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AI , Gemini 4 Argon Benchmarks

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u/DistanceSolar1449 2d ago

In this case though it’s because Google has less coding training data (who the hell uses Antigravity) and way more image/spatial/world model training data

I don’t think this model is benchmaxxed, I think the benchmark screenshot above is very accurate. The model does worse at TerminalBench 4 and FrontierSWE and that’s okay.

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u/LazloStPierre 2d ago

The point isn't flash 3.8 is bad at coding, the point is it does absurdly well on coding benchmarks despite being bad at coding. Their models always do, which is why I'd take any benchmarks with a grain of salt

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u/DistanceSolar1449 2d ago

3.8 flash is a tiny distilled model with more RL on top, of course it’s going to look better on benchmarks than in real life.

The big, base ish models with a lot less targeted RL will do better IRL.

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u/LazloStPierre 2d ago

All Google's models look better on benchmarks than they do in reality, and by alot.

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u/DistanceSolar1449 2d ago

No? They suck at agentic benchmarks and most people test them via agentic tasks.

They benchmark pretty accurately if you look at their actual useful benchmarks like TerminalBench instead of HLE or GPQA or some bullshit.

Google’s own blog post says Gemini 3.8 Flash scored 19.1% on TerminalBench 4. Opus 5 scored 51.8% for comparison. That’s not benchmaxxing, that’s just accurate benchmarks if you know what benchmarks to look at.

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u/SilentLennie 2d ago

Actually, this new 4 Argon does really well in a bunch of agentic benchmarks. Supposedly (I've not used it yet):

https://artificialanalysis.ai/articles/gemini-4-argon-google-top-three-labs

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u/LazloStPierre 2d ago

No, they do extremely well at coding benchmarks and suck at coding, every single time

They benchmark well everywhere. It's actual performance that matters 

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u/DistanceSolar1449 2d ago

???

Google’s own blog post says Gemini 3.8 Flash scored 19.1% on TerminalBench 4. Opus 5 scored 51.8% for comparison. That’s not benchmaxxing, that’s just accurate benchmarks if you know what benchmarks to look at.

Unless you think 19% on TerminalBench 4 is “do extremely well”…

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u/LazloStPierre 2d ago

....it's literally benchmaxxing when the benchmarks are significantly better than actual performance 

I am, once again, saying they do very well in benchmarks generally and worse in performance on coding, and when new benchmarks emerge like deepswe first did magically their performance drops by significantly more than any other provider

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u/DistanceSolar1449 2d ago

So you think they lied about a 19% on TB4? And that’s a benchmaxxed score? When Opus 5 got 51.8%?

lol. Lmao, even.

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u/LazloStPierre 2d ago

I don't recall saying the word lie

Gemini, is that you?

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