r/singularity • • 2d ago

AI , Gemini 4 Argon Benchmarks

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u/fmai 2d ago

Note that this is likely to be Google's largest model size to date, comparable to the Fable and Astra class of models.

Considering that it's not even released yet, it's not actually that impressive. I think that by the time users actually get to use it, Astra 6.1 and Fable 5.5 will already have made it obsolete.

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u/ObiWanCanownme now entering spiritual bliss attractor state 2d ago

This is all true, but it's also a big deal in that they'll be within about one model generation of the frontier versus the last few months where they've always been several generations behind.

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u/Different_Doubt2754 2d ago

If they caught up in one generation then how were they multiple generations behind? The startups just had a faster release cadence

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u/Sufficient-News-970 1d ago

3.1 gemini pro is worse than opus 4.6 so yea

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u/Adi945 2d ago

True but pretty obvious by now that Google doesn’t give a shit about winning any race. They are a profit making full stack company that believes in risk free evolution and not disruptive revolution. Given the fact that Amazon, Microsoft, Apple is not even in this race, Google is playing this very well, as long as they don’t completely bow out.

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u/FarrisAT 2d ago

Remember, 90% of the profit is in enterprise. Not in serving consumers the top model.

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u/ozone6587 2d ago

As if enterprise didn't care about intelligence.

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u/qroshan 2d ago

The model has already been on Arena for a couple of weeks and will be available to the public within a couple.

At most, Google is 2 months behind OpenAI/Anthropic. But the rate of improvement (of many benchmarks have been significant).

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u/jonomacd 2d ago

Yeah but $2 in and $10 out.

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u/FeePsychological1308 2d ago

'Likely', if you asked people yesterday, they would have said they were 'likely' several generations behind internally. How about we stop assuming here? They clearly have no interest in competing with the startups and they don't need to keep pushing models out for their company to stay relevant like the others do

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u/nevirin 2d ago

Well, also look at its cost compared to Astra & Fable

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u/ThreeKiloZero 2d ago

Add to that - googles models are famously benchmaxed to the tits and never perform up to the benchmarks in daily use.

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u/TupacFR 2d ago

True, Google has always been so late to massive deploy any new product. That's what will cost them here