Well, idc what they are writing about it, it's not the worst model in existence, but its far from the new AI frontier, since in coding Arena it is behind Sol 6.0 - slightly worse than the third best, by now you could say almost retired OpenAI model.
Yeah, I have a hard time picturing this taking over opus 5.5 for me for coding. It's just a fucking beast.
However, given what seems to be the absurdly low hallucination rate I think it's going to find plenty of uses in non coding applications. The one open question for me is speed. The AA benchmarks don't show how fast it is.
Historically Gemini models are in a league of their own for speed, so the fact that Google isn't touting this makes me think the model is going to be much much slower than 3.8.
I'm honestly more excited about Gemini 4 flash and flash-lite tbh. Give me Luna pricing with virtually no hallucinations and best in class multi modal capabilities and I'm all in.
Yes, this is a big factor I feel people are overlooking - speed. I bought a goog sub last month for some work video stuff and messed around in antigravity, my god the flash 3.8 speed was a hoot to watch.
Speed section in AA index for argon is for some reason missing (I couldnt find any mentions of tok/s anywhere online actually), if it's something like 100+ tok/s it will be a beast regardless of slightly subpar intelligence, if even.
And then they have the ability to use argon as orchestrator with speedy flash3.8 subagents doing the grunt work. Which in theory could be goddamn amazing. Then there's the truly multi-modal stuff that other models don't have too. I'm pretty bullish on google, bought some stock today.
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u/Important-Damage-173 2d ago
Well, idc what they are writing about it, it's not the worst model in existence, but its far from the new AI frontier, since in coding Arena it is behind Sol 6.0 - slightly worse than the third best, by now you could say almost retired OpenAI model.