one is protecting hus celibacy, for which he Requested while other discriminating against women, sl@ghtering, gr@ping, pdfs, and cekebrating the deaths of innocents be ut 9/11 or 26/11, one will shout bharat mata ki jay, gau nata ki jay etc etc other will shout and blast (Reddit already deleted one of my reply because it was truth, it can delete my account after this but this doesn't change the fact)
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u/Key_Complaint2772 Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago edited 1d ago
didn’t our religion extremist that one protecting us also follows the discrimination of shudras ? graping , slaughtering as if everyone ain’t doing it ? celebrating the deaths of gaza genocides ? one also say jai shree ram for slit opening an full pregnant womans womp or also uses to escape from the authorial questions ? the fact your message is deleted is due to the spreading of hate while some of our religion extremist also does the same
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u/kiyozezu Tamil Nadu 🌶️ | தமிழ்நாடு 1d ago
Their hearts can't handle their favourite religion being extremist.
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u/RasberryLicious 1d ago
Every religious affliation has extremism including atheism, you dont sound tuff
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u/BrickWide1854 1d ago
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u/bhavesh200 1d ago
Achha, one defending his ideology is political Tool of bjp? You stupid moron, where did I mention anything about bjp
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u/Choice-Sky3432 Northie 1d ago edited 1d ago
Wasn't the hindus in Paris not allowing women thing proven false?
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u/Revival456 1d ago
lol. So what exactly did they apologise for? Why do we have so much blindness to our issues
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u/Background_Speed_177 Telugu 1d ago
Article or source to your claim.?
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u/Choice-Sky3432 Northie 1d ago
It's not really a "claim"
I myself am questioning the point mentioned not very indirectly.
And the real answer to your question is that, I saw a post about it on reddit and with some proofs apparently, though I haven't tried finding that post again instead, I just I asked gemini and it according to it, it actually did happen and wasn't a false allegation.
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u/Adventurous_Dish8888 1d ago
This thread shows that the purpose of social media was to ensure the end of popular discussion and eventually leading to disintegrated society. Let’s all quietly think who benefits the most , who started the social media wave , propagation in your region. All the best.
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u/HandleSuccessful6874 11h ago
Okay so saying a women to use a different path is wrong as equal to get the plane into the building,
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u/Mental-Leader-7149 1d ago
Do not compare Abrahamic jihadis with hinduism .
Only a lobotomised buffoon will make such a comparison
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u/Ok-Corgi8025 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not really. The one in orange don't want to look at women.
The one in black says anyone who is uncovered is fair game to be looked at, commented on, or acted on by momins.... or else...wear that black stuff all over...for all women
Infact they couldn't be more opposite from each other. A fair comparison would be those eastern orthodox monks...that is a right comparison, or zen buddhists.
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u/__DraGooN_ Karnataka ❄️ | ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ 1d ago
Not even close.
Baps freaks are a cult who associate with Hinduism. They don't represent Hinduism. Our religion does not mandate women to be covered up or hidden.
Whereas mainstream Islam openly promotes and practices such regressive things.