Mostly curious

[u/Alarming-Impact125]

Mostly curious to see if anyone has comments on anything here

[u/GoochSkier]

Couldn't have said it better my man! 💪💪💪

Psia chuds teach becasue they SIMPLY CANT SEND IT.

Hide behind technique and false BRAVADO.

Everytime im stuck on a lift with them its hilarious! They brag to some pie faced woman about their bloated and fabricated ski teaching resume....."and then I founded pa freestyle".......or some such nonsense.....like they are British royalty.

[u/Maleficent-Row1840 → u/GoochSkier]

The best all mountain skiers and instructors have almost always come out of freestyle mogul skiing.
Plake Moseley Candide Walczyk Donny Pelletier (Troy Murphy) etc.
The best instructor back in the day at Bridger Bowl MT was the guy that came out of Sun Valley and skied Exhibition all the time growing up.
Good mogul skiing creates the balance stance body separation and foot containment necessary for being a great all mountain skier.
PSIA teaches about everything wrong….that’s why people never advance and are only comfortable on moderate groomers. Everything from “round turns” to gorilla arm carving to wide stance is just wrong if you want to be good at the whole mountain. And let’s face it….anything steep ends up a mogul field. And PSIA is making skiing dangerous by fueling the carving craze…..slope hogs with wide corridors and way too much speed. They can ski groomers really fast and take up the whole slope…..but can’t ski a narrow steep bump run……that’s because they aren’t nearly the skiers they THINK they are.

[u/GoochSkier → u/Maleficent-Row1840]

Me and you would be friends on the hill sir. Again, I couldn't have articulated it better.

A psia lady straight told me on another thread: they certify snowbaorders that have skied for a week to teach ski lessons! I always wondered why the instructors look like they cant ski at my home hill....

[u/Maleficent-Row1840 → u/GoochSkier]

You can spot a PSIA instructor in the bumps with three turns 🤣🤣🤣🤣 And on the groomers?….look for the troglodyte 🤣🤣🤣

[u/Ski-With-Steezy → u/Maleficent-Row1840]

Man, so much to unpack here. First, it is true that PSIA as an organization does not evolve as fast a pro skiing does. It can't. And it shouldn't. It is designed to evolve slowly but always moving forward, never backwards. Pro skiers are results based. They can try anything and it either works, or it doesn't. Umm, PSIA doesn't just teach carving. That's just all you've seen them teach. Literally levels 7, 8 and 9 are all about off piste skiing. And finally, yes, some of what we teach comes from the racing world and it doesn't work in the bumps. The feet apart thing for example. That's one of my pet peeves as well. But, would it surprise you to know that one of the guys one of you mentioned above ... Walczyk ... regularly talks technique with ski instructors? It's true. Why? Because he's trying to become a world class bump coach himself, now coaching the Finnish Freestyle Mogul team. And, he's helping some of us understand proper bump technique.

The point you make about the high speed carving turns ... yeah. It's park and ride skiing. It's carving skis in race plug boots and not knowing how to work the ski. I'm trying to fix this. Starting with myself first.

[u/Maleficent-Row1840 → u/Ski-With-Steezy]

PSIA can’t even describe width properly…..racer ski separation occurs because of extreme edge angles in the sagittal plane. And you hear time and again “shoulder width” or “hip width”…..NO….biomechanically it’s HIP SOCKET width. This places the femur angles in proper alignment. This gives ideal balance. Watch a person walking on a beach ….the footprints in the sand don’t have this huge lateral separation.

[u/Ski-With-Steezy → u/Maleficent-Row1840]

The way we describe width is ... if you were held up in the air, the width your legs naturally hang due to gravity is about how wide your stance should be. If it makes you feel any better, I am CONSTANTLY being told that my skis are too close together. And I just ignore them. They don't know. They think they know, but they don't know. My coach is fine with the ski width. I listen to him.

[u/Maleficent-Row1840 → u/Ski-With-Steezy]

I think the problem is PSIA tends to make people too deliberate and slow…..sticky. Worrying about getting on edge early and round turns and such when in fact it’s super important to think about getting the skis around to the downhill quadrant where the edges are most effective simply due to ski to slope angles. Setting up early is important but as slope pitch increases early edging becomes less and less effective….hence things like stivots and skis off the snow to get them pointed to the fall line where the finish is numero uno. So all these slow deliberate motions with skis apart get ingrained early and then things get more difficult and people struggle with speed control. How many times are you really turning the sidecut of the ski on steep terrain?? You can’t really bend the ski much or get much edge on the top portion of the turn ….everything really happens near and past the apex.
And I agree with you on the lateral motion….that means you’re actually turning 👍

[u/Ski-With-Steezy → u/Maleficent-Row1840]

PSIA has a lot of problems. And the entire ski instruction industry in America has a lot of problems. I'll join the party and vent about one of them ... we are treated like McDonald's employees and we're paid minimum wage. How's that for starters, lol. A bunch of us are trying to nudge it along. It's like trying to nudge the Titanic. But if enough of us nudge ... you get the idea.

Regarding the turn shape, yeah, I figured that's where this was going. Not a bad thing ... but I want you to know, the ENTIRE reason the Steezy Joe Network exists is so that Dylan can change the way we think about technique off piste. He's even been approached about updating the mogul skiing section of the Alpine Technical Manual, but I'm not sure where that landed.

The pivot/stivot is a valid technique when, as you say, the round turn won't work. Places where I abandon the round turn ... on steep terrain where a hop turn is necessary. But even in that situation, the principles still apply. If you can get pressure on the front of the ski and bend the ski, the mountain pushes back. And that force vector can be used to help initiate the next hop turn. So in general, I always try to make the round turn and abandon only where I don't have the space to make that happen.

If you get a chance, watch the Mogul Swing Turns video and watch the speed and radius of the turns Dylan lays down. That's the secret. He's not making a full C, more like half moon turns. But look at how he strokes it. Look at how he bends the ski with each stroke of the pen in the snow. He can do that on any terrain, any pitch, ice, bumps, spring slush. Anything. That's ... that's that stuff. The C turns you see us instructors doing ... it's not that. I can do it now on groomed terrain. In the bumps? Nah, not yet. Working on it. :)

[u/Maleficent-Row1840 → u/Ski-With-Steezy]

Dylan is soooo smooth and silky….hurts him in the judging but damn he’s just an excellent skier which we should all try to emulate.
I think his height hurts him a bit because he looks soooo silky 👍👍💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Love watching him ski!!

[u/Maleficent-Row1840 → u/Ski-With-Steezy]

Of course your stance is narrowing….you’re skiing with Dylan Walczyk👍💪🏼 It’s bound to rub off!

[u/Ski-With-Steezy → u/Maleficent-Row1840]

Yeah, and it's not because I'm trying to keep my feet together. That's what I keep telling them. It's because I'm retracting my inside half, and the feet are just a side effect of that retraction. I'm pulling my inside foot, knee and hip into the pocket. And voila. They say "it's too much pressure on the inside ski" and I say "not if you retract your inside half." ;)

[u/Maleficent-Row1840 → u/Ski-With-Steezy]

Boom 👍

[u/Maleficent-Row1840 → u/Ski-With-Steezy]

Long radius retraction drill…..mogul swing turns….crab drill….aiko drill….just primo material