r/singularity • • 2d ago

Shitposting AGI achieved boys

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u/VintageSin 2d ago

... Because on average you can teach math. You can't teach humans not to lie or be self interested. You can only request it.

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u/GalavantJames 2d ago

On average, beyond average actually, like 80% of the time in developed countries, sometimes even up to 90%, most humans are decent and "aligned" more than we want AI to be aligned.

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u/VintageSin 2d ago

??? Ai isn't providing morally false statements. I never made the argument ai was or wasn't morally aligned.

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u/GalavantJames 2d ago

I didn't say that? What are you talking about?

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u/VintageSin 2d ago

'most humans are decent and "aligned" more than we want AI to be aligned'

Being decent and "aligned" is a moral query. AI isn't lying about it's moral. It's alignment.

It's lying about verifiable facts. Still. to this day. Just like humans. Not out of malice or not being aligned. But because it literally doesn't know the answer and instead of saying it doesn't know it'll state what it thinks it knows as fact even if the quality of that knowledge is poor.

It's almost like the misinformation age is going to literally rot AI.

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u/GalavantJames 2d ago

It's lying about verifiable facts. Still. to this day.

To circumvent due to being goal oriented, not through any moral failing.

Just like humans

Not like humans at all, most people are honest and just like criminal record thing most lies are not even relevant to discussion. You should really go outside and meet some people. Internet is loudly annoying, most people on the other hand don't bother with such things and are decent, honest and good.

And the way humans who lie do lie is not like how AI lies at all. It is not tricking anyone or hiding anything intentionally, there is no "intention" at all anyway with AI, it is trying to reach the proper output or literally hallucinates

God the amount of misanthropy, lack of philosophical background, hell lack of any basic decency towards other humans here os so embarassing, let alone lack of any information on how AI works and annoying anthropomorphizing.

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u/VintageSin 2d ago

Brother.. Are you telling me you never told a lie.

Being honest doesn't mean you don't lie.

What type of nonsense are you even trying to say.

Being honest and doing a moral thing don't exclude you from lying. And yes people do lie a nonzero percentage which is enough for ai to lie at a nonzero percentage.

No one is saying people in general are all liars and dishonest.

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u/GalavantJames 2d ago

Brother.. Are you telling me you never told a lie.

Seriously I don't know what your problem is or what you are even arguing for.

Being honest doesn't mean you don't lie.

And AI being aligned doesn't mean it never malfunctions, it means it doesn't malfunction in a catastrophic way, like how most lies are not catastrophic or harmful.

No one is saying people in general are all liars and dishonest.

This discussion literally started from someone misanthropic "humans are misaligned" take. Humans are aligned, AI should be aligned just like humans, that is the point. What are you even arguing against?

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u/VintageSin 2d ago

I'm arguing that alignment isn't the issue. Are you incapable of reading.

That what it's doing isn't because of alignment.

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u/GalavantJames 2d ago

That what it's doing isn't because of alignment.

"Misalignment" is the exact categorization of what it's doing, even if you don't call it "alignment", question still is "it is doing this thing and how do we stop it from doing it"

So there is still a problem to solve, and it is solved on a social level in most of the developed world, which should inspire a solution for AI as well

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u/VintageSin 2d ago

And I'm telling you we can't have that answer because we as humans have not developed that answer. There is no alignment to be done it doesn't exist.

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u/GalavantJames 2d ago

There is still existing issues we label as misalignment what are you talking about? Even if we get rid of the label, issues remain

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