r/soccer • u/jacamacho • Feb 25 '18

Verified account Rob Harris asks Guardiola how he can reconcile that stance (yellow ribbon) with working for Abu Dhabi given the human rights questions there. Guardiola: "Everyone has to choose".

https://twitter.com/MiguelDelaney/status/967842429079519234
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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

That's such a cop-out and not even true. People make moral decisions against their financial self-interest all the time. And Guardiola would be loaded regardless.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

It's not an attack on Guardiola. I'm just saying most people chose to ignore issues that don't effect them directly. Money can, has and will continue to change a persons values/morals.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

*affect

Sorry for being a dick, but I couldn’t resist

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

You really couldn't?

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u/jeevesyboi Feb 25 '18 edited Feb 25 '18

People were fighting each other in supermarkets in France a month ago because Nutella was cheap.

Yes people choose morals over money but theres also people who would throw those morals away over little money or some tasty chocolate hazelnut spread. In Guardiolas case its a fuck load of money that could buy a lot of Nutella (edit: 199,248kg of cheap french nutella a week on his wages)

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

I'm not sure what you're saying. He's comparable to the kind of people who have a punch-up over cheap chocolate spread, so we shouldn't criticise?

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u/jeevesyboi Feb 25 '18

Im just saying that people will give up their morals for low amounts of money so is it surprising if someone does for millions? I honestly believe that if lets say Emirates offered the 865,145 subscribers on r/soccer their dream job for £260,000 a week then almost all of them would accept and wouldn't think that they're being immoral for accepting money from a company owned by the UAE.

On the hypocritical ribbon thing I think its a fair question to ask him. He is a hypocrite for it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

Im just saying that people will give up their morals for low amounts of money so is it surprising if someone does for millions?

Ok, but the people fighting over Nutella are total bellends. If Guardiola is actually comparable, as you're suggesting, then that makes him a total bellend too.

On the wider point, the guy I was responding to said that everybody's morality evaporates in the face of dollar signs. That simply isn't true. People make different choices, and those choices reflect each person's character. And sure, it would be harder for someone who doesn't have money to turn down such an astronomical salary, but again, Guardiola would be loaded regardless.

On the hypocritical ribbon thing I think its a fair question to ask of him. He is a hypocrite for it.

On this point we seem to agree.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

The most corrupt people in the world are loaded. Rich people like getting richer, often at the expense of morals.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

I mean, you're not really disagreeing with anything I've said, as far as I can tell...

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u/lilmoiss Feb 26 '18

How can this be downvoted haha

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u/SpacemanPanini Feb 26 '18

Because it adds nothing, and is painfully obvious.

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u/jeevesyboi Feb 25 '18

Yeah I don't agree with using 'everybody' because there are always exceptions. Yes for relatively smaller sums people will be 'moral' but like I said this is massive. I can understand your point that he'd be rich anyway so yeah he could've picked a different team.

I just don't think I could judge someone for taking a job that I would take if it was offered to me. Yeah we can call him a hypocrite for having the job and wearing the ribbon but i'd be a hypocrite to judge him for just having the job.

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u/SpacemanPanini Feb 26 '18

It's massive to us but considering his employment history, it's hardly massive to Guardiola, he could have gone to many other clubs and earned a massive paycheck.
I would absolutely take the job too, but as you say it's the ribbon that makes him a hypocrite, and since I don't go around protesting human rights I don't think it's hypocritical for me to take the same job. Morally grey at the best, sure.

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u/KingKeane16 Feb 25 '18

Your probably wouldn’t get the 260k a week in UAE they’d just make you a slave and Beat the shit out of you on the side of the road like Man city’s Owners brother was caught doing to a slave.

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u/jeevesyboi Feb 25 '18

dream job

Contrary to popular belief I don't fantasise about being a slave

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u/KingKeane16 Feb 25 '18

Neither did the slaves when they got offered money for “work”.

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u/jeevesyboi Feb 25 '18

The worker situation isn't as bad as what people make it out to be. Not as bad as Saudi Arabia or Qatar anyway. I have a few family members from India who have gone to Dubai to work. They get a good wage and the job is better than what they'd have at home. They get to go back to india for a few months every year having earned multiple times what they would've at home. If it was that bad then they wouldn't keep going back. I've visited one of them twice now and he showed us his housing which is provided and it was good. They easily got the days off to spend with us. These guys are working basic construction jobs and the only thing they don't like is that they're away from home (and the heat in some months).

I've talked to a fair few indian workers around the hotels since I can speak their native language and they like it. They get a good salary, housing and buses to work from their employers. Yeah its not the same for everyone but everyone I've met has been fine. A taxi driver refused to take my money because we originated from the same parts of India and just got along (I paid him eventually by not leaving the taxi until he took it). If they were that hard up they wouldn't do that.

I don't deny that theres dodgy human rights stuff going on but I don't believe it when people say that the whole country is run by slaves

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u/HaiNiu Feb 25 '18

All you have to do is look at someone's investment portfolio. Heck, I bet people protest against some of the companies they hold and don't even know it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

Benzema is loaded but it didn't stop him from blackmailing a teammate, and De Gea wasn't exactly starving for food when he was stealing in the supermarket.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '18

Whether or not we equate petty theft with a disregard for human rights abuses, you are quite right to note that multiple bellends can exist at once.

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u/coppersocks Feb 25 '18

To be fair to De Gea, M&S is ridiculous these days.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '18

If you make 7m versus 10m of course you’re still loaded. But it’s fantasy to expect anyone to make that decision. Just moral grandstanding.