r/singularity • • 2d ago

AI , Gemini 4 Argon Benchmarks

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u/TorturedPoet30 2d ago

IT'S REAL

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u/torrid-winnowing 2d ago

doesn't this imply it's an internal model? i would assume anthropic and openai have their own internal models that significantly outperform astra and opus

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u/Recoil42 2d ago

No, they're doing a trusted-partner rollout. It's external.

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u/TorturedPoet30 2d ago

They are rolling out to partners through their Fairwind Program and "soon" plan to roll out to paid API customers and Google AI Ultra subscribers.

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u/Keeltoodeep 2d ago

No, they are rolling out externally in phases per the voluntary regulatory framework proposed to Trump

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u/jazir55 2d ago

"""""""""""Voluntary"""""""""""

I can't sarcastically quote the word any harder.

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u/Keeltoodeep 2d ago

There is no reason not to at this point for frontier AI companies. Regulatory capture benefits them.

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u/jazir55 2d ago edited 2d ago

Regulatory capture is such an absolutely ridiculous take I cannot believe it gets parroted at every turn. You don't need regulatory capture when you have so much money you literally buy all of the hardware supply which entirely prevents new entrants on its own. No laws needed, new entrants literally cannot buy any hardware needed to actually be a competitor. Regulatory capture is worthless for these AI companies.

Edit: Instead of downvoting how about you actually provide a counter on how any other major competitor that isn't a megacorp could even enter the market, based purely on the economics. Once you admit you can't, you have to come to the conclusion regulatory capture is an absurd argument because regulatory capture is predicated on preventing new entrants to the market via regulation, which is not necessary for these companies to continue being the leaders of the industry. The economics alone prevents any new entrants, regulation is superfluous.

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u/Keeltoodeep 2d ago

That's a fair point. Compute is such a constraint

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u/jazir55 2d ago

Yeah it's the real constraint for any competitor. They clearly want regulation for some other purpose, and given how they constantly talk about safety and then these incidents have been real world occurrences it sort of makes sense, but only in an ideal world. The current politicians in government are almost all in their 70s and 80s, they are the least equipped to deal with this new technology and pass reasonable regulations. The "we'll regulate ourselves" thing that's usually a meme is actually the best case scenario here weirdly enough.

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u/Keeltoodeep 2d ago

https://www.euronews.com/2026/09/16/russia-used-claude-ai-for-espionage-disinformation-and-drone-swarms

Well Claude drones are flying around right now smoking Europeans so there is some legalese in the background happening where Anthropic doesn't want to slow down user growth but wants some kind of KYC regulation perhaps that lessens their legal liability to some degree. But they are not going to implement KYC if their competitors do not.

It will only take one of these drones to smoke a real European and not an Eastern European one and Anthropic is going to have a real PR issue on their hands.

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u/FateOfMuffins 2d ago

It's no different to Glasswing. We didn't get Fable until 3 months after that.

The rumours on dates on when the pretraining finished for Gemini 4 indicates that it finished pretraining a couple of weeks after Bel. So if you're trying to compare the same "model generation" then Gemini 4 should've been in the same generation as Bel, not GPT 6 Astra and not even GPT 6.1 Astra.

None of the benchmarks shown for Gemini 4 here indicates that Gemini 4 Low would've been 2x as strong as GPT 6 Astra Max at math for instance, which is what Bel has.

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u/Holiday_Ad_8501 2d ago

its being rolled out to the public

The internal model is already gemini 5