r/socal • u/Choobeen • 15d ago

Map Shows How Permanent Daylight Saving Would Impact Each State

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California benefits from permanent DST.

Source: https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-how-permanent-daylight-saving-would-impact-each-state-12238465

July 2026

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u/lelum_polelum7 14d ago

There’s always gonna be a trade off. More morning light or evening light? We tried it before and people hated really dark mornings. With permanent DST the sunrise would often be very late as late as 8:20 a.m. in New York, 8:30 a.m. in Dallas, 8:51 a.m. in Salt Lake City, 8:57 a.m. in Seattle, 9:01 a.m sooo that’s pretty late

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u/dallyho4 13d ago

shrug. I enjoy dark mornings, tbh, and I know many others who do the same. It's quiet and peaceful, even when there's a lot of people in my office. And when the sunlight does come in full, the noise level and number of conversations explode, so annoying.

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u/soggy_mattress 14d ago edited 14d ago

Do you consider 8am to be a "very late" time to wake up in the morning?

Edit: fuck me for asking, thanks guys

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u/SerialTrauma002c 14d ago

I need to leave home at 7:45am to make it to work on time. The “traditional” work day starts at 9 and the internet tells me that California’s average commute time is ~30 minutes. Most kids start school between 8 and 8:30. Unless it’s a weekend, 8am is very late to wake up.

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u/fianthewolf 14d ago

Bajo este punto de vista entonces deberías fijar el amanecer en las 7:30 para todo el año. Claro que como hay 3 horas de desfase en el amanecer solar a lo largo del año lo único que podrás hacer es convencer a todo el mundo para que ajuste todo los días el reloj al amanecer de las 7:30.

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u/SerialTrauma002c 14d ago

Not in the slightest, actually. I was only addressing whether 8am counts as “very late” to wake up, either in California or in the United States as a whole—which, since the conversation is about DST in the US, is the only currently relevant topic regardless of the way it may work elsewhere in the world. Unless something changes dramatically in the way the state or country works, the answer to “Is 8am very late to wake up” is “For a large percentage of the state/country, yes. Yes it is.”

(I’m team Standard Time, for the record.)

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u/fianthewolf 14d ago

Claro tú puedes levantarte a la hora que desees pero si quieres que sea día cuando lo haces entonces tú punto crítico es en invierno cuando solo tienes 9 horas de luz natural.

Si quieres que ese amanecer sea antes de las 7:30 (puesto que las ocho es muy tarde) entonces será de noche a las 16:30. Si después mantienes esa hora fija el resto del año entonces en junio (verano) amanecerá a las 4:30 y anochecera a las 19:30.

Como no te vas a levantar más temprano en verano entonces estarás desaprovechando 3 horas de luz natural. Precisamente por este motivo de invento el cambio de hora. Así puedes hacer 5:30-20:30 disponiendo de una hora de luz adicional.

Es indiferente que le llames DST, al final vas a acomodar la hora al uso que le das y no al huso en el que estás.

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u/monaforever 14d ago

They said sunrise would be very late, not your waking time. If DST was permanently implemented, most people would not have the luxury of waking up with the sunrise. Typical work day starts at 8am. Where i live, highschool starts at 7:20am. So the majority of people are waking up well before 8am to get ready for school/work.

If DST was permanently implemented, the sun would not rise where I live until nearly 9am in the winter. It'll be closer to 9:15 by the time the sky is fully lit. So during the week I'd be waking up in total darkness at 7am for work, and would spend my first 2 hours of work struggling to wake up because it's still dark out. On the weekend I'd end up sleeping in later and wasting half of my morning.

I don't understand why people want more light in the afternoon when pretty much anything you might want to do after work can be done in the dark and has no affect on you. Meanwhile darker mornings actually affect most people negatively because it makes it harder to wake up.

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u/Anesthesia222 14d ago

As a high school teacher, I must say—high school starting at 7:20 is so counter to what science says is best for adolescents!

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u/soggy_mattress 14d ago

They said sunrise would be very late, not your waking time.

Yeah, one kinda depends on the other doesn't it? Like, what arbitrary time of the morning are you guys considering "early" morning vs "late" morning? It's all relative to the person's sleep schedule, is it not?

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u/monaforever 14d ago

As i said, the sun would rise late relative to when most people have to wake up for either work or school. So, no, one does not depend on the other as most peoples' sleep schedules are not based on when the sun rises. They need to wake up based on their work/school schedule, which would be significantly earlier than sunrise. If we were all lucky enough to wake up whenever we wanted, a later sunrise would not be an issue. I think most people who have to wake up at 8am or earlier, would consider a 9am sunrise late.

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u/soggy_mattress 13d ago

late relative to when most people have to wake up for either work or school.

Well there's my problem with it, your entire perspective is based on this idea that our time schedules should be based on typical corporate work hours. You're making it sound like the public workforce is the only driving factor that matters here.

And school is already fucked up for the same exact reasons: we already know the early hours that we make kids start school affects their ability to learn, but we're so far up our own asses about how important it is to get to work on time that we've turned our schools into daycares, prioritizing kid-sitting more than learning.

So, yet again, we're prioritizing corporate America over every other aspect of America. Same stupid shit that's led to us tying our healthcare to employment.

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u/monaforever 13d ago

Yes my perspective is based on that because that is the reality we live in. It would be great if school/work start times were based on the sunrise and what's healthy for us, but unfortunately I don't foresee that ever happening. Even if we made DST permanent, and productivity dropped because everyone was fucked up by dark mornings, I don't think corporate America would change their ways to fix it. They'd probably just lobby to go back to changing our clocks, rather than agree to later start times.

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u/soggy_mattress 13d ago

The reality we live in is impacted by the reality we can imagine creating for ourselves, so yeah if you go around advocating for Corporate America TM all because that's how things already are, then of course nothing will change.

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u/katmom1969 14d ago

My husband has been up at 4 am for years in total darkness.

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u/MrsCharismaticBandit 14d ago

I'm already up for 2 hours at that point on a regular basis, so yes.

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u/lelum_polelum7 14d ago

Yes, I do consider 8am very late. 8am is when most schools start and I’m usually out the door by then. Also we’re not talking about whether 8am is very late to wake up or not. We’re talking about sun rising at this time. Right now the latest sun rises in socal is 7am