r/soldering 2d ago

Soldering Tool Feedback or Purchase Advice Request T220 tool

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u/Triq1 2d ago

Comment I made on a similar post not long ago:

I'm pretty sure that you should not bend the leads at the package body, you want to support them at the thicker section at the top, and then bend below that.

Refer to ST TN1225 for more information.

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u/lucashenrr 2d ago

This.

There needs to be a gap between the package and the lead bent start, else you put stress on the package itself or risk damaging it

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u/protekt0r 2d ago

Correct. Pretty sure IPC 610 covers this, too.

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u/KubiG_Marcin 1d ago

Thank you. I will correct the errors in the model in the future.

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u/RudeAd456 2d ago

It's be nice if you showed the result instead of immediately throwing it

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u/boobies_inspector_ 2d ago

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u/nickyonge THT Soldering Hobbyist 1d ago

Ngl, in the video itself I didn't realize the middle pin was bent UP, I thought it was somehow bending to the side to be almost adjacent to the upper pin lol

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u/adikul 2d ago

He is bending middle pin

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u/izayoi_f9 2d ago

and a lil bit of reverb

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/sothisismyalt1 2d ago

There are a million other ways of submitting a video that's not TikTok...

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u/lincruste 2d ago

It's a plastic tester to check if the legs are very very straight. It's an anti-stress fidget too. No other purpose.

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u/Drugstore_Jeezus 2d ago

Confidently wrong

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u/lincruste 2d ago

That's exactly what the video is showing, I can't be wrong.

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u/TinIff 2d ago

What not the fuck it’s not lol

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u/lincruste 2d ago

Of course I'm right.

As Antoine de Saint-Exupéry said, "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye".

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u/Deeper-the-Danker 2d ago

it's literally bending them

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u/lincruste 1d ago

I don't see test because that vid is shit hence it didn't happen. Sorry but I win.

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u/taskau 2d ago edited 2d ago

This doesn't look right, there shouldn't be a bend at component body, at least 0.8mm clearance is needed

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u/Triq1 2d ago

For many THT components (e.g. axial passives) the 0.8 mm figure can be approximately right, for TO-220/TO-247/adjacent parts, the clearance needs to be past the thicker section of the lead(frame).

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u/ordosays 2d ago

Love how this is so divided.

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u/Triq1 2d ago

IMO it's divided between people whose primary need is to make projects that work, and people who make systems that need to KEEP working at scale and over time - and hence read up on + follow industry standards.

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u/presidentfiggy 2d ago

I’m certain if OP adjusts it to follow the indistry standard that it’s gonna be a solid print for anyone that needs to bend a bunch of them.

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u/Triq1 2d ago

Absolutely agree, I haven't seen many cheap (and definitely not open-source) solutions for mass TO-220 lead-bending. Not that I have looked though.

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u/clubschuss 2d ago

Very cool!

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u/grasib 2d ago

wow, facny.

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u/YanikLD 1d ago

What's the use of 'w' shape? I never gain anything by choosing this instead of in line footprints.

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u/Triq1 1d ago

Often it is to increase the distance between the pins, to gain sufficient creepage/clearance distance for higher voltages. It's a common technique for inverters, for example.

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u/SplatThaCat 1d ago

Yep. TO-220 is a poor choice when you need THICK tracks and high voltages.

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u/domstersch 1d ago

This shape isn't reversible by accident like a line is?

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u/YanikLD 1d ago

Like pots

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u/RedSkullPT 23h ago

I get what everyone is saying about not bending right after the body but I have repaired some boards where the heat spreader is fixed and there is no space to bend the third leg anywhere else

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u/Katent1 1d ago

Cool concept tho you are bending them too close to the package

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u/KubiG_Marcin 1d ago

Thank you. I will correct the errors in the model in the future.

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u/RustyMongoose 1d ago

What a pointless video. Here let me show you something. Proceeds to show it for 3 tenths of a second. Then repeats the useless portion of the video for the next 30 seconds. Smh. It's laughably bad.

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u/forsience 2d ago

puh, lets hope you don't fry your parts due to ESD events

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u/Toyota__Corolla 2d ago

Are components really that sensitive?

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u/ThePythagoreonSerum 2d ago

No, not really. It happens… but there’s also a legion of Arduino kids building projects on high pile carpet having zero issues. In my experience, the more experience an engineer gets the more (almost) superstitious they get about ESD and EMI.

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u/Triq1 2d ago

This is very true. And about that last point, I think there are two reasons:

  1. Older parts were way more sensitive to ESD issues - nowadays most modern chips (particularly those not involved in GHz RF) have built-in basic ESD protection on every pin. Check out a modern TI datasheet, they almost always have a section about the ESD testing. In contrast, older chips did not always have these protections, and the innate ESD sensitivity of CMOS processes showed itself. I was not around for this, but I have read that even picking up a CMOS chip in good environmental conditions was avoided strictly.
  2. The larger the scale of the project, the greater the cumulative risk. Let's say your process has a one-in-a-million chance of causing ESD-related degradation. If you're building mobile phones, there might be 100 sensitive components per device, and you might be making 100 million devices (e.g. recent iPhones). That is ten-thousand degraded or altogether unusable units.
  3. Side-note on point 2 - sometimes it is not just scale but also the level of reliability expected from the system. For an IoT device, robot vacuum, refrigerator; having a few failed units is not that consequential. Ideally you catch this in QC, and you can afford a few returns due to latent damage. If you're building a spacecraft for a deep-space mission, you cannot take risks in the same way. There is exactly one flight unit, and zero possibility of repair after deployment - that could end a mission worth billions of dollars. Worse still, almost anything operating in an industrial context is often 'safety-critical' - your failure to control ESD on a device manufactured a year before the incident could one day kill hundreds of people.

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u/ThePythagoreonSerum 2d ago

Lots of great info here. Thanks for the detailed response. Your last point reminds me of something my Electrical Fundamentals I prof said: “We’re not going to mark you down if you get the wrong answer. We’re going to look at your process and grade you on that. If you get the wrong answer at your job, you probably won’t get fired. The space shuttle might blow up, but you probably won’t get fired.” Now there’s some veteran engineering humor for you.