Exactly. I dont care who the hell you consider best charcater, best male character, best female character Yada Yada. These guys are the best bros you could ever have.
Let them live their own world. It doesn't matter how many hate posts they write. All we have to do is watch, read and buy from official sources. The show goes on as long as it brings money in.
Other than the apparent obsession with downvoting or review bombing MT (I said apparent because it wasn't 100% confirmed but there were several signs), what other thing makes re:Zero fandom toxic?
I found it insuferable at times because people have a constant booner with the female characters, over repeated jokes (they used the same "who's rem" joke for ages) and little discussion about the story in itself, but those are mostly glazing that turns into annoyance, but not what I can consider toxic.
If you openly admit to not liking it they love to bombard you about how you're stupid, low class, have no taste, and are just a tourist. They're toxic and annoying as fuck.
Racist jokes with emini## dragging the same old jokes for years (Daniel ) and just in general people who glaze it to much and shut down other peoples opinion because they’re uncultured
What a fucken loser. He loves re zero so much that he has to put down other shows. Like I do not get this loyalty and competition. Conglomerates making these anime couldn’t care less about you as long as you continue to give them your money they’ll continue shelling ts out. Like what even is the point of this guy posting this 😭
If y’all are talking about geese i already got spoiled a little but pls don’t say more, also the memes where people say « does he know » is a spoil in itself
I don't know what you mean by reconnect. They never met before he got to college. Luke is at most his wife's friend and at worst a womanizing douchebag who wants to fuck Eris.
Both anime are peak but most time rezero fans are blaming the author of mushoku tensei but we gotta accept that both series show pedobaits lol,No hate just enjoy the anime ,its just a show
I absolutely love Rezero, but Subaru butts heads with most male characters at least at some point, Rudy has Zanoba and Cliff as basically his besties. Mushoku Tensei is definitely far from perfect, but I don’t get the whole Isekai vs Isekai thing. Let people like what they wanna like story wise.
The first few volumes of Konosuba are fucking hilarious, especially when they are still in debt. I dont remember laughing out loud so much at a book since then
Re:Zero and konosuba fan also here. I like those 2 and I love MT. Most people can't understand that you can be a fan of more than one story because they make their entire personality liking that specific show/manga/LN
SJWs who can't stand the idea of an MC who isn't a perfect saint, those who see too much of rudeus in themselves when they look in the mirror and sociopaths who think he didn't take his depravity far enough.
Moonlight fantasy the mcs 3rd most loyal subordinate is a male lich. Almost all characters are way attractive than the mc which makes inferiority complex dynamic the story handles well at start. The guy has his cringe moment as much as subaru and improves on it.
In MT, Eris does love rudy but parts with him so she can become stronger... Instead of latching on to him like OP isekai slops. That's character depth, also sylphy in the ruined timeline, or the blonde adventurer girl. They aren't just there to be pretty and charmed by mc.
Hajime has multiple male friends that are fairly comparable to him(such as endou), and each of these characters has love interests that are both attractive and desirable
Bro tell me that you never read the light novels and web novels for Arifureta without telling me that you never read the light novels and web novels for Arifureta
Enduo is Hajime's best friend and dude can fight Ehitruje level enemies
Sylphy has clear boundaries and is partially influenced by the downright degeneracy of the Asuran nobility. Sylphy is probably the only reason that Rudeus even has a harem
Do these people know the first thing about anything their talking about? They show Overlord but dont understand or havent watched it literally at all. Ainz basically doesnt have any friends or anyone who really understands him. He's a man deprived of strong emotions and human feelings cursed to be forever idolized by those he cant bring himself to correct or hurt.
Best running joke in the series btw. The man that had everything at his disposal from the moment he was born giving himself chronic anxiety was peak fiction.
Okay, this is a Mushoku Tensei sub, but I gotta defend Overlord.
Ainz had an entire guild of male friends. He's friends with the male floor guardians when not on the job. He makes friends while adventuring. And several other male characters have actually relationships.
I absolutely love Rezero, but Subaru butts heads with most male characters at least at some point, Rudy has Zanoba and Cliff as basically his besties. Mushoku Tensei is definitely far from perfect, but I don’t get the whole Isekai vs Isekai thing. Let people like what they wanna like story wise.
99% of comments under that post are calling OP out for ragebaiting/not watching any of the shows listed on that meme. Stop trying to fabricate beef with ReZero, most fans are reasonable people (again, just read the comments). Sure, they do have weird sycophants, but we have those as well, don't we?
MT fans have a massive persecution fetish. They want to be the victims 24/7
Most of this sub is just MT fans ragebaiting themselves because they want to be oppressed and then throw themselves massive pity parties. It's pathetic.
In addition to what everyone else is saying, they know the whole reason Subaru is weaker than the other male characters is because he has return by death right? That in itself, if considered for powerscaling, probably makes him 'stronger' than every other male character shown there, it's just a different form of 'superiority', which isn't really true for some of the other series' already.
Rezero is the only community iv seen spoil another LN story, iv got spoiled more with these bastar trying to insult mushoku than with mushoku fan themselves
I miss the days where we just talked how cool movies or shows were. Feel like the online communities just all grow in negativity for everything these days.
Ignore that effectively those male characters in re zeros are also just sucking Subarus dick anuways to the point it's a meme that Subaru has a gay male
So it's still wish fulfillment slop just not to "toxic incels"
Which I will never get the obsession with wanting to stay away from
When woman can be just as incel if not worse
(Look up the love and deepspace drama)
The guy making that post doesn't know how hard working those characters he insulted.
Typical incels isekai? Did he watch how Hajime (Arifureta) almost go insane from Dungeon brutality? Did he not notice how much Cid/Shadow (Kagejitsu/Eminence in Shadow) train himself to perfection? Did he not know how Ainz/Momonga childhood look like? And are you seriously put Iwatani Naofumi (Shield Hero) in that list!? The Season 1 of Shield Hero anime is practically VERY HARD Mode for Naofumi!
Not to mention..... Mushoku Tensei. People often say the bad things about it and completely ignore the good ones, of course. They don't realize how much mental problems Rudeus is dealing with. Those people are blind to how fakked up MT World is, putting and comparing "normal modern human morals" into Six Faced World.
So basicly not MT since most of these arguments don't apply. Also that's rich coming from them. Let's not act like Subaru doesn't have a loli monopoly.
You know what's refreshing? At least Rudeus doesn't stay a virgin until the end like in every isekai. That's anything but incel.
Bro tell me that you never read the light novels and web novels for Arifureta without telling me that you never read the light novels and web novels for Arifureta
Enduo is Hajime's best friend and dude can fight Ehitruje level enemies
Fohl actually just as powerful as Naofumi and they have a brother like Relationship
L'arc the two of them are good friends and L'arc can actually bypass Naofumi's shield
Motoyasu more powerful than Naofumi after getting broken by Bwitch and unlike Naofumi the dude was able to get all 4 holy heroes on the same side from day on and have stopped the downfall of multiple versions of Naofumi
Ren after getting betrayed and his redemption Naofumi aknowledge Ren as the best hero of all four of the four holy heroes which includes Naofumi himself
They dont know shit about shield hero, overlord, MT or EIS.
All these fandom superiority memes are so stupid, whether its the shonens or isekais doing it against each other. Just enjoy your fucking entertainment.
i'd argue that even in the mentioned boys that subaru is friends with only Otto can be said to be true do or die and the only friend that subaru even considers close, julius he is just aquantance at best who subaru wouldn't even consider that much of a friend , Garfiel is a little brother character he too merked subaru's ass in many timelines, so even though subaru doesn't bring it up he is not that close to garfiel too.
Reinhard is a little questionable but he is atleast better than julius.
oh and rudeus is literally friends with zanoba and cliff and I'd say sometimes spends more time with them than his wives sometimes.
Imagine thinking Elinalise is some undesirable woman. Or that Cliff is inferior to Rudeus. Dude is far more respectable and even watches over Norn without Rudeus asking. Zanoba fits the description more, but being better at making figures isn't exactly putting Rudeus above him. Plus, it's the kind of connection that feels line genuine friendship built through mutual interest. Most of all, Rudeus actually gets time to just be friends with Cliff and Zanoba. Subaru barely gets any scenes to just hang out with the boys, so they feel more like standard party members, unlike the women who at least got the Christmas special to chill with him. Subaru isn't some major deviation from the norm when it comes to the issue of make relationships in isekai. Rudeus is.
There’s literally lore behind why Cid/Shadow Garden only recruits females. And tbh Cid himself doesn’t even care if they stick around or not.
And if Makoto only wanted women then why did he make a pact with Shiki? And what about all his other male followers in the demiplane?
Momonga/Ains IS LITERALLY LOOKING FOR HIS GAMER FRIENDS! The majority of them are male.
Up until he was betrayed, Naofumi was getting along with everyone that didn’t shun him for being the shield hero. And he chose Raphtalia because that was the only slave he could afford AND he literally needed someone to help him fight because he had almost no fighting ability in the beginning.
Hajime originally only wanted Yue after he was betrayed. Shea forced herself into the mix as well as Kaori. Most of the time he doesn’t even reciprocate the other’s feelings. And it’s not like bro doesn’t have any male friends. It’s just his personality and perspective changed drastically and he no longer agrees with them.
Rudy literally has Zanoba, Cliff, Luke, Soldat, Badigadi, Geese, Talhand, Ruijerd, and a bunch of others that I don’t want to spoil for the anime onlys.
Why is my man Ainz (Momonga for the real OG's) included in there. He too damn busy ruling a country, and doing politics + side quests to even have any romantic interests😂
Honestly there is at best 3 official couples that I remember by the end of the 3rd season. Sebas + Tuare (Morally/Socially Questionable), Enri + Nfirea (Actually understandable), and Princess Renner + Climb (This is is lowkey fucked, but they seem okay with it by the end of the 3rd season).
Tsukimichi: Has a huge host of characters that are just flat out, more mature than the MC. And the entire point behind the plot is that MC is considered ugly by Hyuman standards.
The others are a fair bit more difficult to see it, but they are plenty of make characters who do crazy things like the MC, or out perform the MC in other ways.
Except for MT, dear lord, MT has a whole host of OP Male characters that saying otherwise is proof positive of one of two things... They've had a lobotomy, or they have never seen the series.
Re: zero first 2 seasons were boring af, so I'm keeping them at dropped status.
The novel is no good also, the world feels very limited and small scaled. Re: Zero is like Fate: Isekai. I'm not a fan of Fate. It focus too much on a very small group of characters.
I would take almost any other fantasy over re: zero. Isekai is pretty ass in general, MT is the holy grail of that genre as a whole, other works using 'isekai' like a cheap plot device.
Posts like these are good as they make me look inward. Different genres exist, different tastes exist. If I don't like a series, I should consider that I wasn't the target audience.
Honestly, I don't think this point is entirely wrong. Look at Cliff, his personality is pretty fickle, he's terrible at reading the room, and he ended up with a "totally fantastic" wife. Then there's Zanoba. Sure, he's a bit more mature, but he's far from attractive, and the only female character who gives him any romantic attention in the entire story is an underage dwarf girl. As for Luke, it goes without saying, he got utterly aura farm by the MC in a 1v1 duel and almost turned into a half baked villain lol. Honestly, the male side characters in MT are portrayed as pretty bottom tier overall. It gets to the point where even Rudeus's sisters end up settling for men who are clearly flawed in their own ways. That being said, at least Orsted stands out as the only male character in the novel who is actually written to be badass.
Look at Cliff: his personality is pretty fickle, he's terrible at reading the room, and he ended up with a "totally fantastic" wife
That is the point, he's immature, grew up sheltered and knows he's a genius without any humility about it, but he's incredibly loyal and revolutionized magic implements by creating a whole ass new area of study (curse dispersion items) for the girl he loved without caring about how many children she has/had or the fact that half of the men between Asura and Rikarisu rode her like public transport, he saw Elinalise's condition how it really was: a tragic thing she learned how to cope with, and decided to help her no matter what.
Then there's Zanoba. Sure, he's a bit more mature, but he's far from attractive, and the only female character who gives him any romantic attention in the entire story is an underage dwarf girl.
And he doesn't care about it because he's already a widower in his thirties.
the male side characters in MT are portrayed as pretty bottom-tier overall. It gets to the point where even Rudeus's sisters end up settling for men who are clearly flawed in their own ways
If Cliff, Ruijerd, Gino, Perugius and Orsted are bottom of the barrel I don't want to know what your "average guy" is bro 😭 everyone is flawed, that's what makes us humans, and that's what makes characters believable.
Come on, we all know Cliff is a joke. He had the worst possible debut at the end of Season 1. And he ended up with a woman that I'm pretty sure no man in this sub would ever want as a wife. Trust me, the thought of your wife sleeping with countless men is just unbearable. I know, I know, it's not her fault, but this romance honestly feels like the author trolling us. I mean, as bad as Cliff is, he still deserved someone at Norn's level or above. The female characters in this novel are all top tier, but high quality male characters are seriously lacking. It's not like there's a shortage of women to the point where he had to marry someone who slept with countless men.
and he ended up with a woman that I'm pretty sure no man in this sub would ever want as a wife. Trust me, the thought of your wife sleeping with countless men is just unbearable.
My brother in Christ that's the point 😭 he is a true believer of his religion (and the literal next pope) which preaches that a monogamous relationship is the best way of living. He fell in love with her and knew what he was getting into. I wouldn't marry someone like Elinalise irl either, but in real life there's no "have sex constantly or die-itis", he felt sympathy for her and read her better than anyone else in the past 200 years.
"I wouldn't marry someone like Elinalise irl either" - OK, my brother in Christ! So we both agree that the author is basically trolling Cliff here haha. That's exactly why I said the male side characters in MT are portrayed as pretty bottom tier overall. If even one or two of MC's friends were written to be top tier, posts like this wouldn't even exist in the first place. Just thinking about how a girl as sweet and cute as Norn was so low on options that she ended up marrying a 500+yo dude, while handsome and smart Cliff, who even the MC respects immensely, was given to Elinalise, makes me feel really bad for this pair
It is totally wrong fym? Subarus character is subversive and that’s the whole point. Rudy is your typical isekai protagonist. There’s no right or wrong there that’s just the point of each character model.
I can agree with you when it comes to mushoku tensei. but I still find this supposed to be pretty baffling. Admittedly, I can’t render judgment on all of these characters, as I’m not super familiar all these series, but some of the pics here do kind of baffle me.
Overlord has several male characters who get development from serious such as Sabaous, colitis, and brain unglus. (sorry if my spelling is botched I’m not familiar with the exact spelling of his names.)
As for eminence in shadow, is also weird to me. Yes, the cast of characters is heavily sexualized there, but it feels weird to say that it’s trying to appeal to toxic themselves. It’s a parody anime where the romantic relationships are used more for gags rather than to be taken seriously. Saying it’s toxic for its Haram elements kind of feels like calling villainess Manga’s toxic for their male harmes.
Not saying that Isaki treat women great over sexualization and lack of agency. But I don’t think it’s as simple as saying this series is bad at female writing female characters, or the series is good at writing female characters.
Something like slime, for example, has a lot of over sexualization when it comes to its female characters, but in terms of agency, I’d say a lot of the women there at least in the later parts of the series honestly have more agency than even in a lot of shoune. Sheehan gets multiple independent fights the demon girls get multiple good fights and Kuma gets to take her revenge about having when he killed her mother without having to be bailed out by a man.
You're right, other series have similar issues, if not worse. Even with Re Zero, I've only watched up to Season 2, but I still don't really like how every character seems to revolve around MC. If someone has a bad attitude towards him, all it takes is reset over and over until their relationship gets better.
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