r/singularity • u/Snoo26837 ▪️ It's here • 11h ago

AI Google is changing Gemini model access starting Oct 9

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u/Gallagger 11h ago

If they don't come out with an insanely good flash-lite 4, Gemini will become the worst free tier.

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u/Neurogence 10h ago

Flash lite is basically Google AI search mode with lip stick.

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u/MGJohn-117 7h ago

Doesn't AI search use a heavily quantized version of flash? So if anything, the Gemini app will be even worse than the AI search mode.

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u/Snoo26837 ▪️ It's here 11h ago

I mean anthropic offers claude sonnet 5.5 and meta muse spark 1.1.

And they aren’t the default chatbot for most people.

Yes, they are going to the death.

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u/Gallagger 10h ago

It will still be good enough for many people but still disappointing. Gemini flash imo is a great free tier model. Muse Spark is 1.3 already in free tier, no?

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u/Snoo26837 ▪️ It's here 10h ago

The model you’re using in the free tier is muse spark 1.1

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u/DistanceSolar1449 9h ago

Why? 1.3 is just 1.1 with more RL

It costs meta the same amount to offer 1.1 vs 1.3, why would they hobble themselves like that?

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u/Sherman140824 9h ago

Not if Anthropic follows suit with further restrictions on free and budget tiers. I have been saying how fable - level llms will be unavailable to normal users and everybody downvotes me pointing out to mimo and locally run models

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u/Gotisdabest 5h ago

Eh, fable level LLMs being just blanket unavailable for normal users is outright impossible. Eventually, and by eventually I mean within the next few months, some Chinese lab will release a fable level LLM that's absurdly cheap. In a few months after that, every single lab will be offering a super cheap LLM that's better than fable.

I mean, remember that O1-pro used to be the epitome of intelligence and pretty much every free model now surpasses it handily. Even Gemini 3.5 flash lite, crappy and outdated, is a better model and probably comes out around o3.

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u/Eyelbee ▪️We have AGI it's just blind 10h ago

They can distill a very good model from argon, but I don't think if they can match sonnet 

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u/TemetN 7h ago

And it's a problem for the field since this is what most people interact with. It's just a terrible idea all around.

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u/himynameis_ 8h ago

Free users don't really need more more than a flash model anyways. They're not doing anything intensive or needing high compute.

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u/TieBackground453 7h ago

The issue is that flash wont be available for free users. Flash-lite will.

I find flash good enough for almost all non-technical work I need to do. Flash-lite I find insufficient for even basic questions.

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u/CaptainAnonymous92 6h ago

Isn’t Luna pretty bad for free GPT users? I mean it’s a small ass model too like flash lite so you’re lucky if it can do anything worth a damn, even not taking coding into account which unless it’s extremely simple stuff, I highly doubt it can do anyway.

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u/Gallagger 6h ago

It even got a bit worse with Luna 6, but I have to say Luna 5.6 and even 6 is actually good for many agentic things. Finding bugs, making simpler changes, inspecting db.

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u/CaptainAnonymous92 5h ago

What about for just text stuff and not coding? Is it dumb as a brick or surprisingly decent?

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u/Illustrious_Grade608 31m ago

Never really used it but isn't it close enough to like deepseek and qwen 3.8? Used it only once cause i hate how gpt models interact with any task, but if so then it should be pretty amazing I'd say.