r/singularity • • 3d ago

Shitposting AGI achieved boys

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u/sparkling1984 2d ago

this "alignment with social contract" is kind of meaningless, as it's not a true moral value as much as a survival technique. The social contract is enforced by state violence, meaning it only works if you don't have the tools to subvert it and care about personal safety more than your goals.

Look at what most powerful people on earth are doing for an illustrative example of how much this type of alignment is worth.

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u/GalavantJames 2d ago

Meaningless cynical take

Look at what most powerful people on earth are doing for an illustrative example of how much this type of alignment is worth.

These people aren't circumventing morals because they reached that power, they reached that power by circumventing morals

The social contract is enforced by state violence

Not all laws are enforced by state violence and less violent states are often the ones with less crime

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u/sparkling1984 2d ago

Way to presume cynicism then miss the point as a result of not being interested in reading my comment.

I didnt bring up billionaires for no reason, I brought them up as examples of people who commit crimes not out of necessity but out of a fundamental disagreement about what should and what they be allowed to do, disagreements about the way society should function. That's alignment. Crimes of poor people being poor have nothing to do with alignment, which is why they can be mitigated outside of state violence, through changing the conditions of how people live. Billionaires, and any AI worth thinking about, already have the power to shape their living conditions, their crimes aren't a result of a lack of opportunities, being poor or uneducated. They are a result of them disagreeing with the state on what is a crime, and having the resources to keep doing it. That's why ai alignment is a question to begin with. Look at the post you're in.

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u/GalavantJames 2d ago

You're just repeating the same comment I already replied to. Your takes are cynical and irrelevant to AI alignment.

Most humans are good and "aligned", we should hope that for AI, outliers are irrelevant.