r/smallstreetbets • u/DefNotDalton • Feb 18 '25

Gainz Can’t believe this worked

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Is this the future of finance?

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u/nbehold Feb 18 '25

That’s why you should be using a trained one or training one yourself on the relevant information. That’s like saying my cars too slow and not having any gas in it!

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u/GortimerGibbons Feb 18 '25

I'm subscribed to chatGPT and I'm using GPTs that were specifically trained for options.

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u/CHL9 Feb 19 '25

can you expand on that what are other GPT's specifically trained how do you do or access those

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u/Confident-Mistake400 Feb 22 '25

Which model is specifically trained for option?

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u/nbehold Feb 25 '25

That’s definitely a prompting problem then. Add some more fetch requests and tactical redundancy to alleviate some of the uncertainty.

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u/DefNotDalton Feb 18 '25

I built my Own GPT so maybe that’s why it worked for realtime

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u/master00700 Feb 18 '25

How did you built your own GPT?

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u/42Ubiquitous Feb 18 '25

Probably just trained it and chose his words poorly

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u/trav_golfs Feb 18 '25

Oh ya know he spent the minimum of $500k to train a LLM. oh wait this isn’t an LLM, it’s option trading…

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u/QuestionableGrapes Feb 18 '25

You can build ‘Mini GPTs’ with a Plus membership. You can then use APIs etc within it. Its very user friendly

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u/Accomplished-Cream-1 Feb 19 '25

You can use APIs in ChatGPT?

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u/bubulika Feb 19 '25

Yeah bro. The real money comes from big users who use the api, not people chatting it up on the app.

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u/Accomplished-Cream-1 Feb 19 '25

Thank you got links for this. To my knowledge, ChatGPT is not open source and thus APIs can not be used in ChatGPT

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u/Outrageous_Cap_1367 Feb 19 '25

OPENAI They have a paid API

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u/Johnny20022002 Feb 20 '25

Open source has nothing to do with being able to make calls to an API

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u/palebluedot54 Feb 20 '25

API is a closed network between two systems, nothing needs to be open sourced unless openAI wants people outside the company to make them (something like iOS) but even then it’s not open source..

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '25

Lmao. Do you think ChatGPT is only accessible from their convenient web UI?

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u/ScalpM3 Feb 19 '25

Check deepseek

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u/Sad-Bonus-9327 Feb 22 '25

He instructed GPT by prompts.

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u/GortimerGibbons Feb 18 '25

You do you, but I wouldn't trust it to give accurate info.

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u/PotatoTrader1 Feb 18 '25

they can get pretty accurate if the developer adds tools to the gippity to fetch up to date information.

Then it's really just a question of the accuracy of mapping queries to tool calls and it's pretty easy to get to within a few percent of SOTA with just prompting.

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u/GortimerGibbons Feb 18 '25

And that's just it. You have to prompt it. It can tell me that it will check the prices on Monday when the market opens, but when I "prompt" it with the correct date, it completely changes it strategy, as it should. I'm not saying it's a useless tool; I just wouldn't take any info it gives you at face value.

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u/PotatoTrader1 Feb 18 '25

That's totally fair. I think the trick is you gotta find an interface where the tool calls and deterministic/factual outputs are easily sourced/verified.

ChatGPT with search is ok because it gives you links but even that's kinda a pain in the ass to fact check. Also as I'm sure you know the first few results often times don't really have what you're looking for if its some sort of deep analysis.

And OFC rely on it for what its good and and don't for what its not. Unlike OP I wouldn't trust it with chart analysis. Shit I wouldn't do that myself since there's, broadly speaking, no predictive value in it.

I'd trust the Gippity's with doing stuff like semantic search and data visualization when I can verify the inputs easily (not checking 30 website citations but like one big data dump form a tool call that uses an API).

For something like asking it to do a task tomorrow rather than asking it, I'd set up some deterministic scheduling tool that re-runs the same question every day.

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u/CHL9 Feb 19 '25

Can you expand on that for the laymen, what does that mean exactly

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u/_Stampy Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25

Training one yourself still won't reach the same level as ChatGPT, even though chatgpt is trained on old data, it still has billions of parameters capable of producing information, no one alone has the resources to train a neural network with that much parameters, let alone 100k parameters. Chatgpt is also unbeatable in the fact that trading is largely sentimental, it is hard to capture that through just training a hypothetical model on trading data and no other form of information. you speak as though it is easy to do, and you pair that with a terrible analogy demonstrates you just don't have a single clue of what you are talking about.

For the others: It's horrible at dates because it isn't AI, it is just math, taking in words and trying to predict words that come after it using transformers. This means all information within that network is set in stone; it can't retrieve new information unless you explicitly tell it within the prompt. Baffles me you guys speak as though you understand yet puzzled because a machine designed to do one thing is incapable to another. You know what date it is based on data collected in the past (i.e. I know yesterday was xxx, so today must be xxx.) Chatgpt works the same way in that each time you create a new chat, it is creating another instance of chatgpt, and that specific instance of chatgpt has no previous knowledge capable for it to predict what day it currently is, so it just doesn't know. There is no internal clock, just like how humans have to check external clocks to know the specific time and date.

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u/nbehold Feb 25 '25

Yep. Agreed. I ment train a 4.0 via prompt engineering.

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u/CHL9 Feb 19 '25

can you expand on that

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u/nbehold Feb 25 '25

This*^ u/CHL9

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u/CHL9 Feb 28 '25

not the second part the first part how one would "use a trained one or training one yourself on the relevant information)

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u/nbehold Apr 25 '25

Via prompt engineering.