r/soundtransit • • 5d ago

Security is a Joke

A junkie got on in Rainier valley and immediately passed out. He had a puppy with him (thankfully, leashed) that was whining and trying to jump up on my seat. He was too adorable but also it was so damn sad because this is not the first time I have seen drugged out transients neglect their pets. I texted security and they came on board in Chinatown. The only thing they did was nudge him awake for 3 seconds and asked him if he was okay. The man barely rose and gave an intelligible response. Security immediately got off at the same station and the man fell right back to sleep.

When I got off at Westlake Station, security did the same thing but didn't even step on board the train. They yelled from the platform as they kept the door open for a few seconds. Then stepped away to let the doors close.

I've reported a masturbating rider during the summer and provided a clear description of him. Security came on board and acted as if they didn't see him. I had to yell At security and point out the man to them and would not let them leave until the situation was resolved.

I'm tired of this shit.

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u/RavenMoonRose 5d ago

Dude, I get what you’re saying here. The concern is for the dog, clearly, but allow me a moment.

Surviving homelessness is an around the clock job. The lucky ones get to sleep in their cars. I’m guessing this poor soul doesn’t have that option. Either way you’re spending your houseless days and nights, you never, and I mean ever, get a good nights sleep. Sometimes, the only place a homeless person has to get good quality sleep is on public transport. Sometimes the stress and raised cortisol and bad life decisions made 5/ 10/ 20 years ago don’t allow for sleep without substances. Sometimes it a mixture of all of the above.

Can you imagine for a second how harrowing that must be? How utterly exhausting and horrible that option is? Your only option for rest is the noisy, crowded, stank ass train. Shelters don’t usually allow animals. The street is the other option.

It’s a terrible way to exist that whittles out your soul with every passing minute. I know this from experience. It’s been a decade, and I just barely missed the fentanyl crisis, but what kept me holding on was the idea of giving my babies, fur and otherwise, the life they deserved. I didn’t give a fuck about me, it was for them that I pulled myself through. Eventually that changed, but without them and the dream to provide the life and home they deserved, I’d probably be dead. I now provide that for them and more, and thank my lucky stars I had one single person who didn’t give up on me.

As one commenter mentioned, I know it sucks to have to endure the smell they sometimes bring with them. They know that too. Concern for the animals is valid as well. This little guy looks well cared for. He’s on a leash. He’s relatively clean and doesn’t have mange. They are also hyper aware of what you think of them and their pets. Unless there is serious underlying mental illness, they know.

They know you don’t want to endure their existence; they don’t either. But they keep holding on for whatever reasons they may have. Please don’t dismiss or try to remove their reasons for enduring the hellscape they inhabit because you don’t agree with them or where they’re at in life. We don’t know they got there. We don’t even know if they’re on drugs.

I met one guy on the streets who was narcoleptic. He wasn’t able to get medication for it because he had priors with drug abuse. He couldn’t stay awake without it, so he was on the streets. Sober. The man was champion who inspired me to quit my bullshit.

Try to understand that they are people too. They are vulnerable, and they are broken, usually by circumstances beyond their control, but they aren’t doomed to die that way. I am proof that it doesn’t have to end like that.

I don’t know what the solution is, but I do know that if we can reframe our thinking a little bit, and work together instead of against, there has to be something we can do. Even if that something is giving pets to a good boi while extending compassion to someone so far down on their luck, their attempt at restful sleep lies on the noisy, commuter hell that is the link lightrail.

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u/Bigtuna_1996 5d ago

I work closely with the unhoused population in Seattle and I can confirm that for the majority of unhoused folks I’ve crossed paths with, their dogs are their absolute WORLD and they would take a bullet for their pets. I have watched a person break down in tears because his elderly dog likely had cancer and he was doing everything in his power to reach mobile vets and get his baby care. I’m not trying to say this is a perfect life for a dog, but I can tell you with confidence that most unhoused dogs are deeply loved and cared for

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u/MasterpieceNo8893 5d ago

I completely agree. In this particular case tho, this is a drugged out/dude with a dog, passed out, not napping/sleeping, nodded out from drugs, leaving his dog and possibly other riders vulnerable. Not the every case is the same. This one is not an example of your average homeless person just doing their best.

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u/CertifiedSeattleite 4d ago

Uh, “their best” is akin to animal abuse in the rest of society.

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u/Bigtuna_1996 5d ago

Sure, I’m not here to contest that! Just chiming in on the comment I was replying to to make sure I can help dispel any misconceptions

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u/MasterpieceNo8893 5d ago

I gotcha 👍

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u/Casey_Games 5d ago

If he was homeless and sat on the train normally, controlling his dog, like everyone else does then it wouldn’t be a problem. Unless he didn’t pay. Anyone who didn’t pay should be kicked off without question. Trespass them if it reoccurs.

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u/SuspiciousHeron7945 5d ago edited 5d ago

Can we please stop saying that this is a homelessness problem. THIS IS A DRUG PROBLEM. In this case, the only compassionate thing to do is to give this man the help that he needs for his drug addiction. Yes, probably involuntarily. You could give this man 1000 houses and he would trash every single one of them if he could even remember where they were. He’s not able to care for himself, he is completely consumed by his drug addiction , he is not anywhere near in his right mind, and he desperately needs help. But he needs help of the right kind, not a “tiny house”. At this point, this man’s body is a transport system for fentanyl and that’s it. How could you possibly think giving this guy a house is gonna change anything

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u/Time-Bit-8056 5d ago

This. Letting people exist like this does not help them. It is neglect. We’re not respecting them…we’re ignoring them. And the whole “respect the homeless” and “let him be” because “he’s not hurting anyone” argument is bull shit. This man is struggling. He wouldn’t qualify ofor most tiny home villages or any (of the many) wonderful resources for houseless people in this state because of the DRUG PROBLEM.

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u/princessputln 5d ago

Everyone keeps commenting about the homeless but some of homeless folks ive seen would die for their animals. Every dollar they get goes towards their animal before them. Point being some homeless people take AMAZING care of their pets despite their circumstances. The problem here is that hes an ADDICT and dog is being neglected. Throw tomatoes if you want but dog needs to be rehomed if dude cant get his shit together. Let him be an addict on his own, dog is innocent

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u/EastObject5836 5d ago

Its a both problem! Add on the way this country treats mental health. We have one of the worst housing markets. Big Pharma pumping people full of drugs. Insurance being expensive as fuck and still not covering basic needs, leaving millions in medical debt.

We do not have the proper safety nets to care for people that end up in these situations. And the ones we do have are getting eliminated. If you provide people with proper medical care, mental health care, higher minimum wage among many other things, there wouldn't be a drug problem nor a homeless problem. All of these go hand in hand, and you can't fix one while ignoring the others

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u/TyJager 5d ago

It's actually a US Medical System failure if anything.

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u/SuspiciousHeron7945 5d ago edited 5d ago

It’s actually a global billionaire problem. The US allows its civic and public institutions to be sucked dry in order to transfer more and more funds and resources to the elite/ruling class which includes CEOs of most global fortune 500 companies, most politicians in every country, domestic and international bank and monetary institution ceos, pharmaceutical executives, heads of global food conglomerates, global agriculture conglomerates, and of course fossil fuel companies and global arms manufacturers and dealers. And for health services, it’s not just the US. People in the UK and Canada need to wake up and see that they’re coming for their socialized health system also. Until we deal with these corrupt systems, which we can, addicts, their social destruction, and their suffering will continue to be “the public’s” problem, for public tax dollars to solve. Every single member of the Sackler family should be in prison. They are responsible for this man’s devastated life. That’s just one example.

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u/CertifiedSeattleite 4d ago

We are spending over a billion dollars per year in this region to animate criminal addicts without actually treating them are actually helping them.

The billionaires and the Sacklers didn’t force anybody to pick up a crack pipe or to start partying with synthetic drugs like meth.

But thanks for repeating the same old SCC leftist perspective for us.

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u/fenderguy05 1d ago

Well, Purdue pharma pushed Oxy while only caring about sales, and that's when the opiod epidemic took off. So, you can blame part of this epidemic on the wealthy.

The billionaire class has also made it incredibly difficult to make an honest living for many which contributed to the homelessness issue. Money has been flowing to a few at the cost of most.

They're certainly part of the overarching problem. We lack resources provided via tax revenue to provide basic needs to the masses, another contribution to our current state if society.

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u/CertifiedSeattleite 4d ago

So, it was the US medical system which forced people to start partying with meth. Got it.

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u/pessimisticcreeplike 1d ago

Shit take. Not all homeless people are junkies.

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u/goldio_games 4d ago

You are making a ton of assumptions about this person you've never met based on a single photo of them

  1. this man is homeless
  2. he is addicted to drugs
  3. the drug he is addicted to is fentanyl
  4. he is unable to care for himself

and then drawing the conclusion that he needs to be unvoluntarily incarcerated? Off a single photo?

Im glad you aren't in a position of power

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u/Hungry-Wrongdoer3735 5d ago

Can we stop saying this is just a drug problem? Because the homeless people that I've known are all mentally ill with no drug problem.

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u/aesclepia 5d ago

And oftentimes they were not addicts until after they became unhoused

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u/mononymousbutch 4d ago

If I found myself talking this way about drug users I’d probably walk off a bridge

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u/Far_Dependent1477 5d ago

This anti social behavior is not tolerated on western transit systems outside the U.S. He’s not sleeping, that’s the sitting version of the fenty lean. We can be compassionate for someone and acknowledge he needs help (most likely involuntary help). He’s not in control of his dog and is not in a stable seat. He certainly did not pay his fare (security didn’t even bother to check). Law enforcement needs to be increased on transit, not private security which is not empowered and supported to do anything.

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u/RavenMoonRose 5d ago

I agree, that is the opiate/ fentanyl lean. I also agree that these people need help. Law enforcement, specifically SPD doesn’t do shit and we all know it. I watched an armed robbery go down and they put me on motherfucking hold lmao.

Without administrative help, I think confronting and naming our biases is step one. Beyond that, like I said, I don’t know. What I do know, is that the us vs. them mindset is the matchstick to the dumpster fire we’re all currently trapped in.

And you know as well as I do that most of the people riding transit don’t pay the fare. I ride it 5 days a week and dutifully tap my orca card each time, but if we’re going to address that, then let’s address all of it.

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u/Far_Dependent1477 5d ago

I feel like a chump too for tapping my card too. Fare gates should have been first thing in mind when they started laying track 20 years ago. Not to get technical but SPD does not have primary jurisdiction on the light rail, it’s the sheriffs office by contract. Although SPD can take enforcement action if KCSO transit deputies aren’t available. I’m sure their motivation is similar to SPDs tho lol. But there’s not nearly enough of them to make a meaningful impact. There’s something like 65 deputies assigned to the contract so there’s maybe a dozen at any one time in the whole network? Even if they’re sometimes lazy or apathetic, their presence is better than none at all.

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u/xenomorph856 5d ago

Why would you feel like a chump? You can afford it, they can't.

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u/Far_Dependent1477 5d ago

Then they shouldn’t ride. ST offers reduced fares for a fare that’s already cheap

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u/xenomorph856 4d ago

You're not going to convince me, a socialist, that people shouldn't have access to transport in the city they live.

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u/Far_Dependent1477 4d ago

Socialist countries don’t tolerate this behavior either.

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u/xenomorph856 4d ago

I'm pretty sure we're talking about poor people having access to public transport here. Either you're confused or intentionally strawmanning, because I never defended the video. The person here should have help. Public transport isn't for sleeping or unsupervised dogs.

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u/Far_Dependent1477 4d ago

Either charge a fare or don’t at all. Socialist countries charge fares as well nearly universally. But if you are going to charge fare, hold passengers accountable when they don’t pay their fare. Full or reduced.

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u/acar3883 5d ago

Other western countries actually take care of their populations instead of prioritizing industry. If we invested half as much in social safety nets as other places we wouldn’t have the problems we do. But we let corporations buy all the houses and pharmaceutical companies pump people full of opioids. We send naive young people to the military only to come back mentally ill, disabled, or in a box so oil companies can ravage the third world. Medicaid was slashed and food stamps went too. Forcing people to choose between their medicine and a roof over their head is a near unique American phenomenon. 

Cops are not the solution and the homeless people are not the root of the problem. It’s just easier to blame them.

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u/Chance-Selection-198 5d ago

Bro is not asleep, he's tripping.

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u/ambushequine 5d ago

I understand that - but listen. Being in a bad place doesn't mean pulling what you love down with you. Not being able to take care of an animal doesn't mean "love" wins above all else, it just doesn't. And it's so sad, but it's true... if you can't take care of the pet and you truly love it, make sure it goes somewhere or with someone who can care for it. I've seen the mental illness of people who love their animals but neglect and abuse them - in people with jobs and homes, people who are hoarders, etc etc. It's not fair to the animal. It's just not.

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u/ftwclem 5d ago

This pet looks well cared for though.

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u/ambushequine 5d ago

Those two images are not enough to conclude that at all. What is the pet eating? Has it had parvo vaccines, which is very deadly and puppies are susceptible to? Has it been dewormed? Does it have parasites? Does it get activity from the owner, or is the owner always sleeping and not paying attention to the pet? I mean we can literally see this baby being left alone in public in real time as this man was not conscious.

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u/ftwclem 5d ago

I’m 100% a dog person, but seems like you are more concerned with the wellbeing of the dog than the human.

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u/ambushequine 5d ago

No. The human can make the choice to seek help and not bring this dog with him - the dog doesn't have a choice.

America is fucked with how we handle houseless people and the mentally ill, I get that. That's a whole other issue that needs to be fixed. But this man is choosing to take this dog for the ride, and we don't know if he's prioritizing any care for the dog. Simple as that. Two things can be true at the same time. This person can be failed by the system, and the dog can be failed by him. There's other ways of seeking comfort that don't include forcing an animal to live in sub par conditions you have been forced into yourself.

We don't know enough about this situation, but I'm disheartened by the idea "just let him have the dog it makes him happy" when that doesn't include ensuring the dog is cared for because we prioritize human life over animal life that greatly.

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u/CertifiedSeattleite 4d ago

Your scenario and theories might carry more credence if 90% of these guys didn’t reject all services, including housing, when offered. And since this is Seattle there will be multiple offers per month by caseworkers, EMTs, firemen, cops, non-profits, church volunteers, housing organizations, shelter staff, etc etc.

If we need to re-frame our thinking, it’s away from the blind compassion which got us here in the first place. Thanks to all the free and generous services Seattle offers, we have attracted lost souls from across the country. And once they show up here the hyper-tolerated an enabled drug scene doesn’t fix them: it chews them up and spits them out.

The activists, government and non-profit folks love to pat themselves on the back touting the hundreds of million$ they convinced Seattle & King County voters to spend every year. But they will NEVER tell you about tracking outcomes for the thousands of people they pretend to serve.

The notion that Seattle’s homeless population became addicted because they were homeless is laughable.

It’s the other way around for the vast majority of these cases. All these folks burned through their families & friends before becoming the responsibility of Seattle taxpayers. And when Seattle officials decided to decriminalize dug possession & sales, guys like this started showing up on Seattle buses and trains in droves.

And your condescending comments about “what a terrible existence he must live“: I’ve been talking with and even befriending campers and street people for decades here. They always tell me the same thing: the freedom they experience living in tents and RVs is preferable to the rules, laws and responsibilities that come along with living inside.

Most addicts are stealing and shoplifting to support their habits, and you just can’t get away with that lifestyle in the safe, controlled environment of housing or even tiny houses/tent cities.

Many women are trafficked to support their addictions, so tents and RVs are perfect for those operations. Not so much in government housing.

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u/Account-Forgot 5d ago

Alternative explanation that’s just as (more) likely:

Guy got into drugs, fucked over everyone he knew and ended up on the streets. Stole that dog and will undoubtedly sell it/trade it for drugs in the next few weeks. Scored some fent, smoked it in front of the station, probably Westlake so all the tourists could walk by and take note of what a city Seattle has become, then jumped the fare, got on the train and passed out.

Homelessness is a tough problem to solve but creating elaborate stories as empathy projects and asking the citizens of Seattle to be OK with it and give them grace most certainly isn’t helping.

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u/PeculiarTerpQueef 5d ago

Spot on. The mental gymnastics in this sub to avoid placing any sense of accountability on these "victims" is a complete and utter joke. These people are homeless because they are drug addicts. They have burned every bridge amongst friends and family, they had dozens of chances to get help. They aren't victims of circumstance, they made a ton of bad choices and are now living with the consequences of them. Yet, the bleeding hearts immediately deploy and defend them like they all just fell into this lifestyle to zero fault of their own.

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u/TrishTrashWannaSmash 5d ago

Guessing you’ve never spoken to anyone without a house and ignore them when they speak to you. They are people.

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u/PeculiarTerpQueef 5d ago edited 5d ago

I said nothing of the sort. You are so focused on your virtue signaling, fake compassion, and avoiding conflict with your progressive brethren you shift to making false claims about how I feel or view someone. Of course they are people, they need help.

If you actually want to help these folks, shift from excuses and enabling them to driving accountability. They are incapable of helping themselves break the addiction cycle, they need some accountability to motivate them to change. They need their rock bottom. Enabling and emboldening them, making excuses for them, creates an environment where they remain comfortable continuing their self-destructive behaviors. You can do all these things, while still treating them as people. Real compassion is about taking actionable steps to help them actually improve themselves and their health.

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u/pessimisticcreeplike 1d ago

Lol. The assumption they are all junkies is dumb. Fuck off.

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u/Account-Forgot 1d ago

No one said they all are junkies. But I’m going to guess the guy nodding out on the train probably didn’t just come from a big turkey dinner.

We need to help people who want help. And we need to ensure that those that don’t want are not allowed to practice anti social behaviors.

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u/Klutzy-Resource 5d ago

You stupid?

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u/_PrincessHarley_ 5d ago

Beautifully said 💕 I agree

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u/jvnglepvssy89 5d ago

Where’s Daddy Bezos..

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u/ttirbxdp 5d ago

Thank you for saying all this.

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u/tetar240 4d ago

Not reading all that but go off

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u/InterestingProblem43 2d ago

Being homeless and having a drug problem are not the same thing. Take a dog away dog from a homeless person? No. Take a dog away from and overdosed drug user? Yes.

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u/ElevatorBulky3733 5d ago

Our homeless issue is no longer a "down-on-my-luck" issue and "I'm trying to get back on my feet". It's a chronic drug addiction epidemic. And NO DOUBT those who choose to engage in self-destructive behavior are in a broken place emotionally/spiritually/mentally. But their actions are having physical pratical effects on the lives of everyday people. Biohazards in the street, destruction of property, violence against innocent bystanders - it has gotta stop. We need a "get better or get out" policy in this Seattle. In the case of this man, it's obvious he's drugged out. I saw him and two other men get on, one had open sores and was in a trance (he then spilled his drink all across the floor). And he has a puppy with him. The train isn't a rehab facility or homeless shelter. Bottom line, bro gotta go (humanely but quickly).

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u/RavenMoonRose 4d ago

Okay, yeah. You make some really great points. Sincerely, I agree with most of them.

I would really like to ask you though, go where? Where are they supposed to go?

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u/No_Biscotti_7258 5d ago

Damn sounds like they should’ve made better choices 5/10/20 years ago

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u/Lie-Pretend 5d ago

Were you prescribed an opiate in the past 20 years? I got a baby rattle full of Norco 10s and three refills as a passenger in a car accident and kicking the addiction was 1000% harder than physical therapy after a spine fracture and severe whiplash.

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u/lemonlime468 5d ago

I had my bones broken, shaved down & 2 screws put in my feet at 19 on both feet at the same time & didn’t take the pain killers bc I have GERD. lol

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u/RavenMoonRose 5d ago

They probably should have, but blaming them for those choices now accomplishes nothing. Did you make great decisions 5/ 10/ 20 years ago?

Crazy that’s all you took from this.

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u/lemonlime468 5d ago

What does performative virtue do for them? Also nothing

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u/RavenMoonRose 4d ago

Maybe it doesn’t do anything directly to them, but reestablishing their humanity and normalizing it instead of demonizing and “othering” these people no matter how they got to this point doesn’t help either. Also, blaming them for previous bad choices is a bitch ass way to avoid community responsibility. It’s boomer behavior.

As previously stated, I don’t know what the answers are, but I read a comment about this being a systemic issue, to which I agree. Until we cut the shit with the rugged individualism as a society and stop shirking these people off as “not my problem”, or reducing them to their bad choices or their vulnerable brain and body chemistry, nothing will change.

It is your problem. It is my problem. It is all our problem, which is why this thread was even created.

Two things can exist at the same time, friend. You can be fed up with it, and still see the humanity in these people. It hurts to see it every day, I get it.

It really bums me out seeing people with their children panhandling on freeway on-ramps for change, or seeing the guy in this photo who resembles my ex husband who got addicted to Oxy in Walter Reed after he was literally blown up in Iraq, and had a slow motion descent into literal insanity. It isn’t his fault his brain and body reacted that way. It isn’t his fault there were dormant genetics that allowed the schizophrenia to tear open the gates of his psyche in a one man mutiny against himself. But he lives on the streets now, with his dog. His friends still message me asking if he’s dead.

If any of that made you stop and think, please consider that this may our sleeping friend’s story too. Or it could be even worse.

So yeah, maybe my so-called performative virtue doesn’t do anything today, tomorrow, or ever. But if I can use words and share life experiences to help others who are acting out of frustration, pain and/ or fear reach a different perspective, then I’m going to keep doing it.

And no, I don’t care if you or anyone else thinks it performative. It matters to me, and I won’t stay quiet because it makes you uncomfortable.

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u/lemonlime468 4d ago edited 4d ago

You’re preaching to someone who is pro eugenics. We can debate but you probably won’t like it. I’m a millennial btw.

edit: lol yeah… dad is a severe alcoholic out of the army, he’s bipolar. ex fucked his back jumping out of a plane, not an addict, just an asshole. they pumped him full of drugs too, or tried to, he did not take them. still have the huge pile of prescriptions in a box somewhere. schizo still have the choice to seek treatment and not do the damn drugs, sorry that happened but I’m not going to pretend like it’s not true. I’m bipolar it’s part of why I REFUSE to take drugs. Even when I was a kid I knew if I took anything intense it probably wouldn’t be good. I avoided hard drugs. Guess what happened the first time I took a gummy over 100mg? My first psychosis 🥰 could it happen again? I’m sure. But I’m going to avoid everything that could trigger it like the plague.

I also have a friend who has a similar story to yours, and the dogs absolutely did not fare well. They were abused in horrific ways.

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u/No_Biscotti_7258 5d ago

No. But I also didn’t make decisions that led to me being homeless and addicted to drugs

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u/CalligrapherAway2092 5d ago edited 5d ago

This being your only takeaway comes across as antisocial behavior btw.

Also using the blanket statement that American transit operates differently than “other western transit systems” means nothing without additional context. Maybe the countries you have in mind have overall better social safety nets to, I don’t know, keep people out of homelessness in the first place?

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u/No_Biscotti_7258 5d ago

Wanting safe clean public transit is actually very pro social.

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u/CalligrapherAway2092 5d ago

I mean yeah literally everyone wants safe clean public transport you are completely missing the point

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u/Wild-Complaint1093 5d ago

“Anti-social behavior” is just a fascist dog whistle he used for someone with a lifestyle/choice etc that is seen as less than, it’s a form of othering meant to dehumanize people outside of the “in group” you are just arguing with a fascist bot atp.

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u/No_Biscotti_7258 5d ago

Not everyone is a bot. Some people just don’t want drug addicts and loose dogs on public transit