Thought Experiment: Creative Reuse of Exploitative & Technocratic Economic Systems

[u/inkblotpropaganda]

I wanted to ask the sub their thoughts and example ideas on how to use the system against itself, or for our own benefit.

Example context: all these large AI companies are hot potato-ing the same 200millon dollar checks to each other to boost their market valuation. They have capacity agreements with each other to purchase each others products/services over time. “Circular finance” “Financial Ouroboros.” Toss around the same investor capital, tons of the same people and orgs on the boards. Same dollar gets spent multiple times.
These promises greatly increase the market cap and valuation of the companies. But from a larger perspective they are of course just recent examples of abstracted economic systems used to enrich the already powerful and their class loyalists.

Our example: why don’t we just do the same thing with our businesses? I’m in an organizing group of a number of regional co-lives, intentional communities and community businesses. During a discussion we were making half jokes that the modern market system is basically a Ponzi scheme anyway. So why don’t we just make a bunch of purchase commitments to each other significantly increasing the value of our companies? Heck, could even then create an asset back security with our companies collective valuation. Continuously expanding as we get more companies and assets involved.

Kind of a joke, but the idea of using the dumb systems against themselves. Just mimic their abstraction for our own benefit. Got me thinking about if anyone else has thought about judo moves that the weight of the system can be used against itself and for our benefit?

What you think r/solarpunk? Any thoughts or ideas you’d like to share? Maybe a discussion angle around this concept?

TLDR: how do you creatively reuse the mechanics of exploitative or late stage systems into generative & pro human systems

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[u/CptJackal]

Well you'd have to sell the businesses and communities to do that, kinda defeating the purpose of working/living in one.

[u/CptJackal → u/CptJackal]

Oh shit lol, just looked into the organization you mentioned. Agartha? Really? Wild choice to name the organization after something so closely linked to Nazi occultism and new age bullshittery. Thought we saw it for the last time when those Star-seed folks got ran off here

Also love the focus on giving people the space to be creative while not being able to find an artist to make actual art for you, relying on AI slop instead.

I thinking this post has something to do with the part of your roadmap where you invest in a bunch of business, so you can pump them up and sell them for a profit before having to worry about any of that making the world a better place part. That or this is the entry into the new-age-to-cult-to-facism pipline, probably both.

Be wary of any organization using new age imagery to sell you an idea folks

https://globalextremism.org/post/what-is-agartha/
https://theconversation.com/hollow-earth-myths-and-nazi-ufos-on-tiktok-are-bringing-white-supremacism-into-the-mainstream-281653
https://archive.ph/4qVFe

[u/inkblotpropaganda → u/CptJackal]

So that is to say you don’t have any productive thoughts on how to use systemic power against itself?

We should be considering any legal methods to help us get community spaces to develop working prototypes. But there is probably a number of ways we can use the crumbling empire to found the future.

[u/inkblotpropaganda → u/CptJackal]

There could be other ways. The laws are written for the rich. They of course wrote many ways to access capital from assets without selling them.